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Post by burrunjor on May 30, 2021 7:08:50 GMT
Anybody think that it is unfair for people to act as though Barrowman is in the same league as Clarke?
Barrowman was a bit of an arse around friends. Again I wouldn't want someone I know doing that, but again it was always among his friends like Eve Myles, and the guy who played Ianto Jones. (All fo whom have come out to defend him.)
Noel Clarke meanwhile used his position to bully and humiliate people and possibly (definitely in my opinion, but you know innocent until proven guilty) prey on them sexually.
I don't like the way people try and link everything as being the same.
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Post by iank on May 30, 2021 7:33:37 GMT
Indeed. Seems like Clarke threw him under the bus to try and deflect away from himself, but it seems clear who the bigger wanker is.
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Post by Genkimonk on May 31, 2021 0:24:06 GMT
No, I think both are equal. Remember that the reboot was made for stupid people and children. If they grow to idolise Barrowman, such people may think his flashing antics are acceptable.
If this had been a show for adults and intelligent people, I could put it as him being just a dumb yank. But given the nature of the audience, I think this is justified.
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Post by zarius on May 31, 2021 16:52:07 GMT
Indeed. Seems like Clarke threw him under the bus to try and deflect away from himself, but it seems clear who the bigger wanker is. The viral video of Clarke 'exposing Barrowman' was made years ago when everyone was still in the public's good graces. I'm not defending Clarke here, but I've seen this lie that he ratted out Barrowman to deflect heat from his own affairs perpetuated several times now by Youtube'a regular dose of dipshits and it's not in an accurate account of what has went on. Somebody on twitter used historical accounts to nail Barrowman, not Clarke directly. |
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Post by RobFilth on Jun 6, 2021 21:12:34 GMT
Both are sex pests as far as I'm concerned.
They both need their bollocks collectively frozen into a large block of ice.
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Post by Genkimonk on Jun 6, 2021 21:41:22 GMT
Barrowman just adds to my belief that yanks believe they are above the law. In the UK, this would be viewed AT LEAST as public exposure, and he should be prosecuted for it. But because he is a yank, and an actor, he thinks he is above the law.
I see this time and time again in Japan. Yanks who just refuse to follow the law, arguing that its acceptable back home. But these f*ckers are not, and should follow the law of the land they are in.
We need a strong sentence to send a message.
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Post by mistressrani on Jun 12, 2021 9:11:58 GMT
Barrowman just adds to my belief that yanks believe they are above the law. In the UK, this would be viewed AT LEAST as public exposure, and he should be prosecuted for it. But because he is a yank, and an actor, he thinks he is above the law. I see this time and time again in Japan. Yanks who just refuse to follow the law, arguing that its acceptable back home. But these fokkers are not, and should follow the law of the land they are in. We need a strong sentence to send a message. Noone has made a complaint against him so there is no case for a prosecution. I agree with the original poster that Clarke's offenses appear much more serious that Barrowman's somewhat immature on set behaviour |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 12, 2021 12:18:39 GMT
Both are sex pests as far as I'm concerned. They both need their bollocks collectively frozen into a large block of ice. Agreed.
Clarke having his genitals perpetually welded to Barrowman's should have him "Educating" himself nicely...
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 12, 2021 13:33:51 GMT
On a more serious note regarding the comparisons between Clarke and Barrowman; yes, Clarke is worse, that's a borderline rapist you've got on your hands there. If he hasn't gone there already. But Barrowman is also guilty of unacceptable behaviour, and i don't buy the mealy-mouthed "Times have changed" defence here. No, they bloody haven't. Last i checked, it was no more acceptable to get your cock out and rub it all over your workmates in 2005 than it is now. You didn't hear about Nicholas Courtney getting his nob out, waving it all over Pertwee and Manning then protesting, "It was the '70s, man!" Anyone who thinks that Barrowman wasn't getting a twisted sexual kick out of this behaviour is fooling themselves.
OTOH, if Barrowman did, as we've been told, apologise for his actions and correct his behaviour back in 2008 after a complaint filed on the set of Torchwood, then it does seem to me to be unjust to, ahem, penalise (heh-heh) him for it now, especially as those doing so (the BBC, Big Finish etc.) have known full well about this particular "idiosyncracy" for years and done precisely NOTHING.
Also, the way this has come to wider public attention due to a domino effect leading from the Clarke controversy via twitter seems to me to be decidedly suspect...
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 12, 2021 13:59:00 GMT
On a more serious note regarding the comparisons between Clarke and Barrowman; yes, Clarke is worse, that's a borderline rapist you've got on your hands there. If he hasn't gone there already. But Barrowman is also guilty of unacceptable behaviour, and i don't buy the mealy-mouthed "Times have changed" defence here. No, they bloody haven't. Last i checked, it was no more acceptable to get your cock out and rub it all over your workmates in 2005 than it is now. You didn't hear about Nicholas Courtney getting his nob out, waving it all over Pertwee and Manning then protesting, "It was the '70s, man!" Anyone who thinks that Barrowman wasn't getting a twisted sexual kick out of this behaviour is fooling themselves.
OTOH, if Barrowman did, as we've been told, apologise for his actions and correct his behaviour back in 2008 after a complaint filed on the set of Torchwood, then it does seem to me to be unjust to, ahem, penalise (heh-heh) him for it now, especially as those doing so (the BBC, Big Finish etc.) have known full well about this particular "idiosyncracy" for years and done precisely NOTHING.
Also, the way this has come to wider public attention due to a domino effect leading from the Clarke controversy via twitter seems to me to be decidedly suspect...
Totally agree. Clarke is undoubtedly worse, but this stuff isn't remotely acceptable either. I'd also like to add that this isn't an example of a single "immature" incident. The man's a bloody serial flasher. Why is it that each and every "incident" involving Barrowman instinctually involves his cock, of all things? It's not hard to keep it in your trousers. Fact is, if I publicly got my cock out at work for any reason whatsoever, I'd either be investigated on the spot, fined, or arrested. And for a damned good reason. There's absolutely no reason for that kind of conduct, and even if jovial intent was seemingly there, there's a guarantee it'll unsettle people to some capacity. Assuming that there isn't any sexual intent behind it purely because the man happens to be gay doesn't really hold water either- it reinforces the notion that gay people are uniformly promiscuous types with a tendency for whipping out their genitals. I doubt that RTD was necessarily complicit in what took place, and I won't target the guy himself without specific evidence, but if that apology took place in 2008, with an understanding that this conduct in particular had unsettled people, why do the production team go and crassly trivialise that shite in this video at 2:00? At the very least, they were all clearly aware of it and didn't bother taking it remotely seriously. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 12, 2021 14:14:23 GMT
Why is it that each and every "incident" involving Barrowman instinctually involves his cock, of all things? Well, because John felt the need to "Join in the fun", of course. I mean with everyone else there having their cocks out, Billie and Julie included, presumably, would you want John to be left out?
Either that, or totally sexless, paradoxically...
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Post by RobFilth on Jun 12, 2021 14:22:29 GMT
if that apology took place in 2008, with an understanding that this conduct in particular had unsettled people, why do the production team go and crassly trivialise that shite in this video at 2:00? At the very least, they were all clearly aware of it and didn't bother taking it remotely seriously. It seems quite clear to me why this kind of behaviour was trivialised, it was simply because RTD encouraged a sleazy culture of sexual exploitation within a ring of prolific predatory sexual criminals. He was the ringmaster and therefore full culpability lays upon his shoulders, and his shoulders alone. I would recommend the maximum penitentiary sentence for such a mastermind who ruthlessly exploited this sexual predatory chaingang ring operation. Otherwise we might as well forget that Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter ever happened. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 12, 2021 14:24:10 GMT
Either that, or totally sexless, paradoxically...
Yep. That's exactly how I'd describe Barrowman...  |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 12, 2021 14:49:25 GMT
if that apology took place in 2008, with an understanding that this conduct in particular had unsettled people, why do the production team go and crassly trivialise that shite in this video at 2:00? At the very least, they were all clearly aware of it and didn't bother taking it remotely seriously. It seems quite clear to me why this kind of behaviour was trivialised, it was simply because RTD encouraged a sleazy culture of sexual exploitation within a ring of prolific predatory sexual criminals. He was the ringmaster and therefore full culpability lays upon his shoulders, and his shoulders alone. I would recommend the maximum penitentiary sentence for such a mastermind who ruthlessly exploited this sexual predatory chaingang ring operation. Otherwise we might as well forget that Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter ever happened. So, what's the rape and murder of Doctor Who worth? See you in a couple of lifetimes, Rusty...!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 12, 2021 14:55:20 GMT
On a more serious note regarding the comparisons between Clarke and Barrowman; yes, Clarke is worse, that's a borderline rapist you've got on your hands there. If he hasn't gone there already. But Barrowman is also guilty of unacceptable behaviour, and i don't buy the mealy-mouthed "Times have changed" defence here. No, they bloody haven't. Last i checked, it was no more acceptable to get your cock out and rub it all over your workmates in 2005 than it is now. You didn't hear about Nicholas Courtney getting his nob out, waving it all over Pertwee and Manning then protesting, "It was the '70s, man!" Anyone who thinks that Barrowman wasn't getting a twisted sexual kick out of this behaviour is fooling themselves.
OTOH, if Barrowman did, as we've been told, apologise for his actions and correct his behaviour back in 2008 after a complaint filed on the set of Torchwood, then it does seem to me to be unjust to, ahem, penalise (heh-heh) him for it now, especially as those doing so (the BBC, Big Finish etc.) have known full well about this particular "idiosyncracy" for years and done precisely NOTHING.
Also, the way this has come to wider public attention due to a domino effect leading from the Clarke controversy via twitter seems to me to be decidedly suspect...
Totally agree. Clarke is undoubtedly worse, but this stuff isn't remotely acceptable either. I'd also like to add that this isn't an example of a single "immature" incident. The man's a bloody serial flasher. Why is it that each and every "incident" involving Barrowman instinctually involves his cock, of all things? It's not hard to keep it in your trousers. Fact is, if I publicly got my cock out at work for any reason whatsoever, I'd either be investigated on the spot, fined, or arrested. And for a damned good reason. There's absolutely no reason for that kind of conduct, and even if jovial intent was seemingly there, there's a guarantee it'll unsettle people to some capacity. Assuming that there isn't any sexual intent behind it purely because the man happens to be gay doesn't really hold water either- it reinforces the notion that gay people are uniformly promiscuous types with a tendency for whipping out their genitals. I doubt that RTD was necessarily complicit in what took place, and I won't target the guy himself without specific evidence, but if that apology took place in 2008, with an understanding that this conduct in particular had unsettled people, why do the production team go and crassly trivialise that shite in this video at 2:00? At the very least, they were all clearly aware of it and didn't bother taking it remotely seriously. Sorry but I have to interject here. I think people are letting their dislike of the RTD era cloud their judgement somewhat. To call Barrowman an annoying arse on set is fair. To call him a sexual predator is wrong. To start with being on set is a totally different type of job than most. You can't compare it too "if I did this at my job." Actors always lark about, pull stupid pranks and do things that would get you fired in any other job. Colin Baker bit Nicola Bryant on the arse as a practical joke when he was standing behind her in one story. Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines picked Deborah Watling up and threw her into a massive pile of foam as a laugh whilst filming a 60s story. Lucy Lawless forces a kiss on Ted Raimi in this out take from Xena here. Now granted I don't think there is anyone who would reject a kiss from Lucy Lawless LOL. Still if you wanted you could say "oh she was assaulting him." "Imagine if a woman from work did this to you." Point is that actors do shit like this all the time to wind each other up in long hours and have fun. Obvs if someone is uncomfortable and really upset by this joking about, then it has to stop right away. In John Barrowman's case however nobody told him they felt uncomfortable. As the video itself and Liz Sladen's biography show, they all thought it was hilarious and encouraged him to keep doing it for a laugh. The first time he was told that it wasn't funny or appropriate? He stopped right away. He also never did it on Desperate Housewives, or I'm A Celeb or on Panto or anything like that, and he never had any convictions in his private life, so he is not exactly a serial flasher either. According to some sources he did it as a gag on Arrow, but again they were all his mates. (I believe the star of Arrow even went to John's birthday party he knew him so well.) As Gareth David Lloyd said, John never did anything to upset or annoy people on set. He was always trying to keep it fun and upbeat and in hindsight (remember it was about 13 years ago.) Some of it seems inappropriate, but it does not mean he was praying on people. Noel Clarke however if we are to believed outright came onto people, got angry when they rejected his advances and tried to use his position of power to either force them to be with him, or wreck their careers. He also actively did bully people, blacklist them etc. He is a genuine c*nt, but one guy being a dick on set doesn't mean RTD was responsible. There were assholes on the set of all genre classics, like the Welsh guy in Survivors who was supposed to have been a lunatic misogynist. |
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