Anyone got the poll results?

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Nov 9, 2023 14:24:37 GMT rushy said:

Can't believe they still have the audacity to stick City of Death in the top 10. Tsk tsk tsk.

Blink is another one that's grossly overrated. It's a fun little story, but it's hardly a masterpiece.

Day of the Doctor is the one that gets me. I understand why it was so high in the last poll. A lot of people were still quite high from the excitement of the anniversary celebrations, but it looks as if the story is here to stay in the top ten. Like one of my friends said, there's way better stuff from the Smith era alone.

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And the Library story is arguably the weakest Moffat offering from the RTD era.

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Nov 9, 2023 14:32:38 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

And the Library story is arguably the weakest Moffat offering from the RTD era.

I disagree hugely. I think that the Girl in the Fireplace is awful as it turns the Doctor into a cheap Captain Kirk expy, and has some of the cheesiest shit and god moding the Doctor with crap about how "the monsters are worth it for an angel" UGGGGGHHHHH and the thicky, thicky bit is cringe inducing from Tennant. 

I also find the Eccelston gas one overrated and the ending is as mawkish, cheesy and cringey as DW ever got from EVERYBODY LIVES to "I just remembered I can dance again I can dance again." And all the shit about dancing = sex and the Doctor and Jack arguing over whose dick is bigger via their tools. It's awful and honestly the gas mask zombies aren't even that scary? I don't get why everybody finds that story so frightening? 

Also do not get me started on the cringe inducing old blightey will stick it to Adolf speech from Eccelston, and the Doctor making out he's father Christmas. Honestly it's a sea of cringe for me. 

The Library two parter meanwhile is very well done. Whilst River is annoying from the start, the Vastha Nerada are a terrifying concept and the scenes where the people's minds are trapped in their suits and slowly fading are nightmarish. Far more terrifying than the are you my mummy bollocks. Honestly it's one I return to more than the other Moffat era stories apart from Blink, which isn't quite as good as its reputation suggests, but is still a classic in my opinion. 

That said I may be alone in this but I think Moffat did his best work in Matt Smith's time. 

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Nov 9, 2023 12:41:56 GMT RobFilth said:

Good to see there's no Ecclesbone or Shittaker rubbish in there, surprising that top 2 slots are Capaldi ones, HTF did that shite "Day of the Doctor" get in there though? It's terrible!

ClassicWho poorly represented with only two Tom Baker stories, a Davison and McCoy one.

Rubbish.

I'm more offended by two Capaldi episodes being in the top slot. Capaldi era fans on Gallifrey reddit are the worst. They are the ones who helped kill the franchise and they are such annoying elitist snobs, who act like their era was the thinking man's DW. I agree with my friend it was the wanking writers era instead. 

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I watched The Doctor Falls earlier. So the Master essentially gets a boner over his future regeneration and there's some very *subtle* foreshadowing of a female Doctor as well. The Cybermen do their thing (but those rubbish Moffat era ones are in there now) and the Doctor delivers a "kindness" speech in a typical NuWho preachy way that says a lot but equally somehow manages to say nothing at all. Sorry, but is this some sort of weird dream I'm having? How is this the second best Doctor Who story ever made? The Bill/Cyberman thing is well done and I do like the general location, but it pales in comparison to the first episode I'm afraid.

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Heaven Sent was good, though. Wish I could somehow detach it from Hell Bent

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Nov 9, 2023 16:55:45 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I watched The Doctor Falls earlier. So the Master essentially gets a boner over his future regeneration and there's some very *subtle* foreshadowing of a female Doctor as well. The Cybermen do their thing (but those rubbish Moffat era ones are in there now) and the Doctor delivers a "kindness" speech in a typical NuWho preachy way that says a lot but equally somehow manages to say nothing at all. Sorry, but is this some sort of weird dream I'm having? How is this the second best Doctor Who story ever made? The Bill/Cyberman thing is well done and I do like the general location, but it pales in comparison to the first episode I'm afraid.

The Be Kind speech became an obnoxious mantra spouted by cultish new who fans whenever they were being anything but kind. Just the other day on Gallifrey reddit I tried to have a convo about the differences between new who and old who and got tons of seek help comments aimed my way and again told I'm boring non stop, all with the same be kind mantra. 

BTW when the f*ck was the Doctor kind? He was always a bit of an arsehole in the original series. I've just watched a story where he tells everyone they'll all be dead by morning with a smile on his face, and responds when Leela tells a guy she'll cut out his heart "you heard what she said" LOL. Meanwhile in the previous story he threw a guy into a machine that drained his bodily fluids, and in a story before that he tossed a flesh eating slug onto a guy because he was being an annoying arse? Obviously he is a hero, but he's not f*cking Jesus!

Meanwhile the Bill Cyberman thing was kind of a retread of Dalek/Clara where she wasn't even aware of who she was, and she was also given another fairy tale ending with a water girl who can if she wants eliminate the Daleks and cure all the Cybermen. 

Also yes the Sugababe Cybermen were not a welcome addition and made no sense. If the Cybermen have advanced at that rate before they reach earth, why were there no Sugababe Cybermen in the Hartnell era? Why the f*ck are the Cybusmen there at all since they come from another universe? Shouldn't there have been some Troughton era Cybermen instead since they were the next stage on from Hartnell, or some Invasion era Cybermen who at least existed at that point?

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Nov 9, 2023 17:31:44 GMT burrunjor said:

Also yes the Sugababe Cybermen were not a welcome addition and made no sense. If the Cybermen have advanced at that rate before they reach earth, why were there no Sugababe Cybermen in the Hartnell era? Why the f*ck are the Cybusmen there at all since they come from another universe? Shouldn't there have been some Troughton era Cybermen instead since they were the next stage on from Hartnell, or some Invasion era Cybermen who at least existed at that point?

The Sugababes and Cybusmen being there are stupid, but these are not the same Cybermen as those which originated on Mondas. My headcanon is that the Master landed on the ship, realised it was Mondasian and, as a sick joke and means of building his own army fairly quickly due to the time dilation, implanted the idea of the Cybermen in the society, design and all, which is why the colony ship Cybermen are somewhat similar to the Mondasians, though not identical. This is also the origin point for all the Moffat era Cybermen and beyond, thereby severing it from the classic Cybermen hailing from Mondas itself, who presumably died out as they were doomed to. So there, we have two different origin stories for classic and nuwho Cybermen. I guess that aids in the division between the two.

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Nov 9, 2023 18:19:16 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Nov 9, 2023 17:31:44 GMT burrunjor said:

Also yes the Sugababe Cybermen were not a welcome addition and made no sense. If the Cybermen have advanced at that rate before they reach earth, why were there no Sugababe Cybermen in the Hartnell era? Why the f*ck are the Cybusmen there at all since they come from another universe? Shouldn't there have been some Troughton era Cybermen instead since they were the next stage on from Hartnell, or some Invasion era Cybermen who at least existed at that point?

The Sugababes and Cybusmen being there are stupid, but these are not the same Cybermen as those which originated on Mondas. My headcanon is that the Master landed on the ship, realised it was Mondasian and, as a sick joke and means of building his own army fairly quickly due to the time dilation, implanted the idea of the Cybermen in the society, design and all, which is why the colony ship Cybermen are somewhat similar to the Mondasians, though not identical. This is also the origin point for all the Moffat era Cybermen and beyond, thereby severing it from the classic Cybermen hailing from Mondas itself, who presumably died out as they were doomed to. So there, we have two different origin stories for classic and nuwho Cybermen. I guess that aids in the division between the two.

Good idea, definitely justifies the Master being there more, though I seem to recall there is a bit where they say they are fleeing from Mondas? Either way I'll take it to make more sense of the story. 

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It really annoys me that Troughton and Pertwee are never represented in these things. The War Games is better than 80% of that list.

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Troughton was well represented in the 1998 poll. It's crazy to compare what was considered the best back then to now...

1. Genesis of the Daleks
2. The Talons of Weng-Chiang
3. The Caves of Androzani
4. Pyramids of Mars
5. The Robots of Death
6. Remembrance of the Daleks
7. City of Death
8. The Tomb of the Cybermen
9. The Evil of the Daleks
10. The Web of Fear

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Nov 9, 2023 18:34:24 GMT Brian MK.II said:

People actually care about this? I mean, it's hardly a new revelation.

It's been long since established that the results are fixed or are usually the cliché choices (like having a Bond poll and either Goldfinger or Skyfall comes out at No.1).

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Nov 9, 2023 16:55:45 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I watched The Doctor Falls earlier. So the Master essentially gets a boner over his future regeneration and there's some very *subtle* foreshadowing of a female Doctor as well. The Cybermen do their thing (but those rubbish Moffat era ones are in there now) and the Doctor delivers a "kindness" speech in a typical NuWho preachy way that says a lot but equally somehow manages to say nothing at all. Sorry, but is this some sort of weird dream I'm having? How is this the second best Doctor Who story ever made? The Bill/Cyberman thing is well done and I do like the general location, but it pales in comparison to the first episode I'm afraid.

To add a bit more to this, I'll tell you the things I did enjoy:

The direction. I think Rachel Talalay has been talked about negatively on here (or maybe a previous version of the forum), but she's a very good director. Some of the scenes are beautifully shot.

The Master shooting him/herself in the back is pretty funny in a morbid kind of way. He kept his promise that he'd rather die than stand with the Doctor.

The Bill/Heather thing is gorgeous.  The actress playing Heather isn't in it much, but she's an absolute stunner. I remember wanting her to be the next companion. Oh well, at least we got Mandip instead.

Pearl Mackie is somewhat forgotten by fans, but she's excellent here. Probably one of the most underrated companions.

There's a decent amount of suspense and tension here.

Lots of classic who references. Telos, Voga, Planet 14 (which I always assumed was another name for Telos but it isn't).


I don't think the episode is bad, I just feel that it isn't as good as the first and there's some unwelcome sex jokes and preaching in there too. Still better than the majority of NuWho Cybermen stories however.

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Yeah this one is utterly meaningless. It's not the top 10 at all. What were the ACTUAL results/figures? We'll never know, as Jodeh must be protected at all costs.

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Jodie's not even on the list. I have no doubt that these are the actual results. It's just how the fandom is nowadays