Anyone got the poll results?

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Can anyone who buys DWM let us know what the stories poll results are please? Can't find them anywhere. Apparently they're in the copy published today.

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Found it https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/17qvyxs/the_doctor_who_magazine_top_10_results_are_out/


Two Capaldi stories at the top (Heaven sent and The Doctor Falls)  Remembrance at number nine, Genesis, Caves and City are all the other classics in the top ten.

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1. Heaven Sent
2. World Enough and Time
3. Genesis of the Daleks
4. The Caves of Androzani
5. Day of the Doctor
6. Blink
7. Human Nature
8. City of Death
9. Remembrance of the Daleks
10. Silence in the Library

[burrunjor]

This is without doubt the worst poll I've ever seen for any show and I'm not exaggerating. Overrated shit like Human Nature is STILL making its way into the top ten. That is so f*cking depressing. It's utter absolute bollocks.

Meanwhile for any story with Missy being anywhere near the top ten is an insult to the show itself. It's like rating Austin Powers as one of the best serious Bond movies.

Also having more new who stories than classic who is a joke too. I'm convinced this is a fix. A sneaky way of saying the gender change was successful by sneaking in some Capaldi's that pushed that crap. They'd never dare put a Jodie in.

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Nov 9, 2023 11:41:16 GMT burrunjor said:

This is without doubt the worst poll I've ever seen for any show and I'm not exaggerating. Overrated shit like Human Nature is STILL making its way into the top ten. That is so f*cking depressing. It's utter absolute bollocks.

Meanwhile for any story with Missy being anywhere near the top ten is an insult to the show itself. It's like rating Austin Powers as one of the best serious Bond movies.

Also having more new who stories than classic who is a joke too. I'm convinced this is a fix. A sneaky way of saying the gender change was successful by sneaking in some Capaldi's that pushed that crap. They'd never dare put a Jodie in.

It is a fix. They did that thing where they asked people to pick five stories to put in the top ten. I very much doubt some of those stories would be there otherwise. Day of the Doctor is shite. 

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Sadly I think one day there will be no classics in the top ten. I think most classic fans would have stopped reading at the time of the 70th poll with the main readers being NuWho lovers.

[burrunjor]

Nov 9, 2023 11:52:05 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

Sadly I think one day there will be no classics in the top ten. I think most classic fans would have stopped reading at the time of the 70th poll with the main readers being NuWho lovers.

Classic Who will outlast New Who considerably don't worry. New Who is a success the same way the Zigma experiments were. A cheap accomplishment (acceptance from mainstream hacks, technically travelling backwards in time.) But in both cases the true form has been left mangled beyond recognition. 

[RobFilth]

Good to see there's no Ecclesbone or Shittaker rubbish in there, surprising that top 2 slots are Capaldi ones, HTF did that shite "Day of the Doctor" get in there though? It's terrible!

ClassicWho poorly represented with only two Tom Baker stories, a Davison and McCoy one.

Rubbish.

[Monster X]

What an insane, upside-down world  - World Enough And Time is ranked above The Caves Of Androzani...

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World Enough and Time isn't even that good, it relies a good deal on the inherent horror of the Cybermen as well as the return of the Master. On its own, it doesn't really stand up as a cogent story, more so a collection of captivating scenes that could have been edited into something great.

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I watched the first part of World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls earlier. Some of it is very silly like Missy doing a dab and that stupid, "Doctor Who" nonsense which isn't as funny as Moffat thinks it is. I do however like the horror of it and as a lover of the Mondasian Cybermen I enjoy their return very much. I've always maintained they're the creepiest Cybermen. It's a highlight of Capaldi's run for sure, but second best story ever made? As Monster X says, it's not even in the same league as Caves of Androzani. I still think Remembrance is the best of the lot and I'm happy its place in the top ten is going to prove the "McCoy was the nadir of the series" type of fans wrong once again. Where's a story from the "superior" Eccleston era in the top ten?  I can't see it anywhere 

[burrunjor]

It's annoying seeing Moffat crow about this on social media. Again I have nothing against the man personally and I didn't say anything on his posts as that would be just nasty trying to take the wind out of someone's sails. Still it really is annoying that other producers and writers like Joel Schumacher and John Nathan Turner got hounded to the point where they spent the rest of their lives thinking they'd ruined franchises, whilst he did something worse than either of them with the Capaldi era and gets away with it! Yes he really did bring it to great lows than either of them in every way. Through the gender changes, he dug the series into a hole where if it didn't do that there would be a backlash in the media to the show as sexist, but if it did do that for reasons I've been over it would destroy the show (and it did for all the reasons I a bum went over dozens of times,) he also caused its viewers to drop to barely over 2 million at one point, and he spinelessly handed the fandom over to neo liberals which in turn allowed the right wingers to get their foot in the door when people got fed up with them, leading to the absolute chaos fandom has become since. He also pushed the all about change narrative to a greater extent that unravelled the entire shows identity. All JNT and Schumacher did was just make some crappy versions that bombed (though even then contrary to popular belief Batman and Robin was actually a minor success at the box office, unlike the Capaldi era that was a major flop.)

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Moffat should be punished LOL. Let's chop his hands off! I hate black listing in the industry and I hate never letting people forget their mistakes either. I hate the "you're as good as your last picture" mentality of the entertainment industry. If I could I'd banish it over night. Everyone is capable of doing good and shit stories, and it's only entertainment so it's not like you have to forgive anything personally.

Even Chibnall I'd give another chance too. (Though to be fair I wouldn't let him run DW LOL, as he is a proven failure with that, but what I'm saying is I'd give him a chance to write a good story again and not just assume right away.)

Still Missy being celebrated as a triumph I'm sorry to me it's on a par with modern art being praised as real art. It's offensive not only to the Master, but legit attempts at properly adapting characters and continuing franchises.

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Nov 9, 2023 13:32:34 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I watched the first part of World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls earlier. Some of it is very silly like Missy doing a dab and that stupid, "Doctor Who" nonsense which isn't as funny as Moffat thinks it is. I do however like the horror of it and as a lover of the Mondasian Cybermen I enjoy their return very much. I've always maintained they're the creepiest Cybermen. It's a highlight of Capaldi's run for sure, but second best story ever made? As Monster X says, it's not even in the same league as Caves of Androzani. I still think Remembrance is the best of the lot and I'm happy its place in the top ten is going to prove the "McCoy was the nadir of the series" wrong once again. Where's a story from the "superior" Eccleston era in the top ten?  I can't see it anywhere 

I think McCoy is in the clear nowadays, especially as he seems to be popular with hipsters. It's Colin Baker that people tend to pile on, and even he's getting more love now. To tell a truth, I've been rewatching series 22 recently, episodes I haven't watched for many years, and have been really enjoying it. It's obviously cheap tat, but somehow genuinely compelling. The speech the governor gives to the captain of the guard in Vengeance on Varos was actually really well-written and captivating. I just wish it had received the budget it needed. Although, there is something charming about the wobbly sets and thrown-together design elements, it actually makes it creepier in some respects.

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Nov 9, 2023 12:41:56 GMT RobFilth said:

Good to see there's no Ecclesbone or Shittaker rubbish in there, surprising that top 2 slots are Capaldi ones, HTF did that shite "Day of the Doctor" get in there though? It's terrible!

ClassicWho poorly represented with only two Tom Baker stories, a Davison and McCoy one.

Rubbish.

No story written by the Messiah RTD either although I've seen a few people comment on the fact that Human Nature was heavily rewritten by him.


I really don't mind Hinchcliffe now, but it does bring a smile to my face seeing more JNT era stories in the list than ones from his era. I wasn't even going to point it out because I know people will say "there will be more JNT stories in the bottom ten", but please let me have my moment 

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Can't believe they still have the audacity to stick City of Death in the top 10. Tsk tsk tsk.

Blink is another one that's grossly overrated. It's a fun little story, but it's hardly a masterpiece.