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Post by iank on Jan 18, 2024 22:49:33 GMT
lols New Who fans are funny. They're just so dumb.  |
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Post by rushy on Jan 18, 2024 23:04:25 GMT
Adam isn't his childhood friend and one of the only surviving Time Lords left. Yes, he's a hypocrite. Why shouldn't he be? his childhood friend. Doesn't change the fact that he's a scumbag. Oh, I don't know. Pertwee seemed thrilled to have him on Earth. Anyway, I don't think you're supposed to take all that "it'd be my honour" stuff literally anyway. It's just him trying to appeal to the Master's vanity. He'd probably be locked up in the TARDIS a la Shalka-Master. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 23:40:24 GMT
Was his childhood friend. Doesn't change the fact that he's a scumbag. Might as well have Richard Ramirez in the TARIS with him. Technically it's worse. I mean obviously it's not as offensive from a real world perspective as Hitler was you know real, but in universe the Master has killed more people than Hitler, Gengis Khan, Paul Pott combined! The Doctor saying he's the only friend like me is like "The Hitlers are an absolute delight." Is that the same Paul Pott I sometimes see down the pub telling anyone who'll listen about his shady past as a Cambodian dictator? |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 18, 2024 23:46:16 GMT
 "Am i a joke to you..?" |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 19, 2024 9:39:39 GMT
Was his childhood friend. Doesn't change the fact that he's a scumbag. Oh, I don't know. Pertwee seemed thrilled to have him on Earth. Anyway, I don't think you're supposed to take all that "it'd be my honour" stuff literally anyway. It's just him trying to appeal to the Master's vanity. He'd probably be locked up in the TARDIS a la Shalka-Master. He wasn't. Again this all comes from one line that's meant to be a joke in Terror of the Autons where he says he's looking forward to facing him. It's also a reference to the fact that Holmes says that fighting Moriarty was enjoyable because he was a worthy opponent and now that Moriarty is gone he will forever be doomed to mediocrity. It doesn't mean he still wants to be Delgado's friend. Let's look at what he does do Delgado? He's happy for UNIT troops to shoot him in Terror. He tries to trap him in an area that's about to be hit by an atomic bomb in Mind of Evil. Kicks the crap out of him in Colony in Space. Tries to trap him in an eternal time loop in Claws of Axos. Threatens to kill him in anger in The Daemons "Oh I'm a dead man. I knew that when I came in, so you'd better watch out, as I have nothing to lose." Happily hands him over to the Draconians who may kill him in Frontier in Space "if they do believe the Doctor YOU'VE had it." Apparently one joke in Terror and Pertwee saying they used to be friends in ONE scene in Sea Devils overrides all of that, and all of Delgado's attempts to kill him like. Shooting him in Terror, with it only being the Doctor having his dimensional drive that stops him, using him as a test subject in Mind of Evil, making him the victim of stray bullets in Colony in Space, leaving him to the Axons, goading Azal into killing him, goading the Sea Devils to kill him, (in that story he also provokes a war to spite him, and throws a knife at his head) trapping him in eternal torment in Time Monster, laughing at the thought of him floating in space in Frontier and shooting him in the head! All of this gets forgotten about for TWO scenes. (A few others are taken out of context, like the scene in Mind of Evil that tv tropes claims is homoerotic when the Master checks on the Doctor. In actual fact the Master is terrified that the machine very nearly overcame the Doctor, showing it can overcome him too, but tv tropes is written by new who millenial fans who probably half heartedly watched it once and never bothered again, or worse, middle aged classic who fans who want to get down with the kids and sell it out under the mistaken belief this is still the 00s.) The Master caring for the Doctor after the Keller machine nearly kills him is straight out of a Hurt/Comfort Fic. This starts a trend in which while he continually tries to kill him, the Master always believes the Doctor will survive and doesn't actually want him goneMeanwhile in the real world the Master/Doctor relationship is exactly how I said above. |
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Post by iank on Jan 19, 2024 21:25:43 GMT
Indeed. What can you say, New Who apologists will apologise for any old shite.
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Post by rushy on Jan 19, 2024 22:46:34 GMT
This isn't an apology, it's a statement of fact. XD
Anyway, it's erroneous to assume the Doctor's attitude towards the Master is static. After the Time War, I don't mind seeing them closer. They would be. I was just saying there's a precedent for that decision to be made. I like the decision that was made. That's that. Smug git.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 19, 2024 22:58:58 GMT
This isn't an apology, it's a statement of fact. XD Anyway, it's erroneous to assume the Doctor's attitude towards the Master is static. After the Time War, I don't mind seeing them closer. They would be. I was just saying there's a precedent for that decision to be made. I like the decision that was made. That's that. Smug git. Who is a smug git? |
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Post by rushy on Jan 19, 2024 23:00:51 GMT
Your mama- sorry, I meant Ian lol
my new mortal nemesis
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Post by iank on Jan 20, 2024 0:15:46 GMT
It's difficult not to be smug with some of your "takes", rushy.  |
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Post by rushy on Jan 20, 2024 0:25:59 GMT
It's difficult not to be smug with some of your "takes", rushy. Don't sleep with your back to the door... Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Tom Baker audios? |
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Post by iank on Jan 20, 2024 0:31:37 GMT
Only heard a few, audio is not my bag. The Romance of Crime was a fun adaptation of the book but I heard like one of the originals and even being a Tom and Lalla one I thought it was meh as f*ck.
I'm just not into anything beyond the original show anymore. Who's now just a cash cow for OCD sufferers to be mercilessly squeezed by opportunists. I don't believe anyone involved with the show - from the tv show to the audios to the books et al - really gives a shit about it anymore.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 20, 2024 14:20:32 GMT
I think there is still a lot of great stuff in Big Finish if you care to look. That Dracula series was absolute f*cking gold. Gatiss is the man when it comes to horror and vampire kings. I'm also going to get their Frankenstein one too, which I hope is just as good. Still Iank is right that they do waaaaaaay too many DW stories and quite frankly I don't know why when they have the rights to do stories for other franchises? Incidentally my pet peeve with fandom right now are the double standards shown towards 80s Who. It's probably because I'm making my way through the 80s now LOL, but even without that so many of the things we are told killed the show in the 80s, other eras before and after did just as badly. To me fans just pick on 80s Who because that was the era the show got cancelled, and they are so terrified of it going back to the wilderness years, they won't even consider that there were other reasons it got the chop in the 80s, like deliberate sabotage? Of course I'm not saying everybody who hates 80s who is like that. Obviously it's all just taste, and there certainly are some absolute howlers that decade and whilst I liked the Davison era on rewatch, I do admit at times it felt a bit more dull than say Pertwee or early Tom that just had more life to them. Still 80s Who is definitely unfairly shat on when compared to other eras. I can't go on Gallifrey Reddit anymore. They actually unbanned me to their credit, but oh dear god you can guess every opinion from every single person there and it's all received fandom wisdom. I just know I'd get into more fights. They'll go on about how Ainley would have been a good Master if he didn't ham it up, but then praise Missy and say her playing it as a homicidal Cathy from Two Doors Down was like Delgado. They'll say that Saward didn't get the show because he had the Doctor use a gun when he had no choice against an attacking Cyberman which undermined the Doctors morality, and not only overlook the times the first four used guns and were more violent than Colin and Davison, but then salivate over Human Nature/Family of Blood, where the Doctor TORTURES aliens for all eternity when he has no reason too, forces his black companion to live in a racist time as a maid when he has no reason too, and gets scores of innocent people including children killed, and then desecrates their bodies in order to torture the aliens possessing them, so their loved ones won't be able to bury them, and call that a masterpiece? Or the Twelfth Doctors era that for some reason they view as an intellectual masterpiece, where we have the Doctor snatch his sonic screwdriver from a frozen dead child's hand, willingly sacrifice a cute fan girl who looks up to him in that ghost story to save Clara, and best of all try and be friends with a genocidal monster! Eric Saward's Doctor. LEADER: It's survival, Doctor. Just as these primitives kill lesser species to protect themselves, so I kill them.
DOCTOR: That's hardly an argument.
LEADER: It's not supposed to be an argument. It's a statement!
Peter Capaldi era Doctor. DOCTOR: She got us home from Mars.
BILL: She's a murderer.
DOCTOR: Enjoying your bacon sandwich?
BILL: Why?
DOCTOR: Because it had a mummy and a daddy. Go tell a pig about your moral high ground.Yeah Saward definitely made the character someone it was hard to root for. I might add, shitty things Saward DID do, like undermine the Doctor, push him to the side for supporting characters, RTD did too! Also at least Saward had everybody lose in his stories like Lytton who gets killed in Attack. RTD had his other preferred characters save the day and tell the Doctor he was outright useless which he would agree with! ![]() They'll go on and on about JNT's stunt casting ruining the show, despite him still casting actors in acting roles (and in some cases allowing them to branch out like Nicholas Parsons giving his own personal favourite performance, and showing he was more than a variety actor) and then salivate over Parting of the Ways which has Anne Robinson as herself, and praise RTD for being in touch with the youth of the day by having Davina McColl, Big Brother, McFly etc. They'll say it was too panto, whilst praising episodes about Goblins with musical numbers, farting aliens and a drag queen villain, a literal panto dame! . We are told having Ian Levine correct a few continuity glitches ruined the entire show as it was pandering to the base, but single handedly rewriting the entire shows history and character with the Timeless Children, trashing an iconic foe like the Master, and throwing in insults against men to pander to what they think are their new fans, young, "political" milennials is not pandering at all? Also finally the idea that it wasn't as successful in the 80s at this stage is an utter joke. The show was far more popular in America in the 80s, pulling over 9 million and having the biggest fan club in the world over there, unlike in the 10s where at the peak of Matt's popularity it pulled in about 2 million stateside (but that is framed as it finally catching on over there) and its fandom was nowhere near as big either. Meanwhile in terms of viewers in the UK, Davison's and early Colin's were about average with most of New Who when it was successful (As we've been over no Eccelston, Tennant or Smith series actually topped or rivalled Davison's first series.) On top of that hilariously New Who's run has never been as smooth as the 80s! Yeah The longest unbroken run in the 80s was 5 years. Tom's last to Colin's first. New Who's longest unbroken run was Eccelston's first to Tennant's last. 4 years. Ever since then New Who has never gone more than two years without a hiatus! Tennant's last year was the specials, Matt's last year was split up across two years, Capaldi had a break after his second year, and Jodie had a break in her first year and then a four year break in terms of a full series between 2020 and Ncuti's first full year as the Doctor. (With everything in between being a mini series and specials.) Hilariously enough, the run from Trial of a Time Lord to Survival of four seasons in a row was smoother than ANY run New Who has had since the Tennant era! It just goes to show you how history can be rewritten LOL. Just because 80s Who was made the fall guy by the Beeb and shallow Panel show c*nts in the 90s, DW fans STILL follow that mantra 40 years on. Its so annoying and yes as a big 80s Who fanboy, I won't deny in regards to DW it's made me a bitter bastard. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Jan 20, 2024 19:57:35 GMT
Ugh, I always want to stick up for Capaldi, but it's shit like this that makes me run out of sympathy. Being polite is one thing, being an arse-kissing doormat is another.
Come on Peter, who are you trying to fool? We've all heard your passionate evocations of William Hartnell and those "dark winter nights". Nobody believes that this is your idea of "amazing" Doctor Who, and nobody buys that your professional judgment as an actor is so poor that you deem Gatwa's vulgar, repellent peacocking an acceptable performance by any standard.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 21, 2024 9:58:48 GMT
UGH some anti woke DW fan just got angry when I dared to say Missy was crap. Honestly I feel like Frank Grimes in regards to this awful, awful, awful, awful character.  This whole fandom is insane! INSANE I TELL YOU! I can be badly written too. Look I'm Missy. I can be a female character that has NO motivation or character beyond wanting to shag the male hero, (a poor motivation for any female villain admittedly, but also something that feminists in particular always go crazy over with things like the Bechdel test that they didn't realise was taking the piss) and I can be an even more genuinely offensive feminized version of a male character to the point where I feel like a sexist joke. Let's see, when I was a man I used to want to take over the universe, and was a genuine threat to the male hero who I hated and even killed and who tried to kill me, but now I'm a woman I just want to be with my fella. I also get jealous of pretty young girls like Osgood and Clara being near my fella, and every word out of my mouth is a flirtation or come on, my main weapon is literally a killer perfume, and on top of that I also cry and get more sensitive about things my male versions didn't like that AWFUL mawkish speech about "being kind", and the male hero doesn't really think I'm that bad unlike the male versions, because I'm just a woman with feelings. Yet in spite of all this feminists will claim I'm empowering and abuse the people who point these legit problems out as misogynistic man babies that need to get laid! I can throw every single aspect of the character I'm adapting out of the window. Decades of character development, his defining motivations, how he operates, his relationship with the hero, his sexuality, his gender, even the smallest character traits like powers and abilities and weapons, and despite these same youtubers eviscerating other adaptations of characters like Leto's Joker, Topher Grace's Venom for not being faithful enough for decades, they will say I'm the single most faithful version of the character there has ever been! Worse my creator, Steven Moffat can openly take the piss out of the character I'm supposed to be, say he hates it and that he only decided to write for him when he could change everything and they will say he understood the character better than any other writer, even Terrance Dicks because I'm Missy! I can be ridiculously OTT and play the character as a literal comedy character like Cathy from Two Doors Down. Seriously is that Missy or is that Missy? If she shot the woman who complained she'd be Missy! This is a popular type of character in Scottish comedy btw. The person who wants attention and is very unreasonable and often drunk. Michelle Gomez like a lot of Scottish actors clearly learned how to play it, and obviously just reused it for Missy. Hence why she staggered around looking pissed after killing Osgood. Yet people will say I brought nuance to the role and take the piss out of other actors like Anthony Ainley for being a bit too hammy by having an evil laugh. I can suddenly gain new powers and abilities as the plot demands like being able to teleport around the room when I killed Osgood, but everybody praises that as gripping television because I'm Missy. Give me a BAFTA! I can be the single most obvious case of pandering to fans in the history of the show, but official fandom who go crazy of Ian Levine correcting a few blips in the 1980s as being proof it died by pandering to the fans, and anti SJW fans who hate a trans girl being included as a new character will act like there was no pandering whatsoever with my inclusion and that I was perfectly fine because I'm Missy. I can completely undermine the heroes morality. Yeah firing a gun at a killer mutant in the 1980s, is totally unacceptable, but cosying up to a horrific murderer and justifying her genocidal claims as being no worse than someone eating a ham sandwich is perfectly fine and moving to these same fans. The Doctor feeling he'd misjudged Lytton who was forced to work with the Daleks (possibly through mind control,) but free of their control ended up being noble is too stupid to work, but feeling that he can redeem someone who kills grannies and harmless fan girls for the LOLS, eat kittens, shoot puppies, kill my friends loved ones, slice up old ladies, eat people, and wipe out trillions of planets, simply because they say they want to turn geeeeewwwwd and don't do shit after turning good, the same people will say it's a powerful redemption story, because I'm Missy. What's this, an extremely powerful death ray, if I were a normal character and fired this at my head, people would expect me to have some kind of superpower, shield or armour in order to be fine after, but since I'm Missy I can fire it at my head and be perfectly oka zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap  RIP Burrunjor, Hive member 2016 = 2024. If you want to dance on his grave or smoke his ashes, they're this way. |
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