The Slug Of Swansea! (Series 14 Filming)

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 11:57:58 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

All I did was point out that an appeal to authority is not the slam dunk argument you seemed to think it was.

Peace out.

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

[logopolitanicecream]

Feb 16, 2023 12:41:50 GMT RobFilth said:

Feb 16, 2023 11:57:58 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

All I did was point out that an appeal to authority is not the slam dunk argument you seemed to think it was.

Peace out.

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

Ugh

You know what? I really can't be bothered with doing the whole ganged up newbie thing.

So f*ck off and ban me or something, nerd.

[UncleDeadly]

Feb 16, 2023 12:46:43 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

Feb 16, 2023 12:41:50 GMT RobFilth said:

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

Ugh

You know what? I really can't be bothered with doing the whole ganged up newbie thing.

So f*ck off and ban me or something, nerd.

Why don't you try engaging with the point? Or is this also christmas cracker-worthy to you..?

[burrunjor]

Feb 16, 2023 12:55:25 GMT UncleDeadly said:

Feb 16, 2023 12:46:43 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

Ugh

You know what? I really can't be bothered with doing the whole ganged up newbie thing.

So f*ck off and ban me or something, nerd.

Why don't you try engaging with the point? Or is this also christmas cracker-worthy to you..?

You didn't address any of my points? Why is Colin Baker okay in your book despite doing that to Nicola Bryant? Patrick Troughton okay despite doing that to Wendy Padbury? Ade Edmondson okay despite doing that to the crew of Bottom? Roger Moore okay despite frequently doing it to his co-stars, Sarah Michelle Gellar okay for doing it to James Marsters etc, but Barrowman isn't? 

All the excuses you could use for them, IE they all knew each other, they were all friends having a laugh, or even it was a different time, are completely true for Barrowman, yet when it comes to him you and Rob both paint him as a serial abuser of women, and then strawman his defenders by making out that we are saying you can just go up to a stranger and show them your willy? 

If Barrowman is an abuser, the Colin should be done for sexually assaulting Nicola Bryant by actually biting her on the arse, and Troughton for pulling down a woman's trousers. 

[burrunjor]

Hmmm maybe we should get back on topic as things are getting a bit ugly here now. This thread is in a worse state than Barrowman's career at this stage.

I agree that Cutti doesn't exactly look thrilled to be there. Also I'm not sure what vibe they are going for for him and Millie but I can only assume it's not romance, given the age difference and the fact that he is supposed to be gay.

[mistressrani]

Feb 16, 2023 12:41:50 GMT RobFilth said:

Feb 16, 2023 11:57:58 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

All I did was point out that an appeal to authority is not the slam dunk argument you seemed to think it was.

Peace out.

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

Can I just point out that nobody has been raped by Barrowman

[mistressrani]

Feb 15, 2023 21:44:03 GMT burrunjor said:

Feb 15, 2023 15:29:26 GMT UncleDeadly said:

So you're prepared to take a contrary position to Rape Crisis UK, are you?

Tell you what, all you lot who reckon Barrowman's thoroughly normal and an all around "good egg", nip outside right now, find the nearest available female and flash your cock at her. You should feel comfortable doing this. If she objects, you can dismiss it as an "Appeal to Authority".

Okay Uncle Deadly are you going to say Pat Troughton sexually assaulted Wendy Padbury by pulling down her skirt? That Colin physically assaulted Nicola Bryant by biting her arse? I believe you excused that by saying that they knew each other, why not give Barrowman the same luxury? 

Blimey, even Pat was a sexual braggart - hope Rob is going to condemn this with equal outrage

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 14:31:29 GMT mistressrani said:

Feb 16, 2023 12:41:50 GMT RobFilth said:

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

Can I just point out that nobody has been raped by Barrowman

That we presently are aware of, no.

However, they have been assaulted(shat on),abused(by his exposure), and had their property defiled by his lewdness.

I'm pretty sure Rape Crisis deal with abuse claims as well as Rape, their web site claims, "Rape Crisis England & Wales is the charity working to end sexual violence and abuse."

I'm pretty sure having Barrowman shove his cock in your food, piss in your garden and shit on your head whilst bragging about it afterwards to taunt the victims qualifies as a claim.

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 14:35:20 GMT mistressrani said:

Blimey, even Pat was a sexual braggart - hope Rob is going to condemn this with equal outrage

Dear me Rani, if you can't tell the difference and distinguish between the idle (often untrue) boasts of sexual braggarts and actual physical sexual abuse I seriously worry about the state of your moral compass.

[Bernard Marx]

Feb 16, 2023 14:31:29 GMT mistressrani said:

Feb 16, 2023 12:41:50 GMT RobFilth said:

You know that Rape Crisis UK is a Charity, not a State Authority Body issuing out diktats, right?

You seem to confusing Victim Support with Legislative Power Making and Enforcement.

Can I just point out that nobody has been raped by Barrowman

Who said he raped anyone? 

Incidentally, whilst he didn't as far as we know, this particular account gives me pause about advocating him:

Jenna said she frequently witnessed Barrowman expose himself on set. “He would get his genitals out on a regular basis … he’d just sort of have his balls hanging out his trousers or something, which he just thought was really funny,” she said. On one occasion, Jenna said that she witnessed Barrowman “slapping” his penis on the windscreen of one of the driver’s cars, “thinking it was really funny”.

Monica had similar recollections. “Sometimes he’d call me into his dressing room, and I would knock on the door and he’d say, ‘Oh, look at this’, and he’d just have his willy out, standing in the doorway,” she said. “It was kind of accepted that it was his thing,” she said.

Although she did not appreciate his behaviour, or find it particularly funny, Monica stressed she did not feel unsafe. “It just felt really uncomfortable,” she said.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/may/07/noel-clarke-accused-of-sexual-harassment-on-doctor-who-set

Given that these are people on the lower rungs of the staff, I can absolutely understand why this would make someone feel uncomfortable, and why others in their position would have feared speaking their minds about the issue- especially given Barrowman's bombastic and (I would argue) conceited personality. Eccleston reportedly didn't get on well with him, and considering that he attributed his departure to workers on set being treated poorly, this might have factored into his decision to leave. 

[Bernard Marx]

Feb 15, 2023 8:37:18 GMT rushy said:

Are we forgetting how Marlon Brando and the entire cast of The Godfather regularly mooned one another, even in scenes with a massive amount of extras?

To be fair, showing your arse isn't likely to give the person the same sexual kick or stimulation as repeatedly placing your genitals on objects and people...

The former is basically schoolyard antics. When I was a primary school student, the odd kid would flash their arse for fun and, whilst reprimanded for it by staff, it was broadly seen as indecent but subsequently best ignored or laughed at. Conversely, if someone got their genitals out and placed them on furniture or another person, it'd be taken more seriously, because the misbehaviour would be more attributable to a sexual kick and therefore worrying in the long-term. 

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 14:57:20 GMT Bernard Marx said:

Eccleston reportedly didn't get on well with him, and considering that he attributed his departure to workers on set being treated poorly, this might have factored into his decision to leave. 

I'd say it was most likely a prominent factor in his decision.

I can't for one minute imagine Eccleston finding such behaviour amusing in the slightest.

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 15:10:00 GMT Bernard Marx said:

To be fair, showing your arse isn't likely to give the person the same sexual kick or stimulation as repeatedly placing your genitals on objects and people...

The former is basically schoolyard antics. When I was a primary school student, the odd kid would flash their arse for fun and, whilst reprimanded for it by staff, it was broadly seen as indecent but subsequently best ignored or laughed at. Conversely, if someone got their genitals out and placed it on furniture or another person, it'd be taken more seriously, because the misbehaviour would be more attributable to a sexual kick and therefore worrying in the long-term. 

That's because mooning at people is generally seen as a submissive form of exposure and getting your genitals out is a more aggressive dominant form.

It's the difference between being a "giver" and "taker".

[burrunjor]

Feb 16, 2023 15:10:00 GMT Bernard Marx said:

Feb 15, 2023 8:37:18 GMT rushy said:

Are we forgetting how Marlon Brando and the entire cast of The Godfather regularly mooned one another, even in scenes with a massive amount of extras?

To be fair, showing your arse isn't likely to give the person the same sexual kick or stimulation as repeatedly placing your genitals on objects and people...

The former is basically schoolyard antics. When I was a primary school student, the odd kid would flash their arse for fun and, whilst reprimanded for it by staff, it was broadly seen as indecent but subsequently best ignored or laughed at. Conversely, if someone got their genitals out and placed it on furniture or another person, it'd be taken more seriously, because the misbehaviour would be more attributable to a sexual kick and therefore worrying in the long-term. 

Just when I think I'm out. 

For the record I think that Barrowman's behaviour was stupid, and one of the reasons I hate practical jokes of any kind, is that they can veer into bullying, in that if you don't like them, you get seen as a stick in the mud with no sense of humour rather than the person doing them understanding "respect my privacy, I'm not in the mood." So even if you are sensitive, or shy, you have to get roped into these awful situations and competitions and feel nervous that someone could be pranking you. 

With this in mind, yes Barrowman's antics around the set were obnoxious, but again I do ask, how are they any different to the types of things lots of actors do on set? Like I said Pat Troughton pulled Wendy Padbury's skirt down as a joke. Colin bit someone on the arse. Go on try and bite someone on the bum at work, see how they take it. Ade Edmondson and Rik Mayall meanwhile did exactly what Barrowman did to each other. 

Also again look at Kathryn Drysdale's account of working with Will Mellor. BTW she is one of his best friends, and has singled him out as the nicest guy she worked with, but still look at this. 

OK, so you play a cool character in the series but what is it really like working behind the scenes with the hunkey will mellor? (Question from: Leona in the UK)
Cool? Louise?! ...Working with Will is an absolute joy. He's always showing us his willy. He put it on my shoulder once when we were rehearsing. Seriously, when I first got this job, I was really shy and the cast was already acquainted in one way or another. But Will made me feel welcome. He's a gem.

EXACTLY what Barrowman did.

Also look at this story about Hugh Jackman from the set of X2. 

Hugh was genuinely naked when he filmed one of the scenes in X2: X-Men United so the crew decided to play a little prank on him. He ran down the hall and turned a corner only to find the entire female cast and crew present (and James Marsden's mum) to make catcalls and moon over his naked body while they waved money at him.

Again I feel like the invisible man here? I keep bringing up all these other accounts of actors doing pretty much the same, if not worse things than Barrowman yet nobody acknowledges them. They still just say "go do what Barrowman does to someone in the street". Why can't people just accept it's as I have said dozens of times, that acting is a different environment where they see each other naked a lot, get very cosy around each other, and therefore joke around in ways you couldn't in other work environments? 

Everybody will accept that in this thread for Pat Troughton, and others, but not Barrowman? Again it makes me think that it's just because they think Barrowman's an asshole all around and want to stick the knife in? 

[RobFilth]

There's a difference between exposure and shitting on peoples heads who have paid money to see you however.

One is intimidatory and the other outright abuse and assault.

If I'd have been in that audience being excreted upon all over, I'd have probably punched Barrowman in the head and subsequently been arrested.

I can't imagine anyone being shat on would just casually pass it off as being prankish schoolyard horseplay, particularly when the disgusting oaf who did it brags about it afterwards to every shockjock and media hack which will listen to his lewd boasts.

Or indeed defiling peoples property or food.

I can imagine many of Barrowmans victims being scarred for life by the harrowing experience.

Some of them quite probably needing counselling for years afterwards in order to recover.

Some of them quite possibly never have, even to this day.

Why don't we ever consider the victims? Don't they matter?