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Post by rushy on Jan 17, 2024 21:31:42 GMT
given that Colin started off with great scripts and a good production team Colin started with the Twin Dilemma and that outfit. Doctor Who kissed its credibility goodbye after episode 1 of that story. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 21:35:11 GMT
given that Colin started off with great scripts and a good production team Colin started with the Twin Dilemma and that outfit. Doctor Who kissed its credibility goodbye after episode 1 of that story. At least the Sixth Doctor didn't look like someone who would be thrown out of the Queen Victoria for slagging off Peggy Mitchell to her face unlike a certain Doctor.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 21:42:17 GMT
I'm not sure how fans have the nerve to trash Colin's outfit and celebrate Eccleston's when his was literally just a leather jacket and a shite jumper they had probably nicked from Elstree.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 17, 2024 22:33:03 GMT
Twin Dilemma is as bad as Classic Who ever got. There is no defending it at all, however you know what's funny? It's shite for a lot of the same reasons that new who and its spin off material is shite.
It focuses too much on and messes about with regeneration as a concept. Regeneration works best when it is what it was invented for. A clever, but straight forward way to replace the actor and allow the character to be refreshed, but not completely changed so he is unrecognizable. That's it. It doesn't need ANYTHING else added to it, apart from the odd limitation so it doesn't make the Doctor too powerful, like he can only change 12 times, he can't regenerate if you shoot him in the head, stab him in the hearts, etc.
Twin Dilemma was the only time apart from The Watcher when they really added something else to the concept after fleshing it out (even then the Watcher isn't comparable as whilst stupid, it doesn't really mess with the concept that much.) However by having it that sometimes the Doctor isn't just a bit funny, but goes completely insane and starts choking people after regeneration, that brings a whole new dimension which opens the door for regeneration to f*ck about with his personality in future stories. It was hated for preciously that reason, with fans complaining that having it he can be changed by regeneration into an abusive psychopath meant that he had no character, though at least they pulled back in later stories by making out that the poison had damaged him so much, it wasn't a normal regeneration and that he eventually stabilized.
However New Who like I said does this shit all the time. They've had it that each Doctor dies, actually dies when he regenerates and they are therefore all different people, meaning one of them could be evil eventually, that his regeneration can blow up a Dalek fleet, that he creates new universes when he regenerates and there is now a f*cking multiverse created by the Doctor, that he can change sex, that he can turn into animals, that he can regrow hands, that he can regrow his body from just a head, and believe it or not that parody of the Doctor regenerating into a baby is NOT a parody.
In spin off material they have revealed that yes. Sometimes Time Lords regenerate into children! This happens to the Master twice. Yeah it turned out him being found as a baby, wasn't a false memory, that's what actually happened!
So yeah I'll give Rushy that Twin Dilemma is shit, but sorry new who is Twin Dilemma times 8 million.
Meanwhile season 22 shits on pretty much the bulk of New Who to be honest. I'd say season 3 rivals it, as does season 4 (despite by hatred of Donna) Matt Smith era exceeds it considerably, and yes season 10 probably exceeds it too. I'm not sure? I like the set up of the Doctor at a University and he and Bill are a wonderful pairing, more so than him and Peri, but still season 10 has Missy LOL.
Still season 22 is streets ahead of s1, 2, 8, 9, and anything since 10. In pretty much every way. Variety of stories, the Doctor being the Doctor, Colin's performance, and hell even the characterisation, in fact especially the characterisation. Give me Lytton over Jacki Tyler, Martha's mother whatever she was called, Mickey, Wilfred Mott (Bernard Cribbins was a great actor, but dear god do the domestics with the Noble's in End of Time bore me shitless and Wilf's blubbing with the Doctor is cringey.) Also Peri whilst admittedly useless, at least isn't deliberately made nasty like Rose being a bitch, and to be honest I'd take the Doctor and his companion arguing over them being a smug, hateful we're better than everyone schmoopy couple.
Also even the worst of S22, Timelash, whilst AWFUL has got some good ideas, plus Paul Darrow hamming it up. I'll take Darrow as a hammy villain over the disgusting and mean spirited Abzorbaloff.
(I might add despite all the hype and self loathing classic era fanboys saying RTD delivered us to glory, Colin's first season was a bigger success overall than Tennant's first season and his second in terms of viewers, so it seems a lot of people agreed with me LOL.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 22:38:13 GMT
Twin Dilemma is as bad as Classic Who ever got. There is no defending it at all, however you know what's funny? It's shite for a lot of the same reasons that new who and its spin off material is shite. It focuses too much on and messes about with regeneration as a concept. Regeneration works best when it is what it was invented for. A clever, but straight forward way to replace the actor and allow the character to be refreshed, but not completely changed so he is unrecognizable. That's it. It doesn't need ANYTHING else added to it, apart from the odd limitation so it doesn't make the Doctor too powerful, like he can only change 12 times, he can't regenerate if you shoot him in the head, stab him in the hearts, etc. Twin Dilemma was the only time apart from The Watcher when they really added something else to the concept after fleshing it out (even then the Watcher isn't comparable as whilst stupid, it doesn't really mess with the concept that much.) However by having it that sometimes the Doctor isn't just a bit funny, but goes completely insane and starts choking people after regeneration, that brings a whole new dimension which opens the door for regeneration to f*ck about with his personality in future stories. It was hated for preciously that reason, with fans complaining that having it he can be changed by regeneration into an abusive psychopath meant that he had no character, though at least they pulled back in later stories by making out that the poison had damaged him so much, it wasn't a normal regeneration and that he eventually stabilized. However New Who like I said does this shit all the time. They've had it that each Doctor dies, actually dies when he regenerates and they are therefore all different people, meaning one of them could be evil eventually, that his regeneration can blow up a Dalek fleet, that he creates new universes when he regenerates and there is now a f*cking multiverse created by the Doctor, that he can change sex, that he can turn into animals, that he can regrow hands, that he can regrow his body from just a head, and believe it or not that parody of the Doctor regenerating into a baby is NOT a parody. In spin off material they have revealed that yes. Sometimes Time Lords regenerate into children! This happens to the Master twice. Yeah it turned out him being found as a baby, wasn't a false memory, that's what actually happened! So yeah I'll give Rushy that Twin Dilemma is shit, but sorry new who is Twin Dilemma times 8 million. Meanwhile season 22 shits on pretty much the bulk of New Who to be honest. I'd say season 3 rivals it, as does season 4 (despite by hatred of Donna) Matt Smith era exceeds it considerably, and yes season 10 probably exceeds it too. I'm not sure? I like the set up of the Doctor at a University and he and Bill are a wonderful pairing, more so than him and Peri, but still season 10 has Missy LOL. Still season 22 is streets ahead of s1, 2, 8, 9, and anything since 10. In pretty much every way. Variety of stories, the Doctor being the Doctor, Colin's performance, and hell even the characterisation, in fact especially the characterisation. Give me Lytton over Jacki Tyler, Martha's mother whatever she was called, Mickey, Wilfred Mott (Bernard Cribbins was a great actor, but dear god do the domestics with the Noble's in End of Time bore me shitless and Wilf's blubbing with the Doctor is cringey.) Also even the worst of S22, Timelash, whilst AWFUL has got some good ideas, plus Paul Darrow hamming it up. I'll take Darrow as a hammy villain over the disgusting and mean spirited Abzorbaloff. It was a tacked on introduction story with a thin plot about slugs. It is shit, but it isn't offensively shit. We all know Season 22 came directly after and that was the shit. Idiots like RTD who theatrically proclaim the story to be "the beginning of the end" are dramatists. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 17, 2024 22:42:20 GMT
Twin Dilemma is as bad as Classic Who ever got. There is no defending it at all, however you know what's funny? It's shite for a lot of the same reasons that new who and its spin off material is shite. It focuses too much on and messes about with regeneration as a concept. Regeneration works best when it is what it was invented for. A clever, but straight forward way to replace the actor and allow the character to be refreshed, but not completely changed so he is unrecognizable. That's it. It doesn't need ANYTHING else added to it, apart from the odd limitation so it doesn't make the Doctor too powerful, like he can only change 12 times, he can't regenerate if you shoot him in the head, stab him in the hearts, etc. Twin Dilemma was the only time apart from The Watcher when they really added something else to the concept after fleshing it out (even then the Watcher isn't comparable as whilst stupid, it doesn't really mess with the concept that much.) However by having it that sometimes the Doctor isn't just a bit funny, but goes completely insane and starts choking people after regeneration, that brings a whole new dimension which opens the door for regeneration to f*ck about with his personality in future stories. It was hated for preciously that reason, with fans complaining that having it he can be changed by regeneration into an abusive psychopath meant that he had no character, though at least they pulled back in later stories by making out that the poison had damaged him so much, it wasn't a normal regeneration and that he eventually stabilized. However New Who like I said does this shit all the time. They've had it that each Doctor dies, actually dies when he regenerates and they are therefore all different people, meaning one of them could be evil eventually, that his regeneration can blow up a Dalek fleet, that he creates new universes when he regenerates and there is now a f*cking multiverse created by the Doctor, that he can change sex, that he can turn into animals, that he can regrow hands, that he can regrow his body from just a head, and believe it or not that parody of the Doctor regenerating into a baby is NOT a parody. In spin off material they have revealed that yes. Sometimes Time Lords regenerate into children! This happens to the Master twice. Yeah it turned out him being found as a baby, wasn't a false memory, that's what actually happened! So yeah I'll give Rushy that Twin Dilemma is shit, but sorry new who is Twin Dilemma times 8 million. Meanwhile season 22 shits on pretty much the bulk of New Who to be honest. I'd say season 3 rivals it, as does season 4 (despite by hatred of Donna) Matt Smith era exceeds it considerably, and yes season 10 probably exceeds it too. I'm not sure? I like the set up of the Doctor at a University and he and Bill are a wonderful pairing, more so than him and Peri, but still season 10 has Missy LOL. Still season 22 is streets ahead of s1, 2, 8, 9, and anything since 10. In pretty much every way. Variety of stories, the Doctor being the Doctor, Colin's performance, and hell even the characterisation, in fact especially the characterisation. Give me Lytton over Jacki Tyler, Martha's mother whatever she was called, Mickey, Wilfred Mott (Bernard Cribbins was a great actor, but dear god do the domestics with the Noble's in End of Time bore me shitless and Wilf's blubbing with the Doctor is cringey.) Also even the worst of S22, Timelash, whilst AWFUL has got some good ideas, plus Paul Darrow hamming it up. I'll take Darrow as a hammy villain over the disgusting and mean spirited Abzorbaloff. It was a tacked on introduction story with a thin plot about slugs. It is shit, but it isn't offensively shit. We all know Season 22 came directly after and that was the shit. Idiots like RTD who theatrically proclaim the story to be "the beginning of the end" are dramatists. The best thing is that they produced more full seasons of DW after Twin Dilemma than they did after Death in Heaven, and with fewer breaks in less than HALF that time, Five in four years vs four in ten years. Meanwhile RTD said after Death in Heaven that it would never, EVER be cancelled. |
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Post by Brian MK.II on Jan 17, 2024 22:47:53 GMT
given that Colin started off with great scripts and a good production team Colin started with the Twin Dilemma and that outfit. Doctor Who kissed its credibility goodbye after episode 1 of that story. - The End of Time's only fan. And I'm sorry Burrunjor but Season 22 pisses over everything in NuWho including Smith's era. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 17, 2024 22:48:01 GMT
Idiots like RTD who theatrically proclaim the story to be "the beginning of the end" are dramatists. Bit generous tbf... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 22:55:22 GMT
Idiots like RTD who theatrically proclaim the story to be "the beginning of the end" are dramatists. Bit generous tbf... Yeah, it was a bit PG wasn't it. Detestable twats like RTD who theatrically proclaim the story to be "the beginning of the end" are pricks of the highest order. That's a 12a, anyway. I'll leave the 18 version to someone else... |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 17, 2024 22:57:32 GMT
That's fine.
"Fatheaded Hack" i consider acceptable. But calling RTD a dramatist is just beyond the pale...
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 17, 2024 22:58:19 GMT
Colin started with the Twin Dilemma and that outfit. Doctor Who kissed its credibility goodbye after episode 1 of that story. - The End of Time's only fan.  And I'm sorry Burrunjor but Season 22 pisses over everything in NuWho including Smith's era. You know it's funny but End of Time and Twin Dilemma are quite alike. Let's see, both feature a narcissistic Doctor who is an absolute arsehole to his companion. Both feature ridiculous, campy villains you can't possibly take seriously from a deep voiced slug to Joker knock off that turns everyone on earth into copies of himself. Both feature an old figure from the Doctors past whose inclusion doesn't make sense, Azmahel and the Doctors mother. Both f*ck up the concept of regeneration, from making him go insane to making out that he dies when he regenerates. Both feature annoying and pointless supporting characters like those aliens and those two twins. Both are miserable as f*ck and quite disgusting from the slug villains, to shots of Simm guzzling chicken and slobbering everywhere. Both also feature the producers worst self indulgence on display, from RTD's I don't want to go, cameo fest, to Colin's coat. The only difference between them is at least the 6th Doctors asshole behavior is MEANT to be unsympathetic and he is called out for it, and at least the way it f*cked up regeneration was fixed more easily by it just being the poison had made him go mad, so it didn't need to cast a cloud over later regenerations the way Tennant's bullshit did. Meanwhile I prefer Matt, Amy and Rory to Colin and Peri, and think the Matt era at the very least kept the Doctor as the focus, and also that Matt's best stories are probably better than the best of season 22, whilst his worst don't eclipse Timelash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 23:00:09 GMT
Sorry, I thought dramatist was another word for a drama queen or something.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 17, 2024 23:00:52 GMT
Sorry, I thought dramatist was another word for a drama queen or something. In this case, it probably is... |
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Post by iank on Jan 17, 2024 23:31:50 GMT
lols
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Post by rushy on Jan 18, 2024 0:15:22 GMT
I'm not sure how fans have the nerve to trash Colin's outfit and celebrate Eccleston's when his was literally just a leather jacket and a shite jumper they had probably nicked from Elstree. One is actual clothes. The other is a clown costume. I don't see how fans would not have the nerve.  The End of Time's only fan Shamelessly. I've yet to see anyone elaborate on what's wrong about it other than they don't like John Simm playing the Master as a crazed lunatic, when the whole point is that he's at his lowest and most self-deprecating. Or that they don't like that the story treats regeneration as death, despite it being an infinitely more compelling take than Moffat treating it as flu. Meanwhile, Twin Dilemma suffers from excessively poor costume and set design, and Colin doing amateur theatrics. |
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