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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 11:55:32 GMT
Again though Ade Edmondson can be accused of exactly the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 12:04:01 GMT
Again though Ade Edmondson can be accused of exactly the same thing. What if Liam Nesson had done it on the set of Schindler's List? Last time I checked, the professional film and TV industry wasn't the porn industry. Regardless of whether he was making Doctor Who or not, Barrowman should not have done it. It's not even funny anyway. "Oh look at my big fat cheese flavoured cock. Watch it go round and round, lads!" He's like a high school kid in the school's changing room. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 12:20:09 GMT
Again though Ade Edmondson can be accused of exactly the same thing. What if Liam Nesson had done it on the set of Schindler's List? Last time I checked, the professional film and TV industry wasn't the porn industry. Regardless of whether he was making Doctor Who or not, Barrowman should not have done it. It's not even funny anyway. "Oh look at my big fat cheese flavoured cock. Watch it go round and round, lads!" He's like a high school kid in the school's changing room. Well again I'm not going to say he should have done it, as he really, really, REALLY f*cking shouldn't. However that is a bit of a false comparison. John was playing a heavily sexualized character who got naked regularly and it was only during those scenes that he did it. He was also egged on by his castmates and the crew who DID all think it was funny, and created that kind of atmosphere. Again not the same as Liam Neeson randomly getting his cock out. Look at other actors who have got naked meanwhile and you will find similar stories. On the set of X-Men 2, there is a scene where Wolverine has to run around naked, and the actresses on set all played a joke at Hugh Jackman's expense. (This includes Big Fam.) They all unexpectedly appeared at the end of one of the corridors he was running down that he thought would be empty and stood there cat calling him and throwing money at him! Also again like I said Ade Edmondson, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Rik Mayall, David Boreanaz, Patrick Troughton, Roger Moore all did exactly what John did. In some cases when they weren't doing love scenes. They were just trying to make their co-stars corpse or have a laugh. Also why is Colin's just seen as a laugh? He was a straight man doing it to a gorgeous woman who was lower in the cast than him? Again obviously Colin didn't have any bad intentions and he and Nicola are friends and she played pranks back on him, but still, if we took it out of context it could look just as bad. To be honest I've always felt that practical jokes were f*cking tedious, obnoxious, and a form of bullying overall that you get pressured into finding funny. It always annoyed me when actors would go on about practical jokes as though they were so wonderful. Colin Baker went on about how funny it was when the crew put a fake spider in his lunch box (because he is arachnophobic.) If that had been me I'd have gone f*cking crazy LOL. I'd ban all forms of practical jokes if I ran a set. I wouldn't give a shit if it made me seem like a tyrant to some. Whenever practical jokes happen there will usually be someone who doesn't like them and gets bullied into finding them funny. That's who I'd care about more than the ego of some actors feeling clever by playing a prank on someone. People used to make out that Bela Lugosi was difficult because he hated practical jokes and would go mental if someone did them to him, but in light of what other actors do, he sounds the most sane and down to earth! Still again to single out Barrowman from all of these people and to call him a sexual abuser I think is a step too far. Who knows maybe he is in real life. Maybe like Alison Mack it will be discovered Barrowman runs a sex cult, but ultimately I think people are taking it too far, though I admit the extent at which the extras felt uncomfortable should never be downplayed too, but again that comes back to the cliquey atmosphere on set. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 12:28:10 GMT
He isn't a sex abuser or predator. I'm definitely not calling him that. He's engaging in sexually inappropriate though. Imagine starting your first day at work on set and being incredibly excited only to open the door and find Barrowman with his cock out. I can't imagine how deflated one would be, thinking you were actually going to be working on a professional set with respected actors only to find it's a pervert convention instead.
And yes, Colin was wrong too. For many reasons, but I also think taking advantage of a young actress who had only appeared in two stories prior to that production was bad of him and it shows the kindness of Nicola to forgive him so soon.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 12:36:57 GMT
He isn't a sex abuser or predator. I'm definitely not calling him that. He's engaging in sexually inappropriate though. Imagine starting your first day at work on set and being incredibly excited only to open the door and find Barrowman with his cock out. I can't imagine how deflated one would be, thinking you were actually going to be working on a professional set with respected actors only to find it's a pervert convention instead. And yes, Colin was wrong too. For many reasons, but I also think taking advantage of a young actress who had only appeared in two stories prior to that production was bad of him and it shows the kindness of Nicola to forgive him so soon. Well I wasn't just talking about you per say, it's more fandom in general who have made him persona non grata. All the be kind fans send John messages daily telling him he should be in prison, Big Finish have blacklisted him, the Mary Sue write articles calling him an abuser, there are fans who refuse to watch anything he was ever in now. You'd think he was Gary Glitter! Even Yak in this thread called him an outright sex pest. Again though I understand this being a sore spot for Yak due to his awful experiences and I don't want to as you say downplay what the extras went through having to watch it descend into a stupid boys only club in front of them when they thought it could have been a good job. Things need to change in general on sets and even in offices in terms of power structures, cliques and practical jokes. Meanwhile again I don't see it as Colin taking advantage of her as there was no interest there, it was more just an attempt to ironically welcome her by playing a joke as that is what they tend to do to newcomers. Same thing happened to Colin himself with the spider gag, so he probably was just desperate to do the same thing. Again it's a stupid, stupid, stupid tradition, and one that can lead to bullying. It's fine if it's people like Nicola and Colin who love those kinds of jokes and enjoy playing them in response, but for people who not only might get upset or feel uncomfortable, but are then pressured into trying to do a prank in response (that's apparently the way it's not bullying) and just might not have the heart and then get made fun of for not doing as good a prank etc and made to look stupid. It's an awful, awful, awful tradition, but one that lots of people do on sets so IMO best not to single out just one person. Ironically that will stop it from ending in general as then like I said Barrowman can become a useful sacrificial lamb, rather than exploring the atmosphere on sets that lead to that. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jan 3, 2024 12:45:00 GMT
Well again I'm not going to say he should have done it, as he really, really, REALLY f*cking shouldn't. However that is a bit of a false comparison. John was playing a heavily sexualized character who got naked regularly and it was only during those scenes that he did it. Hang on- is John Barrowman therefore a method actor? And didn’t he use his penis (according to Andrew Lloyd Webber) to play the piano when performing Sunset Boulevard more recently? Was he playing a sexualised character on that occasion? |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 12:57:12 GMT
Well again I'm not going to say he should have done it, as he really, really, REALLY f*cking shouldn't. However that is a bit of a false comparison. John was playing a heavily sexualized character who got naked regularly and it was only during those scenes that he did it. Hang on- is John Barrowman therefore a method actor? And didn’t he use his penis (according to Andrew Lloyd Webber) to play the piano when performing Sunset Boulevard more recently? Was he playing a sexualised character on that occasion? I have 0 idea about the Andrew Lloyd Webber story, but I doubt he would have done anything like that recently given he is basically in hiding and going on self pity rants on twitter after his cancelling. Besides I already went through the other instances. If you want to single out Barrowman for it out of dislike fine, but Roger Moore, Ade Edmondson and David Boreanaz and Sarah Michelle Gellar should be viewed with the same level of disdain, as they all did exactly the same thing, and again weren't even filming love scenes! (Apart from Sarah.) |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 3, 2024 13:22:37 GMT
Well again I'm not going to say he should have done it, as he really, really, REALLY f*cking shouldn't. We could just leave it at that... |
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Post by rushy on Jan 3, 2024 16:22:12 GMT
Marlon Brando and half the cast of Godfather mooned everyone constantly. It's not unknown
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jan 3, 2024 17:24:36 GMT
I have 0 idea about the Andrew Lloyd Webber story, but I doubt he would have done anything like that recently given he is basically in hiding and going on self pity rants on twitter after his cancelling. The details are here. It's not "recent" per se, but "more recent" (2018) than his Doctor Who/Torchwood antics (2008): playbill.com/article/when-andrew-lloyd-webber-had-to-ask-sunset-boulevards-john-barrowman-not-to-do-that-thing-onstageHe played the piano with his cock. Is that not mildly eyebrow-raising? Besides I already went through the other instances. If you want to single out Barrowman for it out of dislike fine, but Roger Moore, Ade Edmondson and David Boreanaz and Sarah Michelle Gellar should be viewed with the same level of disdain, as they all did exactly the same thing, and again weren't even filming love scenes! (Apart from Sarah.) This isn't about personal dislike, because he did it repeatedly and, as the above example shows, a full decade afterwards too. Doing it once as a joke- or in a submissive context- isn't the same as constantly throwing around your penis and putting it on people without consent. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jan 3, 2024 17:25:18 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 17:45:55 GMT
Sorry but all I see is I don't like Barrowman so I'm going to come down harder on him. I mean again it doesn't really matter as what you are attacking him for IS a shitty thing he did, so yeah it's fair enough. Still I do like to be fair and honestly I think that grouping him in with predators and sex pests is wrong. To start with saying that mooning is submissive and meek is absurd. At certain points it has been seen as MORE of an insult. It's what the Scots do to their enemies in Braveheart remember? It was also something that Scottish warriors and peasants did a lot in real life. I don't know if they did it in the battle in Braveheart as a lot of that film is historically inaccurate, but they definitely did it all the time to the Romans of all people when they tried to invade Scotland. I'd hardly say those were intended to be meek showings. If I flashed my buttocks in my place of work or just in the street I'd get arrested too. Again I wouldn't call this him being submissive. (Actually look at the comments section, one of the highest rated is "Couldn't he go to jail for that?" Obviously Bart is just a kid, but another says. "He's a kid and it's the 1990s. Things were pretty loose then." Another also says "That was 30 years ago. People didn't go to jail for things like this.") Meanwhile Ade Edmondson, David Boreanaz and Roger Moore all dropped their trousers and pants in outtakes for a laugh which yes included their penises on display. They all did it to female co-stars too, as did Will Melior to Kathryn Drysdale, whilst Sarah Michelle Gellar exposed James Marsters penis too. |
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Post by rushy on Jan 3, 2024 17:47:09 GMT
Mind you, I wouldn't want to be mooned or flashed. Times have simply changed, and Barrowman struggles to.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 3, 2024 17:52:08 GMT
Mind you, I wouldn't want to be mooned or flashed. Times have simply changed, and Barrowman struggles to. Barrowman definitely hasn't handled it well going on self pitying, woe is me rants on twitter and so on. Then again it's hard to say if he was pushed by the fans calling him a predator, either way he should have apologised once and then just shut the f*ck up and let it blow over. |
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Post by Brian MK.II on Jan 3, 2024 18:56:29 GMT
Well again I'm not going to say he should have done it, as he really, really, REALLY f*cking shouldn't. However that is a bit of a false comparison. John was playing a heavily sexualized character who got naked regularly and it was only during those scenes that he did it. Hang on- is John Barrowman therefore a method actor? And didn’t he use his penis (according to Andrew Lloyd Webber) to play the piano when performing Sunset Boulevard more recently? Was he playing a sexualised character on that occasion? ''It's trying to get itself in with him, it's trying for even more advantage! It's obsessed with its cock, it's like a bloody rounders bat now! It will die, IT WILL DIE!!'' |
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