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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 18:55:10 GMT
Question is do you think the DW brand has a future or is this end of the road for DW in general? I think it absolutely has a future. It's become too big of a brand/potential moneymaker to die out permanently. Like Star Trek after 2005. They gave it another shot after a decade of rest just to see if it would take off again. The same is likely to happen with Doctor Who. However, any new version of the show will keep the modern era canon. It'll just pick off at a certain point after Gatwa with the 16th Doctor. No it will not. That is not an option for the future. Again what is it with this lets keep it all one continuity. It's like it's a religious belief. It makes 0 logical sense. You can't give a single reason for why it should be, or rather any reason you do give is actually made worse by keeping it in the same canon. Again assuming humanity doesn't go extinct and DW isn't permanently killed by this shit show, there's no reason to think there won't be DW stories in 2000 years, like there are new Hercules stories. Is it all going to be in one canon? Think Herc would have had as long a life as he has if every Hercules story had to be in the same continuity? The only question is whether the next version will keep the original series canon. Sadly I don't think it will. I think it will most likely be a complete reboot. Hell we may even see a remake of some of the old Hartnell stories. Not shot for shot remakes, but along the same lines like perhaps a version of 100000 BC that is accurate and has Wooly Mammoths and such, a Web Planet with giant insects, an updated version of the Daleks etc. Either way New Who canon is dead. It's got too much baggage, and its core fandom are too toxic and are an audience that the Beeb or whoever owns it would actually want to shed. As seen by the failure of this series, they're not an audience that you can count on for big views anyway and they actively drive away other viewers with their bullying, cliqueness, faux activism and they would quickly take over the fandom if it were in anyway connected to their shitty version. Brand worshippers meanwhile again will watch anything with the logo stamped on it so they're onboard no matter what, all that would matter would be winning round the new viewers. That's the tricky part. |
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Post by rushy on May 20, 2024 19:08:05 GMT
Yes, it will. I'm not talking in hypotheticals here, or what should or shouldn't be. Any future revival will keep Tennant and Smith in the canon. And by extension, all the Doctors associated with them. Doctor Who is known at this point for its long unbroken line of lead actors, one following the other all through the decades. It's a huge part of the show's tradition. Anyone trying to wipe a mainline Doctor (especially a major one like Tennant) from the canon would be absolutely lynched on the internet. It's a risk no producer would ever take. EDIT: I also find it very unlikely that someone would try to start it all from the beginning when they can just cast a new Doctor and companion and do their own adventures, and immediately be accepted by the core fandom. Selling a canonical continuation is infinitely easier and more profitable from a business perspective. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 20, 2024 19:46:08 GMT
73 Yards is apparently unlike any other Doctor Who episode. This must be the fourth time in a row they've said that about an episode.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 20, 2024 19:48:38 GMT
It's Doctor-Lite as well. This might actually be the best one  |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 20:05:26 GMT
Everyone on Reddit is wondering why the new show is doing so badly
"You can chalk it up to writing or directing or casting or Disney whatever you want, but clearly something is failing to capture and preserve interest."
Oh, I wonder what? Thick c*nts.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 20:14:43 GMT
I think a good way to spice things up would be to make it a 15+ or even an 18+ for some episodes. In most circles, it's earned a reputation as a "baby's show" because of its refusal to be at all edgy. Go full-on nasty with the stories and characters, set all the stories on Earth and really get gritty with modern England and the bizarre phenomena that inhabit it.
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Post by iank on May 20, 2024 20:28:06 GMT
I'm sure I've said it before, but the stuff they did in the 70s would be on after 9pm now. That's been part of the problem with New Poo from the start - too sanitised, too bland, too afraid to actually be scary or too dark. Who needs to be a grownup show now, and I don't mean in the sense of excessive sex and nonsense. It just needs to be able to do the stuff it used to and in our nanny state age it just can't in its current format.
Maybe it just needs to die, period.
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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 20:34:36 GMT
Yes, it will. I'm not talking in hypotheticals here, or what should or shouldn't be. Any future revival will keep Tennant and Smith in the canon. And by extension, all the Doctors associated with them. Doctor Who is known at this point for its long unbroken line of lead actors, one following the other all through the decades. It's a huge part of the show's tradition. Anyone trying to wipe a mainline Doctor (especially a major one like Tennant) from the canon would be absolutely lynched on the internet.
It's a risk no producer would ever take. EDIT: I also find it very unlikely that someone would try to start it all from the beginning when they can just cast a new Doctor and companion and do their own adventures, and immediately be accepted by the core fandom. Selling a canonical continuation is infinitely easier and more profitable from a business perspective. Anyone who would lynch them for that is an idiot. Well they're not idiots in general, outside of this I'm sure they might be smart, wonderful, but in this area yes they aren't thinking clearly, no other way to say it. "I want it to all be one canon forever, even though I know that literally is impossible. It means nothing will ever matter if we do that, IE any big characters stories coming to an end, any character deaths, any stakes like a planet being devastated, any natural development that might resolve things etc will all be undone to restore the eternal status quo. At the same time we are also at the mercy of changes of the worst kind, where a hack author who wants to reinvent the series forever can do so, as now his changes will be canon to the original. For instance Delgado's biography has to mention that he and Pertwee's Doctor wanted to f*ck to make Missy fit, the Doctor's article on wikipedia has to list the Timeless children as Hartnell's backstory, it has to be listed that Time Lords were always genderless etc. This further serves as a magnet for hacks who get a pleasure over smearing themselves over others work and political pundits who want to reinvent the Doctor as a more diverse character as they know they can do the same, ensuring the show can't move on naturally, but keeps reinventing its own past to make way for new changes. Truly nothing matters not just in terms of no stakes, but not even knowing what the f*ck the character is. If there are different versions however that appeal for those kinds of hacks is gone as they now know their version won't be included alongside the original automatically. The original is safe to stand on its on, and people who work on the new ones have to actually try and make their version good. Also we'll have to abandon the canon anyway when it becomes too big, like 300 years too big, so why bother keeping it if you're ignoring it in every way anyway? That's a contradiction in terms. I know adhering to this has already made the show a the jumbled mess, but I still want it to be one canon because............. South Park said Multiverses are lazy writing? I admit something like Inferno, The Wish, When Fates Collide and Rick Potion No 9 are all clearly examples of lazier writing than calling Sarah Jessica Parker an ugly horse face or saying Barbara Streisand has a big nose, but still no stakes in a multiverse story, unlike it's all one canon where there really will never be any stakes at all." (Though you don't need a multiverse to have a new version and to be honest whilst I was trying to be nice at first and say new who could be linked to the next sequel via the multiverse, new who is now so toxic I'm not sure I'd even want that. For instance RTD's attempt at the multiverse with bi regeneration is so stupid I don't think you could have that be in the same multiverse as the original for instance.)Again that point of view I'm sorry is irrational, not practical, destructive and any producer with an ounce of sense will not stick to it. Besides they could easily just have the 9th Doctor show up, go on new adventures, and then when this show is on its 3rd series have him mention "I'm on my 9th life." By that stage you have a new generation and BAM no new who shit. Meanwhile Tennant has blotted his copy book with his own audience I'm afraid. To start with his comeback was a dismal failure. Bland, insipid stories that vandalized classic villains and made his Doctor look tired and dated. Also the fact that so much of his Doctors reputation was built on "you can't disagree with his take because he was so successful" has been harmed by the absolute failure of his second run in all respects. On top of that he also alienated a lot of his fans by making his Doctor gay and having him take being abused for being a man by Donna and Rose. Ironically a lot of Tennant's fans were guys. Young nerdy men who saw him as a Peter Parker type hero. A more vulnerable, nerdy, sensitive hero who was still dashing and sexy because of those qualities. His intelligence made him charismatic, his sensitivity made him attractive to babes like Freema. He was a more accessible hero for them. Obviously I'm not saying Tennant's fans are homophobic (they'd have hardly watched his era if they were) but again for them, seeing the Doctor now be rewritten as a gay character honestly I think it killed his appeal as a relatable hero for them, same way making Xena completely straight would have killed her appeal to her LGBT audience. On top of that Tennant's clumsy attempts at being political have also alienated a lot of his fans. I do agree that his comments about trans kids are ridiculous. I support trans people you know that, but no a kid should not be allowed to transition. They are too young for to know for sure. Saying they can hurts both the children and trans rights in the general public's eyes. On top of this his wife has also I think f*cked his image up. Now I don't mean to get into mud slinging here as I don't know the Tennant's and you cannot judge people solely by social media (well unless they are a full blown Nazi or a real disgusting creep like Neil Patrick Harris.) Still Georgia Moffat is not good at winning friends and influencing people to say the least. To start with she is into some weird shit. There's pictures on her instagram of her breast feeding her children who look about 5. I don't know how old they are for sure, but they certainly look too old for that. She also goes on about trans kids, virtue signals about every shallow fad that comes her way, yet she also earned the ire of the lefty fans by being silent as a ghost about Palestine for ages and was branded a coward by them. Really at this stage the view of Tennant isn't "dashing stud who saved DW" it's more "politically clueless idiot that doesn't know when to f*ck off and whose insane wife keeps his balls in her purse and maybe lets him use them every other Saturday." Matt Smith is pretty much the only one who is close to universally beloved out of the new boys, but given how well his career is going, unlike Tennant I can't see him coming back. He hasn't even bothered with Big Finish. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 20:35:38 GMT
I'm sure I've said it before, but the stuff they did in the 70s would be on after 9pm now. That's been part of the problem with New Poo from the start - too sanitised, too bland, too afraid to actually be scary or too dark. Who needs to be a grownup show now, and I don't mean in the sense of excessive sex and nonsense. It just needs to be able to do the stuff it used to and in our nanny state age it just can't in its current format. Maybe it just needs to die, period. Check out my version of Scratchman when it's out LOL. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 20, 2024 20:36:48 GMT
Maybe it just needs to die, period. Yes. I don't know why it needs (or even deserves) to go on. All great shows have to come to an end. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 20:40:20 GMT
Maybe it just needs to die, period. Yes. I don't know why it needs (or even deserves) to go on. All great shows have to come to an end. I'd have been more than happy with "Come on Ace we've got work to do" being the last we ever saw of DW. Ironically now I'm more desperate for an alternate sequel than ever, simply because it would be a damn shame if New Who marked the end of the story. Like I said, never mind not ending with a bang, it ends with an excretion if that's the case. Still I do realise that is now a pipe dream simply because DW as a brand is f*cking deader than well to be honest I'm struggling to think of something deader than DW to compare it to. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 20:41:54 GMT
It is so unspeakably lame now. I can't imagine teenage boys being interested at all. I certainly wouldn't have been. Ever since the Moffat era it's been getting more kiddy and toothless. I'm sorry but the identity politics need to go. Young boys/men can't abide that shit. You have the odd pocket of ponces or ideologues but in general it's scoffed at. When you're at "that age" (i.e. 12-16) where you're discovering stuff to build your personality around, you're attracted towards stuff with a bit of edge, of which Doctor Who has none. That's the principal problem here. It's declawed and harmless, it's not saying anything or speaking to anyone, it's not pertinent to our collective triumphs, fears, weaknesses or guilty pleasures as a culture. In the words of the immortal bard, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Post by iank on May 20, 2024 20:44:14 GMT
I just can't imagine many lads, teenage or under, wanting Fruity on their lunch boxes (or anywhere else for that matter.)
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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 20:46:33 GMT
I just can't imagine many lads, teenage or under, wanting Fruity on their lunch boxes (or anywhere else for that matter.) Meanwhile Freddie Mercury continues to be an icon for young men due to his charisma and presence, despite being in his own words "gay as a dafodil." There is a market for it, but not in DW that had its own identity. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 20, 2024 20:47:33 GMT
It is so unspeakably lame now. I can't imagine teenage boys being interested at all. I certainly wouldn't have been. Ever since the Moffat era it's been getting more kiddy and toothless. I'm sorry but the identity politics need to go. Young boys/men can't abide that shit. You have the odd pocket of ponces or ideologues but in general it's scoffed at. When you're at "that age" (i.e. 12-16) where you're discovering stuff to build your personality around, you're attracted towards stuff with a bit of edge, of which Doctor Who has none. That's the principal problem here. It's declawed and harmless, it's not saying anything or speaking to anyone, it's not pertinent to our collective triumphs, fears, weaknesses or guilty pleasures as a culture. In the words of the immortal bard, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I can tell you right now that I would not have become a fan if I was introduced to this version of the show. What is there to be a fan of? |
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