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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 20, 2024 20:48:16 GMT
I'm not sure any lad would even admit to being a fan to their friends at school for fear of being laughed at. It was a big deal on the playground back when I was a school, but I can't imagine kids running around pretending to be Ncuti Gatwa or Maestro.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 20:59:09 GMT
It was getting to the point of being embarrassing during the late Matt Smith / Capaldi years when I was at school and was the only one watching. It's sunk into a bottomless pit since then.
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Post by iank on May 20, 2024 21:08:29 GMT
My 11 year old self would not have fallen for this shite like I did the real show. I had taste even then. Sadly for Rusty, it seems most kids today do too.
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Post by rushy on May 20, 2024 22:37:09 GMT
I'm sorry to say that I think you're all letting your bitterness and distaste for the modern era distort your judgment. General audiences don't care about the new era. But they're not going to advocate for its erasure either. Ask most people about classic and new Who, and you'll hear stuff like "Doctor Who got brought back", "Doctor Who continued", "Doctor Who was revived".
Not "there was an old show called Doctor Who and then they made a new show also called Doctor Who".
They'll say it sucks now and they don't care, but it'd still be considered bad form to go around decanonising incarnations. Imagine being the guy who tells Peter Capaldi that his Doctor doesn't count, that he's not part of the same history as Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker. Who the f*ck wants to be that guy?
And whoever thinks Tennant's lost all goodwill with audiences is frankly deluding himself. That man will have a diehard following until the day he dies. If he was still the Doctor and RTD hadn't given into his excess, it'd be a whole different story and you all know it. It wouldn't be series 2-4 ratings, but they'd be solid.
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Post by cyberhat on May 20, 2024 22:52:39 GMT
Tennant lost the goodwill of audiences late last year.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on May 20, 2024 23:00:21 GMT
I'm uncertain about whether Doctor Who could or should ever come back. My only priority right now is to see NuWho die its long-overdue death.
Right now, it's hard to imagine the re-emergence of a cultural landscape in which creative freedom and normal, escapist entertainment are the default. If you'd told me in 2014 that the culture war would still be raging on stronger than ever in 2024, I wouldn't have believed you. It still seemed at the time that identity politics was probably just a passing craze that the Tumblr generation would grow out of. The level of institutional support and financial backing from corporate and state actors via things like ESG schemes and mandatory DEI quotas wasn't yet apparent. Under what circumstances can you picture the BBC ever reverting to something resembling sanity?
In terms of the continuity question, hard reboots are ten a penny in other large pop culture franchises that haven't come within a million miles of alienating their hardcore fans and the mainstream audience to the extent that NuWho has. The idea that one of the most common damage control mechanisms in storytelling should be uniquely inaccessible to the most horrendously damaged work of fiction ever is absurd. I'm not even slightly interested in following a character whose origin story is The Timeless Children and whose past includes the Whittaker and Gatwa incarnations. This is non-negotiable. Tom Baker and Philip Hinchcliffe could come back tomorrow and I still wouldn't support the show unless those three tumours were excised.
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Post by iank on May 20, 2024 23:46:53 GMT
I'm uncertain about whether Doctor Who could or should ever come back. My only priority right now is to see NuWho die its long-overdue death. Right now, it's hard to imagine the re-emergence of a cultural landscape in which creative freedom and normal, escapist entertainment are the default. If you'd told me in 2014 that the culture war would still be raging on stronger than ever in 2024, I wouldn't have believed you. It still seemed at the time that identity politics was probably just a passing craze that the Tumblr generation would grow out of. The level of institutional support and financial backing from corporate and state actors via things like ESG schemes and mandatory DEI quotas wasn't yet apparent. Under what circumstances can you picture the BBC ever reverting to something resembling sanity? In terms of the continuity question, hard reboots are ten a penny in other large pop culture franchises that haven't come within a million miles of alienating their hardcore fans and the mainstream audience to the extent that NuWho has. The idea that one of the most common damage control mechanisms in storytelling should be uniquely inaccessible to the most horrendously damaged work of fiction ever is absurd. I'm not even slightly interested in following a character whose origin story is The Timeless Children and whose past includes the Whittaker and Gatwa incarnations. This is non-negotiable. Tom Baker and Philip Hinchcliffe could come back tomorrow and I still wouldn't support the show unless those three tumours were excised. Totally agree. This is an abomination of a once great show and character, and it needs to go. |
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Post by rushy on May 21, 2024 0:02:23 GMT
Tennant lost the goodwill of audiences late last year. This is now the defining image of David Tennant as The Doctor - "The Defeated Man". No, that's your image of him. For 99% of other people, Tennant's the same as ever. Even if his stories weren't great, they won't be blamed on him lol. That's a ludicrous suggestion. He's an internationally respected actor and Russell's writing doesn't put a dent in that reputation. Very few people would whine if his return got announced again, aside from Gatwa fans. |
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Post by Ludders II on May 21, 2024 0:39:53 GMT
S24 is like Dennis Potter compared to The Devil's Chord. To be honest, 3 eps in and even the novelty of having new eps to laugh at and take the piss out of is wearing thin pretty fast. Say what you want, but Ncuti is a much better Doctor than Jodie. There is genuine charm and charisma there, even if it feels misdirected. I think that's fair to a point. He still doesn't feel like the Doctor at all to me, but yeah compared to Jodie who was just so animated, at least he seems like an actual person rather than a cartoon. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 7:21:11 GMT
I'm uncertain about whether Doctor Who could or should ever come back. My only priority right now is to see NuWho die its long-overdue death. Right now, it's hard to imagine the re-emergence of a cultural landscape in which creative freedom and normal, escapist entertainment are the default. If you'd told me in 2014 that the culture war would still be raging on stronger than ever in 2024, I wouldn't have believed you. It still seemed at the time that identity politics was probably just a passing craze that the Tumblr generation would grow out of. The level of institutional support and financial backing from corporate and state actors via things like ESG schemes and mandatory DEI quotas wasn't yet apparent. Under what circumstances can you picture the BBC ever reverting to something resembling sanity? What people neglect to understand about identity politics is that it's been in the works since the 60s. In academic circles at least it was intrusive enough in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s that Harold Bloom was lampooning it on Charlie Rose. It all comes from the Fr*nch of course, because all this type of shit does. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 7:22:24 GMT
This is now the defining image of David Tennant as The Doctor - "The Defeated Man". No, that's your image of him. For 99% of other people, Tennant's the same as ever. Even if his stories weren't great, they won't be blamed on him lol. That's a ludicrous suggestion. He's an internationally respected actor and Russell's writing doesn't put a dent in that reputation. Very few people would whine if his return got announced again, aside from Gatwa fans. I have lost a lot of respect for Tennant as a person but I still enjoy his Doctor. I think most people will feel the same. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 21, 2024 7:51:56 GMT
I'm sorry to say that I think you're all letting your bitterness and distaste for the modern era distort your judgment. General audiences don't care about the new era. But they're not going to advocate for its erasure either. Ask most people about classic and new Who, and you'll hear stuff like "Doctor Who got brought back", "Doctor Who continued", "Doctor Who was revived". Not "there was an old show called Doctor Who and then they made a new show also called Doctor Who". They'll say it sucks now and they don't care, but it'd still be considered bad form to go around decanonising incarnations. Imagine being the guy who tells Peter Capaldi that his Doctor doesn't count, that he's not part of the same history as Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker. Who the f*ck wants to be that guy?
And whoever thinks Tennant's lost all goodwill with audiences is frankly deluding himself. That man will have a diehard following until the day he dies. If he was still the Doctor and RTD hadn't given into his excess, it'd be a whole different story and you all know it. It wouldn't be series 2-4 ratings, but they'd be solid. You see what I mean, this is exactly what I'm saying that this "it has to be one continuity" is just an appeal to emotion that falls apart under any scrutiny. To start with this is not saying Peter Capaldi isn't the same history as Tom Baker. He is in his version, it's just that now we have an alternative and he's not part of the new version. Also who made Peter Capaldi the centre of the DW universe? I don't have any vendetta against him, but I'm not going to keep a poor, destructive and limiting continuity for DW just to spare his feelings. Did he care when he knew Missy was ruining it for millions of fans? Did he care when he knew the female Doctor was ruining it for millions of fans? Okay he didn't write them, but he didn't raise one word of protest, like Henry Cavill did for The Witcher? Hell David Tennant stopped RTD from doing an arse kissing, fad chasing story about JK Rowling. FFS Christopher Eccelston who wasn't a fan of the original, still felt it was being turned into a farce and argued with RTD about the quality of the scripts. Capaldi however happily went along with all of it. Despite being such a Pertwee fan, he didn't think there was anything out of the ordinary seeing the Master become a prancing moron who wanted to stick her tongue down the Doctors throat. He happily delivered lines that demeaned him as a man, and went on that AWFUL woman's march and associated DW with that kind of shallow neo liberal politics. Again whilst I'm not saying I want to go out of my way to upset the man who has done me no wrong LOL, if I bumped into Peter Capaldi and he gave me grief for decanonizing his who (which I don't think he would anyway) I'd happily say "well Peter if you wanted yours to be the same story as Jon Pertwee's maybe, just maybe you should have insisted that it actually be that, rather than let Moffat turn Pertwee's main enemy into his kinky dominatrix fantasy maybe you, a big star should have insisted no make this another villain, or do the Master properly." Also the very idea you think mainstream audiences would even know that new who has been decanonised is not true. Like I said the show would just begin with a new Doctor going on adventures, win people over and then when it was established he'd mention "I'm on my 9th life." Do you think mainstream viewers even know which one is the 9th Doctor or the 4th Doctor? Pretty much the only one they do know for sure is Hartnell, simply because he is the first. Others they won't have any clue. Hell lot's of people probably don't even know that new who is a sequel anyway. Literally the only people that would be peeved at that are the new who/fitzroy lover fanatics, but as seen with the total failure of this series, they're not a reliable audience. Meanwhile yes Tennant has outstayed his welcome. So many of his fans have turned against him and to be honest his last tenure didn't get that solid ratings. Better than now certainly, but they went down every episode and the general consensus was just let this guy go already. |
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Post by iank on May 21, 2024 8:58:59 GMT
Yeah Tennant is a long way from his 2000s popularity and like Fruity and Davies every time he opens his mouth of late he alienates more people.
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Post by burrunjor on May 21, 2024 9:43:06 GMT
Yeah Tennant is a long way from his 2000s popularity and like Fruity and Davies every time he opens his mouth of late he alienates more people. In all honesty it's a shame. I don't have anything against him, unlike most here (to put it mildly LOL.) He is a decent enough actor and I think actually makes a great villain and should have done a Mark Hamill and reinvented himself that way. Ironically the biggest success he has had since DW was playing a supervillain, showing I should have been David Tennant's agent haha. However yeah the come back did not do his Doctor any favours. Ironically he chose to reinvent himself like Mark Hamill in the 2010s rather than the 1990s LOL, by making his character that was a hero to millions of little boys a cuck and spouting stupid political stuff in the media, though to be fair to him he hasn't reached anywhere near the jaw dropping stupidity of Mark Hamill. Still his wife definitely f*cked up their reputation with all her mad breast feeding her 3 year old children on social media, boasting about her children being non binary and trying to be political in a way that pissed off everyone on all sides. It's very telling in Bowlsetrek's latest video he said that Moffat cast the two best Doctors in new who, when before he was a Tennant fanboy. In the words of John Lennon "a pretty face may last a year or too, but pretty soon they'll see what you can do." Tennant is a fantastic singer incidentally. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 9:47:40 GMT
Lmao I even got upvotes for pointing out that young boys don't want to watch a middle-aged woman or a foppish gay guy in the lead role
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