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Post by ClockworkOcean on Jan 16, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
I have to suspect it's deliberate at this point. It's about completely destroying the image of the actual character in the public eye. There's a definite sense that they're just going full scorched-earth on it at this point. "If we can't have it, nobody can". They know that they've irreparably alienated the hardcore fans and the mainstream family audience alike, turning their golden goose into a toxic brand that's become more synonymous with the culture war than any other. The last thing they want is for some talented writer outside their little clique like Peter Jackson or J. Michael Straczynski to come along and reboot it, showing them up for the talentless hacks that they are. In order to prevent that from happening anytime soon, they seem to be going out of their way to destroy its reputation and kill off any remaining interest in the show. It's the only thing that makes sense. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jan 16, 2024 23:48:05 GMT
I think it's far more likely that RTD just writes what he likes, and feels comfortable being in control of the series because he can get away with exploring almost anything he wants. I doubt it's as complicated as a decades-long revenge mission against Cartmel lmfao While I to doubt this was revenge, I could honestly believe that criticism was living rent free in RTD's head for a time and it left it's mark. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 17, 2024 0:00:46 GMT
I think it's far more likely that RTD just writes what he likes, and feels comfortable being in control of the series because he can get away with exploring almost anything he wants. I doubt it's as complicated as a decades-long revenge mission against Cartmel lmfao Not just Cartmell or that phrase in particular. The whole fandom culture around it, or rather the one he thought existed. Of straight white men who love sci fi and who look up to the Doctor and look on him as a tedious twonk obsessed with heat magazine and celeb culture (the character in Runaway Bride was meant to be a take that to those types of fans.) I wish I could find the quote, but there is one where he goes on about how the sci fi genre is full of testosterone and is a heterosexual only club, and that he was a beacon in the darkness. Of course the great irony is that by the time Captain Jack came along, RTD was old hat in that respect thanks to Xena, Buffy, Babylon 5, all of which had beaten him to the punch and done so in a way that wasn't stereotypical. Still it's clearly what he thinks and I think that Andrew Cartmell letter helped set him off. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 10, 2024 12:48:02 GMT
Two years late to this, but I missed this interview at the time and only saw it today. It feels really really exciting being part of a programme that pushes a narrative and makes people feel seen. Traditionally, drama which possesses any longevity has merit beyond "pushing a narrative". Asking one's audience to think about a subject is one thing. Telling one's audience what to think is another. As for "feeling seen", Eccleston's side of the behind-the-scenes crisis on series 1 was not "seen" at all until recently, resulting in him not being "seen" in Doctor Who since his single series. If you're going to self-aggrandise and moralise, perhaps check the credentials of those you work with and ensure that they aren't brazen hypocrites. See the Davros/Disability posturing for another example. "There's a problem with the Cassandra of old in that she's a transgender plastic surgery user who is evil". I despise most superficially "moral" analyses and the word "problematic"- courtesy of its self-important and superior connotations, often lazily used in exchange for valuable close analysis- but under Davies' self-admitted criteria, he qualifies. (On It's a Sin) Not just an entertainment programme but something that's changed people's social thinking. How precisely did It's a Sin change people's social thinking? What meaningful social hypothesis did it offer? If you like shows like this, go and vote differently. Who do you propose we vote for, Russell? The Greens? The Workers' Party? Or Keir Starmer's Thatcherite and Pro-Genocide Labour Party? It makes everyone feel seen as well There is no discussion of the intended artistic quality of the programme- the single most important element- in this interview at all. I wonder why? Likewise, given the ratings, it is safe to say that the series is not being "seen" by many of those who are presumably supposed to "feel seen". (On whether he'd model himself on a specific incarnation) I'm definitely going to do my own thing...they're all amazing, you can't pick. Jon Pertwee was evidently still the "Tory Doctor" when this was filmed, as opposed to the "queer icon" he supposedly is now. |
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Post by Ludders II on May 10, 2024 13:29:49 GMT
Jon Pertwee was evidently still the "Tory Doctor" when this was filmed, as opposed to the "queer icon" he supposedly is now. He was/is neither. Nobody with half a brain swallowed the Tory Doctor nonsense, and just because a gay actor uttered some inane bullshit, that doesn't make him a queer icon either. I sometimes wonder if Eccleston is the only person associated with NuWho whose with intellect is still intact. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 10, 2024 14:49:43 GMT
Been scouring what I missed in this thread and found this on an earlier page: “I love Jon Pertwee, the Third Doctor’s, outfits. Lovely velvet jackets and frilly shirts. I feel a connection to him, our Doctors are the only two who dress like sluts” Did anyone here ever perceive Pertwee’s Doctor as a “slut”? |
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Post by Ludders II on May 10, 2024 15:09:57 GMT
Been scouring what I missed in this thread and found this on an earlier page: “I love Jon Pertwee, the Third Doctor’s, outfits. Lovely velvet jackets and frilly shirts. I feel a connection to him, our Doctors are the only two who dress like sluts” Did anyone here ever perceive Pertwee’s Doctor as a “slut”? Certainly not. And how does such a pejorative term end up being acceptable in the age of political correctness? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 16:13:14 GMT
I've always found Christopher Eccleston's outfit to be a bit dyke-y.
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Post by rushy on May 10, 2024 16:17:38 GMT
Been scouring what I missed in this thread and found this on an earlier page: Did anyone here ever perceive Pertwee’s Doctor as a “slut”? Certainly not. And how does such a pejorative term end up being acceptable in the age of political correctness? Political correctness currently means 'freedom to be as sleazy and sexualised as possible'. And if you don't like it, hellfire will rain down on you |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 21:07:21 GMT
I feel like a lot of people hear talk of the old Doctor Who being camp in the traditional sense and then erroneously think that means it exists on the same continuum as twerking and men in frocks. Also "science-fiction has always been queer", what does that even mean? Classic Doctor Who wasn't even heterosexual, let alone homosexual. Unless this is someone who doesn't watch anything before the 1980s and thinks science-fiction began with Star Wars.
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Post by iank on May 10, 2024 21:52:41 GMT
These people are gibbering degenerate morons whose entire worldview and personality revolves solely around where they want to shove their dicks.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 24, 2024 14:48:22 GMT
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Post by Genkimonk on Jun 25, 2024 0:22:09 GMT
So Suetekh has been there all this time. His goal to destroy everything. So why didn't he....
1. Stop the Doctor in Logopolis when the enthrapy wave was destroying the universe?
2. Step in with Davros' reality bomb. He was right there in the room as the Tardis was in the same rooom as Davros.
3. Stop the doctor from restarting the universe in the pandorica.
4. Possess the Great Intelligence and spliter himself through time to undo his original defeat.
Are we to believe that Suetekh, whose main goal in the destruction of ALL LIFE, didn't once step in to aid in that goal when it came incredible close. It's f*cking stupid.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 25, 2024 9:20:25 GMT
I absolutely stand by Jodie Whittaker being better (and more tolerable) than crybaby Gatwa.
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