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Post by burrunjor on Oct 10, 2021 18:56:18 GMT
While Eight was nowhere near as bad as Davies’ Doctors, it apparently wasn’t for lock of trying. If McGan had had his was, he’d have looked like binman Eccels and dose so now on the BF covers. Again my experience with Eight is very little but he was basically the prototype for the RTD era from all I’ve heard and his stories and evolution in extra material only highlight it more. As good as McGan is, it’s with him we’re things started to go wrong as the people in charge wanted him more marketable, more appear to wider audience (Americans) and less like what has actually made the show special. Agreed. I must confess not to cause a fight but I've never really got all the love for McGann from all the people on this and other versions of the Hive like Rob, Lady Lusipher etc. He does have an excellent voice and a reasonably aristocratic look, but he is just too conventional for my liking. Now I am not saying that a conventional looking guy can never play the Doctor, but A/ I think he still has to be a bit odd like Matt Smith, and B/ you can't revel in the fact that he is conventional (which is why Peter Davison worked and Tennant didn't.) Sadly McGann definitely errs more to the Tennant side of things and the fact that he wanted a more Ecelston look, and is all for the Doctor having a romance, and the fact that he is okay with doing an audio with Missy LOL, shows that he probably doesn't have that much understanding for the character. Hell Matt Smith probably has a better understanding of the character as he at least said that his first series was his best. |
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Post by Monster X on Oct 11, 2021 6:52:15 GMT
While Eight was nowhere near as bad as Davies’ Doctors, it apparently wasn’t for lock of trying. If McGan had had his was, he’d have looked like binman Eccels and dose so now on the BF covers. Again my experience with Eight is very little but he was basically the prototype for the RTD era from all I’ve heard and his stories and evolution in extra material only highlight it more. As good as McGan is, it’s with him we’re things started to go wrong as the people in charge wanted him more marketable, more appear to wider audience (Americans) and less like what has actually made the show special. Agreed. I must confess not to cause a fight but I've never really got all the love for McGann from all the people on this and other versions of the Hive like Rob, Lady Lusipher etc. He does have an excellent voice and a reasonably aristocratic look, but he is just too conventional for my liking. Now I am not saying that a conventional looking guy can never play the Doctor, but A/ I think he still has to be a bit odd like Matt Smith, and B/ you can't revel in the fact that he is conventional (which is why Peter Davison worked and Tennant didn't.) Sadly McGann definitely errs more to the Tennant side of things and the fact that he wanted a more Ecelston look, and is all for the Doctor having a romance, and the fact that he is okay with doing an audio with Missy LOL, shows that he probably doesn't have that much understanding for the character. Hell Matt Smith probably has a better understanding of the character as he at least said that his first series was his best. Hmm.. I get what you're saying, and on most points I agree, but I must still confess a great fondness for the Eighth Doctor. I know the TVM is fokked-up in many ways and is far too American, but I do consider it superior to anything from the BBC Wales series - I can't explain why, it just feels more genuine and McGann is far more convincing, more likeable in the role than anyone since 2005. Yet I know that Davies must have looked at the TVM and used it as a template for his awful rebooted series: Things to keep: romance, kissing, fast pace, magical endings. Things to dump: Half-human Doctor, frock coat, wig, Jules Verne-inspired console room, overt references to the Classic series, previous Doctor regeneration/handover scene. McGann has that Byronic, very Doctor-ish look in the TVM but he hated wearing the wig and fancy togs - for some reason, he envies Eccleston's scruffy binman image (  ). However, it was via the TVM that I rediscovered DW and to some extent (and as sad as this sounds) McGann was my Doctor. I really enjoyed his Big Finish finish stuff (though some of the later 8th Doctor/Lucie Miller stories get a bit NuWho-ish  ) the BBC EDA books (and most of all) the DWM comic strips like 'The Glorious Dead' and 'The Flood'. Had the TVM led to a full telly series, I doubt I would have liked it much (see The Leekley Bible  ) and perhaps McGann's appeal is that he is now seen as a missed opportunity - just one TV film from 1996 and a 6 minute mini episode in 2013. |
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Post by zarius on Oct 11, 2021 14:12:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 14:19:35 GMT
It would have better if they had called themselves Farting of the Ways Productions.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 11, 2021 14:37:43 GMT
God damn it, this shit really is never going to die is it. Well I'm glad I'm out of the world of Who fandom and can just focus on my own shit now, but it is depressing to think that the classic era which could have easily been revived was left to rot. The michael grade's and the panel show c*nts won. |
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Post by zarius on Oct 13, 2021 20:44:26 GMT
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Post by iank on Oct 13, 2021 21:06:18 GMT
Jeez, can this guy ever keep his opinions to himself or his big fat mouth shut about anything?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 21:56:49 GMT
Jeez, can this guy ever keep his opinions to himself or his big fat mouth shut about anything? Well we must uphold the right to free speech, that said remember the old saying... "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Oct 16, 2021 18:05:04 GMT
And some people are actually getting their hopes up that the identity politics obsession will leave with Chibnall.
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Post by zarius on Oct 18, 2021 12:59:16 GMT
And some people are actually getting their hopes up that the identity politics obsession will leave with Chibnall. The goal posts have been moved by some in that circle. It's now 'we don't mind the identity politics because RTD is better at character development and world building" Meaning, yes, these fellows never truly had the courage of their own convictions to stick to the mission statement of their stance against the programme. It just takes a stronger grasp of the spoken word in a script to make them comply. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 18, 2021 13:42:33 GMT
And some people are actually getting their hopes up that the identity politics obsession will leave with Chibnall. The goal posts have been moved by some in that circle. It's now 'we don't mind the identity politics because RTD is better at character development and world building" Meaning, yes, these fellows never truly had the courage of their own convictions to stick to the mission statement of their stance against the programme. It just takes a stronger grasp of the spoken word in a script to make them comply. How depressing, mind you guys like Nerdrotic were never really good allies in preserving Doctor Who. Nerdrotic quoted articles where people said the appeal of the Doctor is that he is an alpha male who women want to be with and men want to be. What a lot of shit! Yeah that's definitely what pops into my head when I look at William Hartnell or Patrick Troughton getting shot up the arse in the Invasion. The appeal of Doctor Who is good old school, imaginative adventures and the fact that it gave us a totally unconventional, unusual alien character who really wasn't like any other lead on tv, even just in terms of the type of actor who played him. Really at the end of the day, Nerdrotics ideal vision for the Doctor of this sexy, boss man who gets off with the babes is as damaging in the long run as Claudia Boleyn's gender neutral, politically correct rainbow wearing lesbian heroine. Neither of those things is wrong morally LOL, they are just not the Doctor, same way a quirky eccentric, old guy would be wrong for an ACTUAL sexy, romantic, alpha, LGBT hero like Xena. Hence why this bullshit of "the Doctor can be anybody" was used to justify both of their warped visions for the character (Tennant and Jodie respectively.) Meanwhile I'm still waiting for a proper Doctor to show up since "Come on Ace we've got work to do." Sadly it seems that was the Doctors last words after all. (Although not so sad after all as it was a good story to go out on.) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 13:47:03 GMT
McCoy era hits them out of the park for two straight seasons = CANCELLED
New Who consistently sucks and alienates true fans = gets a new showrunner and another series
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 18, 2021 14:07:30 GMT
McCoy era hits them out of the park for two straight seasons = CANCELLED New Who consistently sucks and alienates true fans = gets a new showrunner and another series Yep that's what pisses me off the most about this. New Who should have by all rights finished in 2017. It shed over 4 million viewers on average in Capaldi's time and reached the absolute lowest viewing figures in the shows 50 year history, after it had been at its most popular during the 50th and with all the hype and advertising and praise and support. Instead it got another year with Pisstaker, and then it shed almost as many viewers in 1 fokking year and it STILL gets a renewal. At this stage I honestly think fokking New Who will linger on until the end of time. It really is like Christopher Lee's Dracula, no matter how many fokking times you think it's been burned, stabbed, impaled it always comes back. Difference is he was entertaining. |
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Post by iank on Oct 18, 2021 20:44:55 GMT
The Nerdrotic ilk have always been bumming up the Davies era as the greatest of the program.
It was never possible to take them very seriously. Who died in 1989, and it is never coming back.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Oct 18, 2021 21:44:49 GMT
The video was quietly deleted a while ago, but bowlestrek once actually praised NuWho Series 8 as a return to the quality of the Hinchcliffe era.  |
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). However, it was via the TVM that I rediscovered DW and to some extent (and as sad as this sounds) McGann was my Doctor. I really enjoyed his Big Finish finish stuff (though some of the later 8th Doctor/Lucie Miller stories get a bit NuWho-ish 
) the BBC EDA books (and most of all) the DWM comic strips like 'The Glorious Dead' and 'The Flood'. 
) and perhaps McGann's appeal is that he is now seen as a missed opportunity - just one TV film from 1996 and a 6 minute mini episode in 2013. 
