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Post by iank on Dec 8, 2023 6:10:28 GMT
No he isn't, and he never was. Also now a total foaming at the mouth nutter to boot.
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Post by zarius on Dec 8, 2023 8:02:07 GMT
You're right. America isn't known for having TV, access to the Internet, newspapers etc. Doctor Who isn't everywhere on TV, the internet or the newspapers. He might also forget about hearing it because it isn't of any relevance to him, similar to how I always tune out whatever Peaky Blinders is supposed to be. Yeah, Doctor Who was always a fixture on super niche "pledge" PBS stations in the 70s-90s, it didn't hit the mainstream over there until 2010...and even then the show didn't air on a major network, just BBC America or SPACE in Canada. |
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Post by zarius on Dec 8, 2023 11:14:59 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 8, 2023 11:47:23 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if he's putting the finishing touches on a Bernard Cribbins corpse cake right now. I don't appreciate you enough LOL. |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 8, 2023 11:55:28 GMT
Doctor Who isn't everywhere on TV, the internet or the newspapers. He might also forget about hearing it because it isn't of any relevance to him, similar to how I always tune out whatever Peaky Blinders is supposed to be. Yeah, Doctor Who was always a fixture on super niche "pledge" PBS stations in the 70s-90s, it didn't hit the mainstream over there until 2010...and even then the show didn't air on a major network, just BBC America or SPACE in Canada. Sorry but I have to discredit this myth. New Who was not more popular in America than old who. Classic Who in the 90s pulled in over 9 million viewers and the DW fan club of America was the biggest in the world. In Matt Smith's time when it was at its most popular stateside, it only got 2 million. Neither were mainstream, both were genre, niche "hits" in America, on the level of say Xena or Buffy or Supernatural (both of which were shown on smaller networks. To be fair classic who got higher viewers than any of those three shows ever did, whilst New Who got on average for a while at least higher viewers than Supernatural, but never as much as Buffy or Xena. Again you can maybe chalk a lot of that up to changes in viewing habits, but overall I'd say it evens itself out.) The only difference is that the BBC didn't mention its success in America as much during the 80s and later tried to downplay it in the 90s to trash the 80s reputation, whilst in the 2010s they pushed it as a big super, mainstream hit. Ultimately fans bought into it sadly. The truth however is very different. I can back all of this up. Meanwhile for NPH to have never heard of DW is very unusual. He moves in geek circles (which is a large part of why I grew to hate aspects of sci fi fandom, as they kiss his arse, whilst banning others like our beloved Gina.) He's been to conventions lots of times, was really in with the hipster 2010s crowd, so for him to not have any knowledge of what DW is, quite frankly is bullshit. Also has he not done some work for British tv anyway, like the other RTD show he was in? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 13:19:52 GMT
See, that's the type of thing I want to see from an anniversary special. Nice flashback scene. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 13:25:19 GMT
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Post by zarius on Dec 8, 2023 14:13:19 GMT
So Tennant and Tate part ways? Maybe that means he doesn't settle down with Donna and 'retire' like the leaks suggest |
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Post by zarius on Dec 8, 2023 15:28:05 GMT
Should point out The Giggle screeners were cut for critics, about fifteen minutes are missing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 16:21:29 GMT
Extended version of that scene
I'm so glad he drops that German accent. It's absolutely appalling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 17:22:02 GMT
Yeah, Doctor Who was always a fixture on super niche "pledge" PBS stations in the 70s-90s, it didn't hit the mainstream over there until 2010...and even then the show didn't air on a major network, just BBC America or SPACE in Canada. Sorry but I have to discredit this myth. New Who was not more popular in America than old who. Classic Who in the 90s pulled in over 9 million viewers and the DW fan club of America was the biggest in the world. In Matt Smith's time when it was at its most popular stateside, it only got 2 million. Neither were mainstream, both were genre, niche "hits" in America, on the level of say Xena or Buffy or Supernatural (both of which were shown on smaller networks. To be fair classic who got higher viewers than any of those three shows ever did, whilst New Who got on average for a while at least higher viewers than Supernatural, but never as much as Buffy or Xena. Again you can maybe chalk a lot of that up to changes in viewing habits, but overall I'd say it evens itself out.) The only difference is that the BBC didn't mention its success in America as much during the 80s and later tried to downplay it in the 90s to trash the 80s reputation, whilst in the 2010s they pushed it as a big super, mainstream hit. Ultimately fans bought into it sadly. The truth however is very different. I can back all of this up. Meanwhile for NPH to have never heard of DW is very unusual. He moves in geek circles (which is a large part of why I grew to hate aspects of sci fi fandom, as they kiss his arse, whilst banning others like our beloved Gina.) He's been to conventions lots of times, was really in with the hipster 2010s crowd, so for him to not have any knowledge of what DW is, quite frankly is bullshit. Also has he not done some work for British tv anyway, like the other RTD show he was in? The "lost" generation of American Classic Who fans is really fascinating tbh |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 8, 2023 23:23:45 GMT
Sorry but I have to discredit this myth. New Who was not more popular in America than old who. Classic Who in the 90s pulled in over 9 million viewers and the DW fan club of America was the biggest in the world. In Matt Smith's time when it was at its most popular stateside, it only got 2 million. Neither were mainstream, both were genre, niche "hits" in America, on the level of say Xena or Buffy or Supernatural (both of which were shown on smaller networks. To be fair classic who got higher viewers than any of those three shows ever did, whilst New Who got on average for a while at least higher viewers than Supernatural, but never as much as Buffy or Xena. Again you can maybe chalk a lot of that up to changes in viewing habits, but overall I'd say it evens itself out.) The only difference is that the BBC didn't mention its success in America as much during the 80s and later tried to downplay it in the 90s to trash the 80s reputation, whilst in the 2010s they pushed it as a big super, mainstream hit. Ultimately fans bought into it sadly. The truth however is very different. I can back all of this up. Meanwhile for NPH to have never heard of DW is very unusual. He moves in geek circles (which is a large part of why I grew to hate aspects of sci fi fandom, as they kiss his arse, whilst banning others like our beloved Gina.) He's been to conventions lots of times, was really in with the hipster 2010s crowd, so for him to not have any knowledge of what DW is, quite frankly is bullshit. Also has he not done some work for British tv anyway, like the other RTD show he was in? The "lost" generation of American Classic Who fans is really fascinating tbh Well basically it goes DW caught on in America from 1978 on. There had been some showings of Jon Pertwee stories before, but they didn't find an audience as a lot of people felt they were too British, and they were shown at random and out of order. Prior to that they couldn't have shown the Hartnell's and Troughtons because they were in black and white and so the Beeb just gave up. After Star Wars made sci fi trendy, they tried again and with a more streamlined transmission of Tom's stories it worked. By the early 80s DW was a big hit, by genre standards in America. It would pull in over 9 million in viewers, the DW fan club was the biggest in the world, and surprisingly up to 80 percent of its fans were women. Also contrary to popular belief, there was DW merchandise in America during the 80s too. In fact Jelly Babies in America were sold as "Doctor Who's favourite food" on the packets and "the intergalactic sweets." (Women and their appreciation of sci fi has always been misinterpreted too. There is some truth that men enjoy the genre more, in that men are more obsessive overall. Hence why there are more male serial killers! Still in a less dark scenario, men's obsessive nature can be an asset, and it certainly leads to us being obsessive fanboys. I don't think you get as many female collectors like Ian Levine for instance. Still evidently women do still enjoy the genre as everyone needs a bit of imaginative fiction and there are some fandoms and areas of fandom where women actually dominate! I understand why fangirls hate things like The Big Bang Theory that make out that sci fi or any kind of imaginative fiction to a woman, is like holy water to a vampire LOL.) A lot of DW's fans were Trekkies. I've said before how Trekkie's can be assholes to other shows for not being as cerebral as Star Trek, but for some reason they seemed to welcome DW fans with open arms and really helped to push the show. Contrary to what some may write DW and Star Trek are not rivals. They are best friends in terms of fandoms and behind the scenes cast and crew. Lots of actors from both series became really friendly as a result of shared conventions. Jon Pertwee and James Doohan became very close for instance. Also Paul Darrow, whilst obviously a Blake's 7 star became really close with Nichelle Nicholis and even kissed her on stage LOL. That was still as a result of DW and Star Trek as B7 being the other British show got in on the act via DW. It was like DW's little brother LOL. I think the friendship may have come more from DW fans as for all our faults, we have always been really good to other series, like Blake's 7, Buffy etc, so I suspect it was more a case of a lot of them also liked Star Trek (which remember was huge in the UK, ironically bigger at that point than it ever had been in the US. ) Either way Trekkie's helped us get our foot in the door Stateside. There's an interview where Jon Pertwee talks about it. However sadly it came to an end in the late 80s when the BBC raised prices of the stories to the point where nobody could buy them. Most likely in another attempt to finish the show. As a result of this McCoy wasn't seen stateside for like ten years. Very few even knew who he was in the 96 movie. Still the show did maintain a fandom in America as Pertwee talks about conventions there in the 90s. Also every story that exists was released on video and DVD in the 90s and 00s. It also remained a fairly recognizable character. You see parodies of the show in lots of American series in the 90s and early 00s, in The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, Saturday Night Live, Xena the Warrior Princess (the time travel effect when Xena is sent through time is modelled on Tom's opening credits) Buffy, South Park, and a few big figures like George Lucas, Matt Groening and Steven Spielberg were big fans. Again its popularity Stateside was not the same as it was here where it is something everybody knows and is on the main channel. It's popularity was more comparable to say Buffy, or Angel, though again it got bigger viewers than they did and has actually been spoofed more often. Still for a genre show that's about as good as you could hope for, even more for a foreign genre show. The Matt Smith era meanwhile had EXACTLY the same type of popularity. IE big for a genre show but not mainstream, (I'd say new who was also aided by fans of Supernatural the same way the original was by Trekkies. I'm not quite sure why New Who became Supernatural's best friend as they aren't really alike but still.) However New Who had smaller viewers than Tom, but to be fair viewers were down in general by that point, and New Who's fandom stateside was more visible at that point thanks to the Internet. Still you can see how it is all the BBC's bias against old who (because they don't want to admit they f*cked up) and bias for New Who, made by their darlings that often rewrites the narrative to the point where most fans buy into it. Both have the same level of success, but Old Who's is downplayed to fringe, New Who's is built up to mainstream. |
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Post by zarius on Dec 9, 2023 5:45:50 GMT
burrunjor. thankyou very much for putting me in my place with that U.S history lesson, It was foolhardy of me to downplay the significant impact of the U.S Doctor Who fandom around the time the classic show aired.
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Post by Genkimonk on Dec 9, 2023 11:16:07 GMT
1. f*ck America
2. Hi guys, long time no see.
3. How do you think RTD is going to f*ck up this one?
Honestly, I said to myself I wouldn't watch, but then I saw the trailer and had to brush up on the past 2 eps. My God RTD f*cked it up more than I could imagine. But this is what I don't get, so please explain it to me.
A. The BBC know Jodie alienated the audience and caused it to decline.
B. They brought back RTD to steer the ship back on course.
C. Tennant is obviously back to try and boost raitings further. So the BBC clearly know this is their last chance. RTD, Tennant, an anniversary year, a time to unite the fans and revive the show.
SO WHY DID THE BBC LET RTD DO SO MUCH f*ckING DAMAGE IN HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND POLITICAL INSERTS. It's baffles me. You had everything to win back the brain dead morons who liked New Who, and you even had a bigger budget. You didn't need to do anything new, just stick to simple stories, and avoid politics and woke crap that plagued the Jodie era. A verrrrrrrrrrrrry easy thing to do.
And he still f*cked it up. HOW? Did no one at the BBC even check in on RTD?
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 9, 2023 12:10:19 GMT
1. f*ck America 2. Hi guys, long time no see. 3. How do you think RTD is going to f*ck up this one? Honestly, I said to myself I wouldn't watch, but then I saw the trailer and had to brush up on the past 2 eps. My God RTD f*cked it up more than I could imagine. But this is what I don't get, so please explain it to me. A. The BBC know Jodie alienated the audience and caused it to decline. B. They brought back RTD to steer the ship back on course. C. Tennant is obviously back to try and boost raitings further. So the BBC clearly know this is their last chance. RTD, Tennant, an anniversary year, a time to unite the fans and revive the show. SO WHY DID THE BBC LET RTD DO SO MUCH f*ckING DAMAGE IN HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND POLITICAL INSERTS. It's baffles me. You had everything to win back the brain dead morons who liked New Who, and you even had a bigger budget. You didn't need to do anything new, just stick to simple stories, and avoid politics and woke crap that plagued the Jodie era. A verrrrrrrrrrrrry easy thing to do. And he still f*cked it up. HOW? Did no one at the BBC even check in on RTD? Genkimonk great to see you back. You always reminded me a bit of my dad due to your seething hatred of America, and RTD LOL. To be honest a lot of your rants about RTD matched his almost beat for beat to the point where I thought it was my dad just trolling me haha. I'd be very interested to hear what you thought about RTD's shit revision of Davros. Meanwhile as for why they let RTD cause so much damage, well I did a thread about it, Timeline of New Who's destruction. Basically they bought into the myth of him being a genius, sadly it's as simple as that and since he has always been a bully that wants everything done his way (to the point where Eccelston would rather torpedo his own career that put up with it.) They just let the genius do whatever he wanted and well the results speak for themselves. |
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