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Post by rushy on Jul 25, 2023 14:40:21 GMT
It defeats the entire point of regeneration. It was devised as a way to get rid of William Hartnell, but keep the character. There were other ways you could have got rid of Hartnell. IE they could have revealed that the Doctor is a title passed down to different men, and had the TARDIS get recalled after Hartnell died with a new Doctor taking over. That way the show would have been able to replace its leads to its heart content. I'm not calling it a definitive interpretation. I'm just saying it's the one that appeals to me the most. One of the reasons regeneration is successful is because it's a very ambiguous process, and what it actually does seems to be interpreted differently by various writers even throughout the classic series (from the "renewal" of Power of the Daleks to a "change in appearance" in The War Games to "he will become a new man" in Planet of the Spiders). It's left open enough to where you can decide for yourself what really happens. And I'm sorry but the argument that it creates greater drama is ridiculous, because regeneration stories are depressing enough for the audience, particularly kids. You want them to accept the new boy and therefore having regeneration as a way of cheating death and it be hopeful that he's survived is obviously a better way to welcome him, rather than"sorry the character you liked is dying for good and this new guy is replacing him." I think if the new actor does a good job, then most people will accept him regardless. And again, the process is left open enough to where people can decide for themselves whether he's a direct continuation or just a new character. The Doctor being the same character creates greater drama in the long run, as it means you can build up stories and development over decades, which they did in regards to the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Brigadier, the Master etc. If the Doctor has memories of his past lives, then he'll naturally have an understanding of what the Daleks and Cybermen represent, and chooses to be repellent of it. His attitude towards the Master (and the Master's towards the Doctor) has noticeably shifted depending on the incarnation. And I think the Doctor would quickly realise the Brigadier (and most humans in general) couldn't grasp the full effects of regeneration. He can still respect and appreciate the Brig based on all he's done. Dalek stories are constantly driven by the Doctors guilt over not killing them in Genesis. I don't really subscribe to that notion. He had survivor's guilt in the RTD era, but other than that, I don't think he regretted his choice. The Daleks were meant to be, and their existence bound countless civilizations together in unity to resist them. They did a whole lot of good, in a perverse way. And the War Doctor was certainly treated as a "it wasn't really me" type situation. Even when the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors supported him, it was still acted as "YOU were the Doctor when it wasn't possible to get it right". B7 meanwhile had to kill off Travis without Blake too. Not really. That was just Chris Boucher's decision at the time, because he was tired of serializing the show after the Star One arc. Look to the Walking Dead instead, where Rick Grimes is written out but his arch-enemy Negan sticks around for entire seasons after. DW arguably endured past so many leads because people felt it was the same story and were willing to watching when their doctor vanished and unlike those other shows it could gradually slide its way into the new formula. I'm not saying it has to cut everything off lol. The concept of the TARDIS and the Doctor are instantly recognisable even when they're not the same. The Eleventh Hour barely referenced the RTD era and nobody minded. The old "replacing the broom and then the handle" of a broomstick. It's still a broomstick, it does the job. Besides, they could easily keep companions around for more direct continuity. Troughton says he would have never survived without the TARDIS helping his regeneration, he wasn't bothered when they told him how he could choose his new face, Pertwee told Sarah not to be upset, Davison was scared he wouldn't regenerate stating "is this death." Meanwhile the Master and Borusa's plans to gain more regenerations because they are scared of dying make 0 sense now if they die anyway. Why wouldn't they always just choose to body swap? Troughton might have easily referred to his second self, and put up a brave front in the court (why would he scream "nooooooo" at the end?). Pertwee was consoling Sarah. Davison was probably talking about the overall end of the Doctor's existence (i.e. no reboot at all). Borusa only wanted extra regenerations because he was obsessed with keeping order on Gallifrey and felt that he was the only one qualified (which would have continued onto a new regeneration). And the only time we've seen the Master regenerate is when he had no choice at all. We have no idea how he usually handles it. Clearly the general consensus was that the Doctors were the same people among fans, writers and the audience for decades. I don't mind that. My interpretation is for me to enjoy. It makes my viewings of the show more fun for ME. I'm not trying to suggest everyone has to see it that way, I'm just sharing why it makes the show better for me. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jul 26, 2023 8:04:46 GMT
I'm not overly bothered by the idea of each Doctor effectively dyeing with each regeneration, I just take it as a nuwho idea that you can take or leave.
It dose piss me off that Regeneration has become "magic plot-device bullshit" for lazy writers. Want some illogical plot twist or cheap drama, throw in some regen nonsense, it's the dramatic equivalent of the sonic screwdriver these day.
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Post by Monster X on Jul 26, 2023 14:53:14 GMT
I'm not overly bothered by the idea of each Doctor effectively dyeing with each regeneration, I just take it as a nuwho idea that you can take or leave. It dose piss me off that Regeneration has become "magic plot-device bullshit" for lazy writers. Want some illogical plot twist or cheap drama, throw in some regen nonsense, it's the dramatic equivalent of the sonic screwdriver these day. I agree that the notion of regeneration in NuWho is far too easy and rather disposable. In the Classic series, the regeneration process looks different with each Doctor - Hartnell falls down, Troughton goes spinning off into the blackness, Pertwee collapses on the floor, etc. In most cases, viewers see the Doctor lying down, either ill or injured, whereas NuWho standardized/normalized the action of regeneration, making it a safe and familiar (if explosive) Doctor-to-Doctor 'handover'. The Doctor or other Timelord is upright with that characteristic, mock-heroic pose, arms spread out, energy bursting from head and hands - every single time. No surprises. |
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Post by iank on Jul 26, 2023 21:18:08 GMT
Davies even ripped the pose and effect off from a Vanessa Amorosi music video. What a shameless hack.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2023 21:23:34 GMT
He also got the idea to set a story in Downing Street from a Girls Aloud music video.
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Post by iank on Jul 26, 2023 21:31:31 GMT
lol
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jul 27, 2023 10:30:21 GMT
Apparently, according to a recent Radio Times article I saw mentioned on the internet, Ncuti Gatwa has now described Doctor Who as a series about "kindness and acceptance". This doesn't bode well. Of course, I admit I don't know yet how he is likely to play the role. I can't imagine he could be any worse than Jodie though so I do wish him well and even hope he can make a success of it. The problem is that I simply do not agree Who is about what he seems to think it is about. I suspect his attitude here is merely a reflection of the current agenda so typical of modern BBC. To me, Who is not really about kindness and acceptance. Rather, it is about menacing monsters and villains and eccentric but courageous heroes battling against the odds in fantastic adventures. It very much involves danger and humour and it's about the imagination of horror and science fiction concepts. It's about scientists and evil tyrants and certainly it is about good versus evil. It seems to me that the makers of the modern series continue to wilfully ignore just what the original series was actually about and just why it used to work so well. This is astonishing really especially considering that so many of them (RTD being an obvious example) profess to be fans of the original series yet repeatedly fail to replicate the essence of why the original series remains such a classic. The epithet of "kindness and acceptance" works as an abstract principle, but it fails to convey Doctor Who's central ethos in any meaningful way. "Kindness and acceptance" could be tacitly applied to the Doctor working 'kindly' with corporations, or simply placating the monsters at every turn- therefore defeating the programme's central conceit. In truth, it's a series which evokes the unknown and the cerebral whilst eliciting an obvious anti-authoritarian streak, encouraging its audiences to question hierarchal power. Inferno is not simply about "kindness and acceptance". It is about how greed and technocracy- catalysed in the parallel world by fascistic forces, stripping Project Inferno's democratic veneer and revealing the ugliness buried beneath- inevitably destroys the planet in small stages. Revelation of the Daleks is not simply about "kindness and acceptance", but about the perversities of post-neoliberal consumerist exploitation- exemplified by corpses being used as playthings and Davros' predilection towards cannibalism, itself justified by its role in producing "valuable commodities". A series like Doctor Who can't confront these subjects with "kindness and acceptance" alone. The assumption that it can is a driving factor in why NuWho is comparatively sanitised and bereft of grittiness. |
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Post by Platypus on Jul 27, 2023 10:39:19 GMT
Apparently, according to a recent Radio Times article I saw mentioned on the internet, Ncuti Gatwa has now described Doctor Who as a series about "kindness and acceptance". I hope that means we are going to be treated to some natural manboy love from Nc*nti Fatwa. Not before time! That will wind the selfish protectionist Bonapartist Lesbo M/BERF's up no end!  Free the pur pur pur Polanski One and Justice for Schofield! Huw Edwards is innocent!  |
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Post by Platypus on Jul 27, 2023 10:51:35 GMT
By way of an apology for the shameful and unjust pur pur pur persecution he's faced, I think the BBC should cast Huw Edwards as the new companion and give him a faithful consort manboy who tags alongside him everywhere. It's only right! JUSTICE!  |
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Post by iank on Jul 27, 2023 21:27:32 GMT
They certainly don't want any programs encouraging anti-authortarianism or thinking for yourself nowadays. Totally against the woke mind virus cult's "principles".
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Post by zarius on Aug 2, 2023 7:54:38 GMT
A few reddit posts with alleged spoilers for the 60th and the first Ncuti Christmas special. Take everything with a grain of salt. I've seen fans dismiss this as rubbish, but we've had much wilder things come true before -Donna's memories of The Doctor are restored, and she appears to die...but because she had a child, Rose Noble inherited some of the metacrisis energy so it doesn't kill her mother.
-Wild Blue Yonder is another story about a malfunctioning TARDIS it appears. Donna spills coffee on the console and things start to happen.
-The Giggle ends with the Fourteenth Doctor having a bi-generation which spins off Ncuti. Together, they defeat the Toymaker. Tennant's Doctor remains active and decides to settle down while Nctui explores the universe.
-The big guest star from 2005 RTD teased is Davina McCall, who was last appeared as a voice over in "Bad Wolf", but here she appears in person helping Ruby Sunday find out more about her birth parents...yeah, this is Davina's current big ratings hit on ITV, Long Lost Family.
-Ruby's foster mother is called Carla, she adopts a new baby daughter, Lulubelle, who's kidnapped by space Goblins, Ruby meets The Doctor and they rescue little Lulu, then the goblins temproarily remove Ruby from the timeline, The Doctor corrects this, then saves Davina How reliable is the person who posted that? It honestly seems like it could be legit to me. Don't think I've seen them around before. They ended up deleting their reddit account (which is in line with accurate leakers, or they could have done that to create the illusion they'd stepped out of line) |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Jan 16, 2024 17:02:39 GMT
Gatwa seems like a decent enough actor who will without a shadow of a doubt be better than Jodie I stand corrected. They actually managed to find someone even less watchable than Jodie. Lesson relearned - never, ever assume that NuWho can't sink any lower. |
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Post by iank on Jan 16, 2024 20:31:11 GMT
I have to suspect it's deliberate at this point. It's about completely destroying the image of the actual character in the public eye.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 16, 2024 20:54:44 GMT
I have to suspect it's deliberate at this point. It's about completely destroying the image of the actual character in the public eye. It is possible that RTD is still resentful over that admittedly strong rejection letter from Cartmell. "You'd be better placed writing a more proziac story about a man, his mortgage and his dog,"I'll admit that is a harsh thing to say to an upcoming writer, but oh dear god did he have RTD's number even back then, and was clearly wanting this man to stay away from science fiction as far as possible, never mind Doctor Who. Still who knows maybe it lit a fire under RTD to really upset the traditional fans. He thought "you bastards think I'm not fit for DW. I'll change everything about DW to fit my image from heat magazine, to council estates, to references to anal sex like snowmanning, then you'll be the people getting shooed away by people like me." Chibnall meanwhile would definitely feel that way after they killed an avatar of him as Whizz Kid. Moffat seems to be the only one who didn't have a grudge like this against DW, hence Matt Smith, but as we know he gave into pressure from the fans RTD brought to the series, so yeah if that was RTD and Chibbers plan then it sadly worked. |
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Post by rushy on Jan 16, 2024 20:57:48 GMT
I think it's far more likely that RTD just writes what he likes, and feels comfortable being in control of the series because he can get away with exploring almost anything he wants.
I doubt it's as complicated as a decades-long revenge mission against Cartmel lmfao
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