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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 15, 2024 21:48:44 GMT
Red Dwarf - Tikka to Ride (Extended and Remastered version) Watching the 37 minute version of the best episode of Series 7. It's a shame Naylor had to cut so much out. The ending where Lister gets stranded in space is hilarious and a better ending than the one we got. I do really enjoy this episode, but its characterisation of Lister is pretty bizarre. It's the sort of thing Rimmer would do if he doesn't get what he wants, not Lister. Also, it's another one of those stories that makes you wonder why they don't time travel to some acceptable version of Earth and just retire already. In the Extended version Kryten mentions that after the havoc they caused in 1963 it would be unwise to return to any period of Earth. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 12:25:37 GMT
Season 6 of Cobra Kai has dropped on Netflix today. Looking forward to watching it, but it sounds as if the show has finally run out of steam. Why Netflix split the season up into three parts absolutely baffles me. Five episodes is just not enough and it sounds as if there's no real drama in the early episodes. I think they just spoil their shows honestly. Anyway, I hope I find stuff to enjoy in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 12:48:37 GMT
I hate when they fiddle with the formats for no reason. These stupid half-hiatuses that Doctor Who went through in the 2010s are part of what slashed its popularity with general audiences imo
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Post by rushy on Jul 18, 2024 14:13:20 GMT
I do really enjoy this episode, but its characterisation of Lister is pretty bizarre. It's the sort of thing Rimmer would do if he doesn't get what he wants, not Lister. Also, it's another one of those stories that makes you wonder why they don't time travel to some acceptable version of Earth and just retire already. In the Extended version Kryten mentions that after the havoc they caused in 1963 it would be unwise to return to any period of Earth. Yeah, but Lister and Rimmer actually belong in their own period. Humanity will eventually die out anyway, so if anything, they might actually improve things. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 14:35:03 GMT
I've always got the sense that deep down none of them really want to leave each other except maybe Rimmer on occasions.
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Post by rushy on Jul 18, 2024 21:35:30 GMT
I've always got the sense that deep down none of them really want to leave each other except maybe Rimmer on occasions. I disagree. In the books, they enter the Better Than Life video game where they all get to live out their desired happy endings, and it involves none of the others. Lister marries Kochanski in some quaint town, the Cat has a fortress where he's catered to by Valkyries, Rimmer becomes the most powerful and adored man in the world, and Kryten gets the fanciest cleaning products. They're in the game for years and don't miss each other at all. But if we remove the fantasy aspect of it, the only one who I think genuinely cannot manage alone is Rimmer, because Lister is the only one who comes close to accepting him (the show strongly implies that Cat and Kryten only tolerate him). And Rimmer is also the only one who ever sabotages any attempt to return home, in Future Echoes and Timeslides. |
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Post by iank on Jul 18, 2024 21:46:33 GMT
Cat chose the Dwarfers over his own people in the last special.  |
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Post by rushy on Jul 18, 2024 21:54:40 GMT
Cat chose the Dwarfers over his own people in the last special. In fairness, they'd spent the whole movie trying to kill him... |
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Post by iank on Jul 18, 2024 21:57:03 GMT
It didn't even seem like much of a choice though. He seemed to have no interest in them at all, because he's already home.
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Post by rushy on Jul 18, 2024 22:07:27 GMT
It didn't even seem like much of a choice though. He seemed to have no interest in them at all, because he's already home. True, true. I think he likes thinking of the ship as his 'territory'. Going with the other cats might seem like downgrading. It's not like they offered him his own spaceship or mansion or anything. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 22:17:30 GMT
Cat chose the Dwarfers over his own people in the last special. And Cat refused to kill them in the episode "Cured." I don't think it's far fetched to assume that Lister is happy to spend his life with Cat and Kryten at least. He's clearly fond of both and they've been through a lot. Even when Rimmer's been a right dickhead, they've always tried to rescue him (Rimmerworld, Terraform). |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 22:18:52 GMT
Even Cat, who doesn't even like Rimmer, shows some sort of emotion when he thinks Rimmer has been killed at the end of TPL.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 22:20:59 GMT
I've always got the sense that deep down none of them really want to leave each other except maybe Rimmer on occasions. I disagree. In the books, they enter the Better Than Life video game where they all get to live out their desired happy endings, and it involves none of the others. Lister marries Kochanski in some quaint town, the Cat has a fortress where he's catered to by Valkyries, Rimmer becomes the most powerful and adored man in the world, and Kryten gets the fanciest cleaning products. They're in the game for years and don't miss each other at all. But if we remove the fantasy aspect of it, the only one who I think genuinely cannot manage alone is Rimmer, because Lister is the only one who comes close to accepting him (the show strongly implies that Cat and Kryten only tolerate him). And Rimmer is also the only one who ever sabotages any attempt to return home, in Future Echoes and Timeslides. That's in the book which is separate from the TV series. Also, that takes place nearer the beginning of their time together. Series 1 Lister would have been happy to see the back of them, but they've been through so much since then. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 18, 2024 22:25:48 GMT
I've always got the sense that deep down none of them really want to leave each other except maybe Rimmer on occasions. I disagree Excuse me, but you've been a fan for maybe half a year? I've been a fan for eight years. How DARE you claim greater knowledge than me. |
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Post by rushy on Jul 18, 2024 23:04:55 GMT
That's in the book which is separate from the TV series. Also, that takes place nearer the beginning of their time together. Series 1 Lister would have been happy to see the back of them, but they've been through so much since then. They're sort of intertwined. I get the impression that the first book is their idealised version of series 1-2, because they change the canon later on. Kochanski and Lister having had a previous relationship only happened in the book, but it's a major plot point in series 7. Rimmer being the chief of Z-Shift never happened in the show, but is mentioned in Justice. The timeline of the books is also very weird compared to the show. Everything sorta happens at once and then entire decades pass in a paragraph. It takes like a few months for them to get from the start to the events of series 4. Then series 6 is like 40 years later. |
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