The Giggle

[Monster X]

Dec 10, 2023 15:12:07 GMT rushy said:

Dec 10, 2023 14:54:04 GMT Monster X said:

but I wonder how folk would have reacted if Jodie Whittaker's first appearance in the show had seen her tearing around the console room, with her bare legs and knickers showing?

joy

I don't really fancy JW but I understand the kind of joy you mean. 

[burrunjor]

Funny my mate Omie pointed out to me that it's quite funny RTD who is so careful not to stereotype made the Toymaker German to tap into the old cliche of Germans being bad guys LOL.

NPH's German accent was like the one Alan Partridge does on his radio show and is then told not to by his boss because it's racist LOL.

[zarius]

Dec 10, 2023 14:44:13 GMT burrunjor said:

You know I hate to say it, but he is a more embarrassing ambassador for the show than even Jodie. 

At least Jodie was doing a bad Tennant/Matt Smith impression. I don't know what the hell this is meant to be. 

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Dec 10, 2023 12:55:12 GMT cyberhat said:

Dec 10, 2023 11:37:11 GMT burrunjor said:

Viewers are 4,62 million for that episode and Ncuti Gatwa's first story. 

I'm not sure, but I think that is the lowest they have ever been for a first Doctor story? 

Even with the fiddled viewers, this will be lucky to scrape above 6 million. Like I said in the viewers thread, 6 million is worrying, whilst 4 million is crisis point. Either way it's not a good sign for the quadruple whammy of, a big American star (or so they think), the 60th anniversary special, David Tennant's finale, the first of a new Doctor. I mean how does an episode like that not get 10 million ffs? Moffat must be laughing his f*cking arse off at this stage. 

It's dead boys. We'll get two more series only because RTD insisted back when he had pull, but honestly. DW is toast. A part of me wonders if Ncuti's last series will just be tucked away in the summer death slot like Primeval series 5 was?

What would have been needed is a Doctor Who that distinguishes itself from the Chibnell era. The problem is that RTD2 just looks too much like the Chibnell era. The Chibnell era being a poor parody of RTD1. The old show survived on radical change. The new show never changes, never ever questions itself. So people are just sick of it. Humans can only put up with so much repetition.

Why is Doctor Who having an adult take so repellent to them? I believe Christopher Nolan was quite successful with his Batman series. 18 years in to Nupoo, not a sign of it. Still, let us celebrate, the Fitzroy is no longer a pub, it's a sinking ship.

Digital cinematography. Yuck

[cyberhat]

Film it any way you like just don't treat us all like idiots

[Spark Doll King]

I find it funny that JNT got lambasted for inserting himself into the character of the Doctor, and still is in some corners, yet RTD turns the Doctor into  his  hyper gay stereotype fantasy and we are all supposed to clap brain dead seals.

[iank]

Bingo.

[rushy]

Dec 10, 2023 23:05:04 GMT Spark Doll King said:

I find it funny that JNT got lambasted for inserting himself into the character of the Doctor, and still is in some corners, yet RTD turns the Doctor into  his  hyper gay stereotype fantasy and we are all supposed to clap brain dead seals.

One look at Davison, Colin and McCoy should dispel that theory. They're all entirely different from one another. 

Meanwhile, if you look at Matt Smith's performance in Sarah Jane Adventures, it's not the Eleventh Doctor at all. He plays the same RTD Doctor as Eccleston and Tennant. 

[cyberhat]

Suddenly hit me, RTD has a problem with black people for a man who keeps banging on about how woke he is. He really does. Martha's season was nothing but a tribute to the previous white companion. Now we've got a black Doctor Who, his whole era is going to overshadowed by a previous white Doctor on the substitutes bench. Centrist liberals like RTD are full of unconscious imperialism.

[henshin]

Gatwa is definitely receiving the second hand treatment.

So far:

1. He has been superimposed into An Adventure In Time And Space which, effectively, is just a hand-me-down moment that was originally Smith's. If they are serious about establishing the Gatwa brand, which they absolutely should be, then give the man his own moment. There were heaps of ways this could have been done. The Children In Need Special, as tone deaf as it was, with Davros would have been a good time.

2. He now exists in the same timeline simultaneous to a legacy Doctor who has his own TARDIS, and can travel space at any time. RTD knows that Tennant is, by a significant majority, a favourite Doctor. Did he not realise that he was sidelining Gatwa by doing this?

Capaldi understood this so much better:

[rushy]

I want a candid interview with Capaldi so freaking bad. I know it will probably never happen cause he's a gent, but I don't doubt he has some very spicy opinions about what the show's been since it came back

[henshin]

Is it true that during his first season he had an on-set tantrum about one of the scripts, only to order re-write of a scene on the spot?

[rushy]

Some lovely tidbits from Capaldi:

"I wanted to be a more distant and alien Doctor. Because that’s how I remember [first Doctor] William Hartnell, being a kid in Glasgow on dark winter nights when this strange figure with the white hair and slightly irate voice could open this portal to a magical world. The default now is a kind of cosmic imp. Which is great. But I wanted to touch the dark winter nights. I’m not sure whether the brand supports that any more, but that’s what I was interested in."

"I’m very thrilled to be there, every day I find it an extraordinarily privileged position to be in, to get up in the morning and go into work on the TARDIS or chase men in rubber suits down corridors and be part of all this, so I’m just happy to be there as long as people want me to be."

"Patrick Troughton was an extraordinarily naturalistic kind of actor, in this bizarre, strange, fantastical kind of show. In fact, actually playing the part now, I admire now what they all did on the show so much more. I get to work with CGI and prosthetics, you know the show looks better than it’s ever looked. Those guys were all there with bits of cardboard and fibreglass, and never for a second did their commitment to the truth of that falter. Jon Pertwee would throw the doors open and come storming in and you knew everything was going to be alright. He could read the telephone book and make it absolutely heroic. Tom Baker would always have you teetering on the edge of your seat, as to which way he was going to go, whether he would be the benevolent Time Lord, or the chaotic Harpo Marx type character. I think they all fed into my DNA as an actor."

"I love Matt (Smith) and David (Tennant) and Chris Eccleston, but I think there had been a tendency for the Doctor to be quite user-friendly. I wanted him to be more distant, more difficult to be around because I thought he was an alien. I didn’t think he was a guy. I didn’t think he was just someone you would meet somewhere. Because when I grew up, Doctor Who wasn’t like that. He wasn’t a person you would meet in the street. He was a weird alien creature. So, I think it took them a while to do that and then figure out you could do that and also be funny and be affectionate and witty and clever and all that.

So, for me he’s the same but I get why people think he’s different. I love what we did in my first season. When I look at those now, he’s really tough. And without that, the rest of them wouldn’t have existed. We couldn’t just come in and be light and friendly and all that. We had to come in and be stranger.”

"There was an actor called Robert James who plays Lesterson in Power of the Daleks, who was the scientist, who was a great, great friend of mine. I never talked to him about it. I don’t think he realised how important it was to people. It is so weird for me to see him appear in the little trailer, because he was a great friend, and to see him animated is very sweet."

"Between my first and second seasons, I said it’d be fun if the Doctor had a guitar to plug into the Tardis console. It was just an idea, I never dreamed it would happen. I imagined the Doctor might have invented the wah-wah pedal. We could’ve done an historical episode where he met Jimi Hendrix and introduced him to this piece of alien technology. I also thought there could be a great blues episode. When Robert Johnson meets the devil at the crossroads, the Doctor could discover something extraterrestrial going on."

"I always think that’s one of the most haunting moments in the show is William Hartnell leaving Susan behind, and I wish we could somehow echo that and bring it back, or do something with that."

"You know, the universe is very dark. And inevitably that is where he will wind up, inevitably the darkness he will have to fight. He will have to face terrible things. So, rather than going “oh no, I have to face something terrible…” I always think he’s a very joyful character, I think he can find the joy in just sitting in a carpark watching the sun coming up, feeling the wind. These are amazing, these kinds of beautiful things to him, and he’s impatient when people don’t get that."

"I kind of have this sack full of guilt, because I simply can’t do everything. You can’t. So I try to do what I can but to be honest, there’s probably going to be a time when I’m going to have to say I’m going to pull back because you won’t have enough time to do the show. But I stress again that I don’t think I do any more than anybody else."


"For me, obviously to get to play the Doctor, the whole things is a delight. Some of my favourite moments are when we reveal something of the Doctor’s more alien nature. For instance, in Kill the Moon when he’s able to look in to time and read it, and communicate that, I think that was fun to do."

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Dec 11, 2023 1:35:34 GMT henshin said:

Is it true that during his first season he had an on-set tantrum about one of the scripts, only to order re-write of a scene on the spot?

Gatwa or Capaldi?

[henshin]

Dec 11, 2023 3:08:26 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Dec 11, 2023 1:35:34 GMT henshin said:

Is it true that during his first season he had an on-set tantrum about one of the scripts, only to order re-write of a scene on the spot?

Gatwa or Capaldi?

Capaldi.