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Post by Ludders II on Nov 21, 2024 10:04:56 GMT
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Post by cyberhat on Nov 21, 2024 11:06:18 GMT
What's satisfying about Assange's release, aside him being released of course, is it is an almost unique victory for the real left. Not cosplay leftists like Owen Jones and Novara and definitely not The Guardian, who were on the enemies side most of the time. But the outcasts like Craig Murray, Galloway and the "problematic" Jeremy Corbyn. They really should make more of that. At the lowest points, they were his only support. I don't know where he'd be without people either kicked out of The Labour Party or the "crazy left" enemies of The Democrats in America like Jimmy Dore. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 21, 2024 14:40:41 GMT
What's satisfying about Assange's release, aside him being released of course, is it is an almost unique victory for the real left. Not cosplay leftists like Owen Jones and Novara and definitely not The Guardian, who were on the enemies side most of the time. But the outcasts like Craig Murray, Galloway and the "problematic" Jeremy Corbyn. They really should make more of that. At the lowest points, they were his only support. I don't know where he'd be without people either kicked out of The Labour Party or the "crazy left" enemies of The Democrats in America like Jimmy Dore. Core political (or artistic-political) figures who supported Assange emphatically were the following: •Jeremy Corbyn. •George Galloway. •Tony Benn. •Glenn Greenwald. •Craig Murray. •Jimmy Dore. •Roger Waters. •John Pilger. •Jackie Walker, Chris Williamson, Asa Winstanley and virtually everyone either kicked out of Labour or recently investigated by a police-force slyly weaponised by Starmer’s government. •The Socialist Equality Party (SEP- with whom Waters and Pilger have/had occasionally collaborated or defended). On the top of my head, those who either spat in his face or falsely played into the accusations against him were: •Novara Media (specifically, Ash Sarkar). •The Socialist Workers Party (SWP- they ostensibly defended him from the US government but wanted him extradited to Sweden instead on the grounds of false sexual assault allegations. In turn, the SWP student society falsely accused the likes of Galloway and Tony Benn of being “rape apologists” and insisted on their being no-platformed). •Most of the Guardian’s editorial team. •The New Statesman. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 21, 2024 14:47:12 GMT
Yes. All Farage and Clarkson have done is give Starmer’s supporters two bogeymen to exploit, so as to portray the protests as entirely far-right. I’d have personally disassociated with them altogether if I were there. In truth, the protest consisted of people from all political stripes: Just Stop Oil, Workers Party activists, some Labour MPs, Lib Dems, Tories, Reform, and likely even more. The wider media haven’t mentioned this, but it encapsulates how despised Starmer is across the political spectrum. Getting JSO and Reform to participate in the same rally deserves a medal in itself. |
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Post by Ludders II on Nov 21, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
Yes.
Starmer: Too left for right. Too right for the left.
Corbyn: Too "dangerously" left to be tolerated by the political establishment, full stop.
At least with Corbyn I knew where to stand and who to stand with.
Nowadays, I feel there's a lot to stand against, but not much to stand with.
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Post by Ludders II on Nov 21, 2024 15:10:41 GMT
So you think the claims laid out on that Tax Justice link re it mainly only affecting the richest land owners and what have you, is bollocks then?
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 21, 2024 15:21:47 GMT
So you think the claims laid out on that Tax Justice link re it only affecting the richest land owners and what have you, is bollocks then? I could be wrong on this one. But from what I can ascertain, yeah. I reckon the claims in question *would* be correct *if* the richest land owners passed their land down from generation to generation, but most of them don’t. Most of them loan their money via trust funds and corporations, and they only *own* the land in wealth terms rather than physically. The farmers own the assets but not the wealth, and they’re the ones targeted by this policy. So, technically, the richest asset-owners *are* the ones affected most, but they’re only “rich” relative to the farmer-underclass- and, as such, aren’t that rich to begin with, relying on inheritance to keep their land going in the first place. They’ll be forced to sell their lands to high bidders, who are likely to be corporation-adorned to begin with. The link isn’t technically wrong, but it’s missing key context which changes everything. Mind you, the left are madly infighting over this, so I could be missing something myself. However, loads of farmers in my local area claim they’ll be financially afflicted, and they aren’t exactly stinking rich. Starmer’s lot tried framing his Winter Fuel Allowance policy as one which only targets the rich when it was first introduced, which turned out to be a pack of lies. I think the infighting partly boils down to whether one personally dislikes farmers more than Starmer, which I certainly don’t. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 21, 2024 15:26:16 GMT
Basically, if Labour wanted to tax the richest, all they would need to do is introduce a universal wealth tax without targeting specific groups. They ruled out corporation tax in their manifesto, and such a taxation policy would render *this* policy redundant. So I’m not inclined to interpret their latest behaviour as altruistic.
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Post by Ludders II on Nov 21, 2024 15:42:36 GMT
Yep, that's all fair enough. Nothing there that I could really disagree with.
Apparently Farage was claiming that Labour have got their figures wrong on that, which is enough to make me think that the opposite is true.
But yes, coupled with Labour’s previous attack on pensioners that also makes me suspicious of Labour.
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