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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 12:10:58 GMT
burrunjor. thankyou very much for putting me in my place with that U.S history lesson, It was foolhardy of me to downplay the significant impact of the U.S Doctor Who fandom around the time the classic show aired. Yeah LOL sorry for the pompous rant, but it is a bit of DW history that is overlooked. Much like the myth of Tennant being the most popular. |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 19:45:38 GMT
I loved Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker (sorry Burrunjor! He may be a shithead, but he's a good actor)
Everything else was pret-ty bad. Mel was just randomly in it and we had no focus on her at all. The bi-generation thing makes no sense to me at all. Like, they imply that Ncuti's Doctor is mentally well because Tennant's is getting therapy, so is Tennant still supposed to turn into Ncuti at some point? I don't follow the logic.
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 19:51:31 GMT
Blimey, I feel like I already watched this one a thousand times, because all the original leaks posted months back were right.
Bi-generations are a thing now, rehab in the wrong order, Tennant gets to live and retire with the Nobles, calls Shaun Noble his son-in-law and Rose his niece. Turns out returning to his old face wasn't the doing of the Toymaker, just the mind suggesting he stop and smell the roses with Donna.
There's not much to the Toymaker here at all, there's
According to Mel, Glitz died in his 100s a streaming drunk after tripping over a bottle.
We got Amy, Clara, and Bill cameos...as puppets. Rory wasn't included or mentioned.
And we got a new incarnation of The Master that I guarantee you some Nuwho grifters who say is better than Delgado and even Missy. Too bad Rusty went and rehashed the ending of Last of the Time Lords with a mystery woman picking up the tooth at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 19:57:32 GMT
There was a ten minute spell where I thought, "hey, this is entertaining" but by the end I just wanted it to be over. I love Mel but her being there is ultimately pointless and NPH's fake German accent got on my nerves. He isn't the Toymaker really. I never imagined while watching The Celestial Toymaker that the character would one day dance to the Spice Girls, but I suppose anything is possible with RTD in charge. Ncuti didn't do much for me though I'm glad to see the back of Tennant honestly. It all felt a bit small especially compared to Day of the Doctor ten years ago.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 20:11:23 GMT
I watched the last 10 or so mins. I got tempted when my friends said that yes the bi regeneration is actually true LMFAO.
I feel vindicated in all honesty. I've been saying for years that all of the bullshit retcons the Fitzroy Crowd keep making will take it to the point where the Doctor will no longer feel like the same character anymore, and now literally that is what has happened. The original Doctor has been written out and an imposter has taken his place. If any fan defends this as a good idea my head will explode. I mean Jesus Christ it's one thing to straight up lie and say that a classic villain being desecrated like Missy is good, but if you defend the actual leading character being written out of it, why did you ever like this show in the first place?
Also sorry but Gatwa is eh, not good. He plays it exactly like you'd think. The camp gay best friend. He even kissed Tennant, and he spent the bulk of the episode in his underpants. RTD is so f*cking horny isn't he? I didn't see anything about the Master. Who played him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:11:41 GMT
Christmas special looks... erm... err...
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:13:43 GMT
I didn't see anything about the Master. Who played him? He doesn't actually appear. The Master has been trapped in the Toymaker's gold tooth (possible reference to "Destiny of the Doctors"...? Ainley mentioned encountering the Toymaker). At the end of the episode, the tooth is picked up by an unseen lady, and we hear the laughter of Delgado, Simm and Gomez in the background. An obvious homage to the end of "Last of the Time Lords". Evidently, the cult of Saxon still thrives... |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 20:15:55 GMT
Jesus Christ that intro. LMFAO RTD is such a narcissist. Why can't he write about anything but gay people? I get it that some writers have certain topics that they enjoy coming back to. I'd be a hypocrite if I said that I wasn't like that. Still it's all he can write about. It's incredible. I've never seen such a one track writer, and it's so narcissistic because it comes entirely from the fact that he is gay. PS if it's not gay characters he's writing for, then he has to make Wales the centre of everything.
To be fair it's a trait of the Fitzroy writers. Steven Moffat was really no better. He was a shagger back in the day, so he had to have the Doctor similarly be a womanizer. He also was Scottish, so everybody in it had to be Scottish. Maybe it's not narcissism, and maybe it's just because they're all so unimaginative and such narrow thinkers they can't see beyond their own limited horizon?
Either way it's so tedious and further proof that NONE of them should have been allowed within 100 miles of DW in all honesty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:18:03 GMT
I didn't see anything about the Master. Who played him? He doesn't actually appear. The Master has been trapped in the Toymaker's gold tooth (possible reference to "Destiny of the Doctors"...? Ainley mentioned encountering the Toymaker). At the end of the episode, the tooth is picked up by an unseen lady, and we hear the laughter of Delgado, Simm and Gomez in the background. An obvious homage to the end of "Last of the Time Lords". Evidently, the cult of Saxon still thrives... Honestly I hope Sacha Dhawan gets another chance, though I know it's unlikely. Dude was the standout of the Chibnall era |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 20:20:32 GMT
I didn't see anything about the Master. Who played him? He doesn't actually appear. The Master has been trapped in the Toymaker's gold tooth (possible reference to "Destiny of the Doctors"...? Ainley mentioned encountering the Toymaker). At the end of the episode, the tooth is picked up by an unseen lady, and we hear the laughter of Delgado, Simm and Gomez in the background. An obvious homage to the end of "Last of the Time Lords". Evidently, the cult of Saxon still thrives... WOW so in addition to writing out the Doctor, he undermined the Master to big up a boring, stupid one off, one note villain from a crappy wiped story, played by a guy who abused his wife in the original and a guy who makes weird cannibal platters in the revival. Good call RTD. I'm honestly starting to think that he must hate DW. I mean why else would he write out the original character? Maybe he never got over Andrew Cartmel's bitchy rejection letter. f*cking hell did Andrew artmel sum up RTD back in the 80s, telling him. "You'd be better placed writing a more proziac story a man, his mortgage and his dog." f*ck me is that apt. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:20:47 GMT
I think I've just been tricked too many times. I really wanted to like this episode, but most of it was so flat and lifeless. What is there about the Christmas special to get curious about? We've already seen Ncuti in action. I don't think watching him dance it up in a nightclub is something I really want to be doing on Christmas evening.
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 20:21:25 GMT
I didn't see anything about the Master. Who played him? He doesn't actually appear. The Master has been trapped in the Toymaker's gold tooth (possible reference to "Destiny of the Doctors"...? Ainley mentioned encountering the Toymaker). At the end of the episode, the tooth is picked up by an unseen lady, and we hear the laughter of Delgado, Simm and Gomez in the background. An obvious homage to the end of "Last of the Time Lords". Evidently, the cult of Saxon still thrives... This is how we get John Simm back isn't it? |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 20:23:08 GMT
I think I've just been tricked too many times. I really wanted to like this episode, but most of it was so flat and lifeless. What is there about the Christmas special to get curious about? We've already seen Ncuti in action. I don't think watching him dance it up in a nightclub is something I really want to be doing on Christmas evening. Don't watch the Christmas special. It isn't even DW anymore. I mean it never was, but now it isn't even the same lead character. It's a spin off. |
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Post by rushy on Dec 9, 2023 20:24:25 GMT
He doesn't actually appear. The Master has been trapped in the Toymaker's gold tooth (possible reference to "Destiny of the Doctors"...? Ainley mentioned encountering the Toymaker). At the end of the episode, the tooth is picked up by an unseen lady, and we hear the laughter of Delgado, Simm and Gomez in the background. An obvious homage to the end of "Last of the Time Lords". Evidently, the cult of Saxon still thrives... This is how we get John Simm back isn't it? If we do, I'll forgive RTD everything. I f*cking love John Simm in this role, and I'm not ashamed of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 20:25:14 GMT
But we had him back in 2017. How is the show supposed to survive if it keeps going back to the same people again and again and again. Cast someone else as the Master.
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