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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 20:25:56 GMT
But we had him back in 2017. How is the show supposed to survive if it keeps going back to the same people again and again and again. Cast someone else as the Master. All about change remember. Except when it's not. All about the Fitzroy Crowd basically. |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:26:43 GMT
WOW so in addition to writing out the Doctor, he undermined the Master to big up a boring, stupid one off, one note villain from a crappy wiped story, played by a guy who abused his wife in the original and a guy who makes weird cannibal platters in the revival. Good call RTD. I'm honestly starting to think that he must hate DW. I mean why else would he write out the original character? They're meant to be twins, sort of like how in Farscape they split Crichton into two identical people. Although Tennant is supposedly still meant to become Gatwa some day (they mention his therapy is why Gatwa's version is so carefree), so I don't f*cking know. Don't see why you would hate the Toymaker concept, it's quite cool honestly, and you could tell a lot of really clever stories with the idea. I love that he's actually bound to the rules of the games he plays. |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:27:43 GMT
But we had him back in 2017. How is the show supposed to survive if it keeps going back to the same people again and again and again. Cast someone else as the Master. If we had Ainley for years and years, we can have more John Simm stories. He's better than any non-Derek Jacobi Master in New Who anyway. |
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 20:28:22 GMT
Russel just confirmed on the i-player commentary that the bi-regeneration retroactively kicked in for all classic and modern Doctors.
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:29:08 GMT
Russel just confirmed on the i-player commentary that the bi-regeneration retroactively kicked in for all classic and modern Doctors. which means what, exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:31:26 GMT
But we had him back in 2017. How is the show supposed to survive if it keeps going back to the same people again and again and again. Cast someone else as the Master. If we had Ainley for years and years, we can have more John Simm stories. He's better than any non-Derek Jacobi Master in New Who anyway. But Simm had his time in the sun. If they want to breath new life into the series they should stop getting older incarnations back. Why can't a talented new actor play him? |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:34:36 GMT
If we had Ainley for years and years, we can have more John Simm stories. He's better than any non-Derek Jacobi Master in New Who anyway. But Simm had his time in the sun. If they want to breath new life into the series they should stop getting older incarnations back. Why can't a talented new actor play him? There's no reason they can't, but I don't think it's necessarily a crime to bring back a proven and popular actor either. It's not like they just suddenly stop being good actors lol |
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 20:35:57 GMT
Russel just confirmed on the i-player commentary that the bi-regeneration retroactively kicked in for all classic and modern Doctors. which means what, exactly? Meaning none of them died at the moment of regeneration any longer, they simply split in two, separate their TARDISES (presumably that's what the mallet is always going to be for now), and be off on their separate adventures, being allowed to grow beyond their original lifespan. |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:38:31 GMT
which means what, exactly? Meaning none of them died at the moment of regeneration any longer, they simply split in two, separate their TARDISES (presumably that's what the mallet is always going to be for now), and be off on their separate adventures, being allowed to grow beyond their original lifespan. Whatever happened to "I don't wanna go"?  |
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Post by medicusitic on Dec 9, 2023 20:41:57 GMT
But we had him back in 2017. How is the show supposed to survive if it keeps going back to the same people again and again and again. Cast someone else as the Master. If we had Ainley for years and years, we can have more John Simm stories. He's better than any non-Derek Jacobi Master in New Who anyway. Ainley was a good actor, Simm was not. The Simm master isn't worthy to shine the boots of the Ainley master. Ainley played the role of the master like the master, Simm is playing a druggie who is so high he thinks he is the master. If you think Simm was an appropriate cast and character for the master and the 9th Doctor was great, but some how Davidson, Colin Baker, and Slyvester McCoy were bad casts then maybe you have rose colored glasses for the RTD years.
With NuWho fans its "Doctor Who" is about change when they ruin something from the classic show like how RTD ruined the Doctor in 2005, the master in 2007, the daleks in 2005, and the cyberman in 2006. But when it comes to the RTD era those things have to be sent in stone and can never change.
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:44:39 GMT
I don't think Davison and McCoy were bad casts (although Davison was a little too young). Colin, unfortunately, yes. I'd rather have Simm as the Master than Colin as the Doctor. Or actually, Simm as the Doctor and Colin as the Master would work quite well.
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Post by medicusitic on Dec 9, 2023 20:45:41 GMT
which means what, exactly? Meaning none of them died at the moment of regeneration any longer, they simply split in two, separate their TARDISES (presumably that's what the mallet is always going to be for now), and be off on their separate adventures, being allowed to grow beyond their original lifespan. So when is this supposed to take place? The 1st->2nd, 3rd->4th, 4th->5th, 5th->6th, and 7th->8th Doctors all die and immediate go on another adventure. Where the Doctor have time to split his Tardis in the TV movie? Where was John Pertwee in Robot? The levels of contrivances are bizarre and unreal. So they are 14 classic doctors? Two separate versions of each Doctor? The only reason I can think he did this is if he intends to further tarnish classic who and have old doctors show up with the wrong characterization and spewing left wing politics.
So how many tennichs does that give us? Tennich 1.0, Human Tennich, Tennich 2.0, Tennich 14, and the biregenerated Tennich. A total of 5, he can have his own 5 Doctors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:47:22 GMT
I don't think Davison and McCoy were bad casts (although Davison was a little too young). Colin, unfortunately, yes. I'd rather have Simm as the Master than Colin as the Doctor. Or actually, Simm as the Doctor and Colin as the Master would work quite well. Imo Colin was one of the better actors to have portrayed the Doctor; he really is like Classic Who's Capaldi in that he's a great actor who carries bad scripts and makes them special and memorable. I just hate how much he's toned down for series 23 though, some of his 22 moments are spectacular. |
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 20:48:48 GMT
Here's a transcript of what RTD said
RTD: So then, the whole timeline bi-regenerated. Sylvester McCoy woke up in a drawer in a morgue... and Jon Pertwee woke up on the floor of the laboratory.
Phil: And Colin Baker got out up and sorted the Rani out
RTD: Yes, he did. And they all did.
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Post by medicusitic on Dec 9, 2023 20:51:15 GMT
OK, I might have heard something incorrectly, here's a transcript of what RTD said RTD: So then, the whole timeline bi-regenerated. Sylvester McCoy woke up in a drawer in a morgue... and Jon Pertwee woke up on the floor of the laboratory. Phil: And Colin Baker got out up and sorted the Rani out RTD: Yes, he did. And they all did. This is going to be an excuse to change the character of the classic doctors. This is just bizarre why do this? This just introduces so much confusion and disarray to the timeline for no reason.
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