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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 16, 2021 9:26:19 GMT
Looks like the latest polls have Starmer on 29%. A new low for the party, even lower than the 2019 General Election result. I wonder how low they can actually go at this rate... I think that the public and the media now see Sturgeon and the SNP as the Tories' only challengers in getting what they want. I've not really seen a convincing article setting out why Starmer is a realistic next PM. I also think as soon as there's fatigue Labour suffers. Brexit fatigue - Johnson gets it thru, with a big majority. COVID fatigue - Johnson roars back into a big poll lead. If there's already Starmer fatigue the local election results may be grim. After having lost over 300 councillors in the local elections, and after having treated the act of barely holding on to a safe seat as "Labour coming home", I reckon he'll perform about as well as William Hague come the next General Election. In the sense that he'll either gain one extra seat at most, or he'll drop to the same number of seats that Hague himself had (166). Either way, it's easily the best comparison in terms of opposition leaders. I mentioned on the previous forum that Starmer was Labour's Nick Clegg, in that he's gone back on multiple promises and sold out several key principles, but Clegg was probably marginally slicker and less awkward despite being largely crap (and losing to Farage in a Europe debate, not to mention destroying the Lib Dems for decades). I suppose Starmer is a combination of Clegg, May and Hague. May, in terms of being set up as an unassailable media-management leader who actually crumbles when scrutinised, and Hague in terms of simply being a fokking useless opposition leader. |
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Post by RobFilth on Aug 16, 2021 9:30:22 GMT
I'd say he has the robotic non-engagement of May, the complete lack of any meaningful opposition of Hague and the lack of principles which Clegg had.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 16, 2021 9:41:14 GMT
I'd say he has the robotic non-engagement of May, the complete lack of any meaningful opposition of Hague and the lack of principles which Clegg had. He's also got none of the redeeming qualities of any of them. May had a high vote share- Starmer undoubtedly won't, and May's bloody awful dance is more entertaining than most of Starmer's cock-ups. That said, being kicked out of a pub probably rivals it. Hague was also funny on occasion at PMQs. Starmer isn't. He's about as dull as it gets. Equally, Clegg had more influence in 2010 amongst the youth vote than Starmer ever will, even if I wouldn't have trusted Clegg at the time personally. Just a shame Clegg completely fokked all of that up as soon as he agreed to a CON/DEM coalition, the dickhead. |
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Post by mott1 on Aug 21, 2021 20:42:25 GMT
I'd say he has the robotic non-engagement of May, the complete lack of any meaningful opposition of Hague and the lack of principles which Clegg had. He's also got none of the redeeming qualities of any of them. May had a high vote share- Starmer undoubtedly won't, and May's bloody awful dance is more entertaining than most of Starmer's cock-ups. That said, being kicked out of a pub probably rivals it. Hague was also funny on occasion at PMQs. Starmer isn't. He's about as dull as it gets. Equally, Clegg had more influence in 2010 amongst the youth vote than Starmer ever will, even if I wouldn't have trusted Clegg at the time personally. Just a shame Clegg completely fokked all of that up as soon as he agreed to a CON/DEM coalition, the dickhead. Agreed. On top of his other qualities Starmer also has the same lack of humour that Brown had, which is a problem against a natural clown like Boris - he just seems like his reluctant straight man. Do you remember how Brown struggled to cope with his 'saved the world' slip in the Commons - well that's how I felt he 'dealt' with his pub eviction. Even May managed to crack a smile after her conference chaos! |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 21, 2021 22:12:50 GMT
He's also got none of the redeeming qualities of any of them. May had a high vote share- Starmer undoubtedly won't, and May's bloody awful dance is more entertaining than most of Starmer's cock-ups. That said, being kicked out of a pub probably rivals it. Hague was also funny on occasion at PMQs. Starmer isn't. He's about as dull as it gets. Equally, Clegg had more influence in 2010 amongst the youth vote than Starmer ever will, even if I wouldn't have trusted Clegg at the time personally. Just a shame Clegg completely fokked all of that up as soon as he agreed to a CON/DEM coalition, the dickhead. Agreed. On top of his other qualities Starmer also has the same lack of humour that Brown had, which is a problem against a natural clown like Boris - he just seems like his reluctant straight man. Do you remember how Brown struggled to cope with his 'saved the world' slip in the Commons - well that's how I felt he 'dealt' with his pub eviction. Even May managed to crack a smile after her conference chaos! Yes, Starmer is staggeringly bad when it comes to humility. He's not remotely self-deprecating or funny in any way. Miliband was actually better in that respect, and I'm no big fan of his either. He seems to react badly whenever things turn against him in the moment, so I can't imagine him conceding with any modicum of graciousness or understanding. This interview here was an absolute car-crash. He's constantly repeating himself and looking furious throughout. "I will change the things that need changing, and that is the change I will bring about". Completely vague, with no indication as to what said "change" will usher in vision-wise, and waffly beyond belief. To think that Sheffield council also went to "no overall control" that day of all places, courtesy of the Greens taking five councillors (with the Lib Dems and Tories gaining one or two too). His dislikability coupled with his shambolic policy platform is alienating literally everyone. "We need to stop looking inward". He's doing that whenever he constantly refers to the last General Election and the last Leader. He can't stop looking inwardly because he seems incapable of doing anything else! We live in an era of populism and political turbulence, where people are dissatisfied and disaffected by what came before, as represented by the cynical politics of technocracy. Starmer represents the kind of politics that gradually resulted in that disaffection, so it's no wonder he's failed to cut-through to the communities he needs. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 23, 2021 15:18:37 GMT
Sounds like Starmer's new slogan is "Win the Future".
Beyond lacking substance, someone forgot to tell him that the slogan abbreviates to "WTF"...
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Aug 25, 2021 2:07:18 GMT
Blair/Brown/Miliband = Fathead
Corbyn = Mufftwat
Starmer = Chinballs
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 26, 2021 10:48:12 GMT
Blair/Brown/Miliband = Fathead Corbyn = Mufftwat Starmer = Chinballs I concur with Blair equalling RTD and Starmer equalling Chibnalls, but I wouldn't personally equate Corbyn with Moffat. Moffat is a prize twat with an unbridled ego, slagging off those who came before him as "middle of the range hacks", and his long-term legacy is ghastly. Conversely, although Corbyn's meekness when it came to the PLP and Brexit f.ucked him over (you were right on ArcHive about the British Left really being too weak and wet for their own good), I think his policy platform and broader vision for the UK will be vindicated to a greater degree in the coming years. Moffat won't be viewed with quite the same humbleness, I don't think. Likewise, Corbyn was an outsider, whereas Moffat was an intrinsic part of that circle from the off. He also wasn't as preoccupied with superficially impressing with gimmicks, and the press gave Moffat a free-pass from the off. If Corbyn had said "Tony Benn and Attlee were middle of the range hacks who only used the Labour Party as career moves", he'd be more comparable. I'd say the best comparison for Labour Leaders is thus: Clement Attlee= Verity Lambert. Morrison/Gaitskell/George Brown= The Troughton era producership. Harold Wilson= Barry Letts/Philip Hinchcliffe. James Callaghan= Graham Williams. Michael Foot/Neil Kinnock=JNT. John Smith/Poll Tax Riots= Wilderness Years. Tony Blair= RTD. Gordon Brown= Moffat. Keir Starmer= Chris Chibnall. I'm unsure where Miliband and Corbyn really fit in. Miliband is comparable to the RTD specials, I suppose. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 26, 2021 13:11:38 GMT
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Post by mott1 on Oct 2, 2021 7:19:35 GMT
Exactly... "loom is another word for tool". What a way for Keith to summarise his speech, with a linguistics lesson! That'll play well in the Red Wall seats... |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 20, 2021 11:23:16 GMT
Did anyone hear about the "Special K" farce? Jesus, Starmer is an absolute embarrassment.
And he goes and does that immediately before failing to park a lorry correctly (whilst dressed in hi-viz in an attempt to appear "relatable"):
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 22:40:27 GMT
Starmer visited my town the other day.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 6, 2022 12:06:01 GMT
Starmer visited my town the other day. Was he kicked out of any pubs this time round?  |
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Post by mott1 on Apr 6, 2022 13:00:08 GMT
When Boris is on the ropes (partygate still isn't resolved and even the war in Ukraine doesn't seem to have buried it, and then there's all the cronyism and other disasters) 'Keith' still isn't able to deal a knockout blow.
Johnson coming down on the 'biological men shouldn't compete in women's sport' side of the trans argument will play better in a GE than Starmer's confusion, even if the Tories get annihilated in the May polls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 16:11:52 GMT
Starmer visited my town the other day. Was he kicked out of any pubs this time round?  To be fair, everyone gets kicked out of pubs around here  |
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