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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 8:43:02 GMT
The 60th anniversary musical celebration was recorded last night for eventual broadcast on BBC Radio 2 soon They played the new theme, Ncuti's theme, and Ruby's theme for the first time Ncuti's theme was described as 'something you could ride a horse to' ...Blazing Saddles Doctor? Makes sense the number 1 Amy Winehouse haters costume as the Celestial Toymaker looks like one of the "Throw up your hands, stick out your tush" dancers at the end of Blazing Saddles. Maybe they can do a repeat of the "where all the white women at" scene with Ncuti LOL. Would be more entertaining than anything else I'm sure. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 9:41:27 GMT
Sadly they've fired Osgood. From what I hear, Mel has taken her place in UNIT. What the f*ck do they have against Osgood? I'm starting to think RTD must have read my posts here and got pissed LOL.
All I can say is that New Who writers have it the wrong way round in every way.
You should honor the past, by making the characters recognizable as the characters they are supposed to be. Not a big ask, but one that was beyond them, hence the Master being turned into a kinky Mary Poppins/Moffat's ex wife/River Song 4.0. and the Doctor becoming..... well Jodie. Anyone who actually liked those characters and wants to see them as themselves, is just an old fashioned, incel anorak who can't accept change.
Meanwhile generally it's agreed that you move on by creating new characters, new monsters and concepts. The New Who mob have always struggled with this, with all but the Angels having been flops or dead ends like the Silence, Slitheen, Judoon, Ood etc. They finally create a character that people like. Let's be honest Osgood is the only one that they did create in the last ten years that people liked, even if that is pretty much entirely down to the actress. Still sometimes that can be enough. The others they keep thrusting on us as fan favourites meanwhile?
Kate or rather their version of her, people think is boring because they generally don't give her a persona beyond talking about her dad, which just makes us wish it was him instead of her. (Ironically she is much better in the audios, where she and Osgood DO have a special rapport that is unlike her father and Benton.)
Missy was literally the COFD Master made canon that they had to push propaganda about how she channelled Delgado, that denied reality itself to say she was presentable, which obviously even they couldn't keep up.
Jodie's Doctor? Absolute flop that saw viewers deplete by over 50 percent (and that's when you look at their fiddled viewers, normal ones it was significantly greater.) She is the gold standard for SJW car crash, get woke, go broke cliches.
Ruth Doctor? Part of the most controversial thing there has ever been in DW, the Timeless Children. Her very presence is seen as a huge insult to William Hartnell and every actor who played the role after (because it is.)
All of their companions since 2013 meanwhile? Clara, in spite of Jenna Coleman is derided as a smug, show stealing retread of Moff's impossible girl obsession by old fans, new fans and feminists alike, Yaz and Ryan are absolute planks who had no persona's. Only Bill and Graham are reasonably well liked, but even then they are both fairly average.
Osgood, again because of the actress, is the only one who fans really took to their hearts, who proved strong enough to carry her own spin off series and whose actress is a huge favourite at conventions. In spite of this, they think, let's replace her with a companion from over 30 years ago who actively drove people away, including Ian Levine that guy who spent millions on finding lost stories, a character who became a cliche of things people hated about the original, hammy panto acting, wimpy, outdated female characters, painfully uncool leads "that's it Doc now we're getting it." That will be a good way of honoring the past.
It's insane how they manage to get it the wrong way round for everything.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 13:40:55 GMT
Okay it's official, I'm not watching the RTD era now. This fat hating turd has fired Ingrid Oliver AND hired the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater! He's managed to piss me off in all directions. Speaking as a fat guy who loves Ingrid and who disapproves of f*cked up corpse cakes that resemble twisted cannibal fantasies. I'm out for good now.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Sept 29, 2023 14:47:34 GMT
The 60th anniversary musical celebration was recorded last night for eventual broadcast on BBC Radio 2 soon They played the new theme, Ncuti's theme, and Ruby's theme for the first time Ncuti's theme was described as 'something you could ride a horse to' ...Blazing Saddles Doctor?  |
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Post by rushy on Sept 29, 2023 16:12:42 GMT
what happened to Osgood lol
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 16:24:48 GMT
what happened to Osgood lol Well all joking and hyperbole aside, it looks like she isn't in the 60th and that going forward, Mel will be replacing her as Kate's sidekick in UNIT, with the two forming a new, part time UNIT family. Again it could just be conjecture at this point, but I'd say it looks likely. A lot of fans who've been right about things have said that's what has happened, that there is mention of Osgood leaving off camera (in a similar fashion to Liz Shaw) in the 60th, and Bonnie being the new Jo Grant figure who becomes more involved in adventures with the Doctor, but is not his companion. It would fit with Mel being a scientist, and also if Osgood was in the 60th or next series, we'd know by now. Ingrid absolutely would have shared that news, and it's not like they'd be keeping her appearing as a big surprise is it? I mean she's popular but it's not like her appearing would be a big deal in terms of shocks. Again f*cking typical. All the while I've been complaining about them not carrying on from the classic era with things like you know, actual story arcs, characterisation, lore, and now they DO bring something back from the classic era and it's one of the few characters I couldn't stand (no offence Maxil) and at the expense of one of the few characters in New Who I liked! Also again making NPH a part of DW, and firing Ingrid Oliver. It's like he's just out to get me LOL. I will say it's a pretty shitty thing to do to Ingrid, given how much she loves the show, and how popular she is, to single only her out of a double act and say "you're gone, not even a goodbye scene, bye". It's not even like they had to do that to get Mel back anyway. RTD's always been a bit of a c*nt in getting rid of things he doesn't like and showing them no respect though, like the Time War, and his comments about Richard E Grant. (We all know that the man who created the Siltheen and monsters made out of fat, and a plastic surgery leaf woman made out of her arse, and a blow job/rim job stone is fit to judge what's good and not in DW.) |
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Post by rushy on Sept 29, 2023 16:27:58 GMT
(at the risk of incurring your wrath, I would have done the same)
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 16:37:04 GMT
(at the risk of incurring your wrath, I would have done the same) Why? Just to be contrarian? Are you such a fan of Kate? I can understand people thinking that Osgood is a bit gimmicky and absolutely not bothering with her, but to replace her with f*cking Mel? This is more or less the "character" description that JNT gave when hiring her. "One of these women that goes on about women's lib constantly, but jumps into the arms of a man any time anything goes wrong." That's all she was! Just a stupid attempt to wind up feminists on JNT's part. If you argue that "well RTD can make her a better character." Then why the f*ck can the same not be done with Osgood, who again is played by a better actress and doesn't have the baggage of being a panto character? |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 17:05:19 GMT
Sorry I was wrong about JNT's initial description. It is WORSE than I thought. I was paraphrasing.
Here it is.
Melanie is one of those annoying young ladies who is a 'feminist' at all times, except at moments of great stress, when she relies heavily on playing the hard-done-by, down-trodden, crocodile-teared female.
LMAO, That is pretty much how he portrayed her by having her constantly scream and talk like a little girl to wind up the feminists. If RTD fans are saying he can get a good character out of that, then there is no reason he couldn't have got one out of Osgood, who okay is a bit meta, but just get rid of that, keep her as a scientist and expand a bit etc.
Replacing her with Mel when there is no need, and keeping the other person who was with her there, Kate, who isn't very popular is just a nasty slap in the face to Ingrid. Again no one is saying you have to bring Osgood back. I can understand never wanting to see UNIT again, but to bring back everything but her, a part of me does wonder if it's to spite the fans. Not me obviously, but in just in general, because maybe they were annoyed at a minor UNIT boffin that they wanted to kill off becoming popular instead of Missy, Jodie, Kate etc, their female characters who were meant to replace the men?
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Post by rushy on Sept 29, 2023 17:19:32 GMT
Why? Just to be contrarian? Are you such a fan of Kate? I can understand people thinking that Osgood is a bit gimmicky and absolutely not bothering with her, but to replace her with f*cking Mel? Because I found her to be a cringy embodiment of a fan. She wasn't intended to completely take the piss out of them like Whizz Kid and Victor Kennedy, but that doesn't mean her character held any appeal to me. I'd mention that she's busy being ambassador to the Zygons (in Peru  ) and just never feature her again in my era. If I had to compose a modern UNIT family, I'd keep Kate as the leader, but I'd introduce a chief military officer for her to butt heads with. Maybe bring back Brigadier Bambera, or just invent someone new. There would also be a younger "newbie" who is still getting freaked out by aliens. Benton could occasionally cameo as a consultant. Maybe he and the newbie could be friends. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 17:25:43 GMT
Why? Just to be contrarian? Are you such a fan of Kate? I can understand people thinking that Osgood is a bit gimmicky and absolutely not bothering with her, but to replace her with f*cking Mel? Because I found her to be a cringy embodiment of a fan. She wasn't intended to completely take the piss out of them like Whizz Kid and Victor Kennedy, but that doesn't mean her character held any appeal to me. I'd mention that she's busy being ambassador to the Zygons (in Peru ) and just never feature her again in my era. If I had to compose a modern UNIT family, I'd keep Kate as the leader, but I'd introduce a chief military officer for her to butt heads with. Maybe bring back Brigadier Bambera, or just invent someone new. There would also be a younger "newbie" who is still getting freaked out by aliens. Benton could occasionally cameo as a consultant. Maybe he and the newbie could be friends. Just tone that down and it's fine. Again if Mel can go from being a woman who cries crocodile tears and whose scream is meant to match the stinger in the theme, and who can't fight off two old ladies who wrap a blanket around her head to what we assume will be a competent character, then I don't think cutting some fan elements down in Osgood (which they do in the audios where you can't see them) is too much of a stretch. Kate meanwhile does nothing on tv but go on about her dad, and worse retcons and arguably wrecks his story. Put it this way, it's not because of Osgood that we got Cyber Brig, or that nonsense about the Brig being upset because the Doctor never saluted him or that recent flashback in the Jodie episode that completely messed up his entire story with another pointless cameo. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 29, 2023 17:27:08 GMT
It also comes down to me just preferring Jemma Redgrave's acting over that of Ingrid Oliver lol.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 17:30:35 GMT
It also comes down to me just preferring Jemma Redgrave's acting over that of Ingrid Oliver lol. Well that is just taste. I think Jemma's okay in the audios, but on tv her voice I hate to say wobbles too much. When it comes to dramatic moments she sounds like Joey Tribbiani doing the "Betsy's been dead for 10 years." |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Sept 29, 2023 17:32:44 GMT
Sadly they've fired Osgood. From what I hear, Mel has taken her place in UNIT. What the f*ck do they have against Osgood? Osgood is exactly the sort of unapologetically enthusiastic fan Fathead's clique used to turn away from the Fitzroy Tavern in the 90s. Her passion for the Doctor is innocent and unpretentious, undiluted by the sneering sense of irony and cynicism it takes to be accepted by the fandom in-crowd. If she'd at least had the decency to display some signs of guilt or self-loathing, she might have been in with a chance, but keeping those damn ming-mongs out has to be the top priority. I'm starting to think RTD must have read my posts here and got pissed LOL. You jest, but that genuinely sounds like something he would do just to spite an insufficiently deferential fan. Would it really be any more far-fetched than basing two alien races on Ian Levine? |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2023 17:39:20 GMT
Sadly they've fired Osgood. From what I hear, Mel has taken her place in UNIT. What the f*ck do they have against Osgood? Osgood is exactly the sort of unapologetically enthusiastic fan Fathead's clique used to turn away from the Fitzroy Tavern in the 90s. Her passion for the Doctor is innocent and unpretentious, undiluted by the sneering sense of irony and cynicism it takes to be accepted by the fandom in-crowd. If she'd at least had the decency to display some signs of guilt or self-loathing, she might have been in with a chance, but keeping those damn ming-mongs out has to be the top priority. I'm starting to think RTD must have read my posts here and got pissed LOL. You jest, but that genuinely sounds like something he would do just to spite an insufficiently deferential fan. Would it really be any more far-fetched than basing two alien races on Ian Levine? LOL now that you mention it, he is petty. I don't think so only because I'm a nobody in fandom unlike Ian Levine, so it's doubtful he has heard of me, but if I were a big name then yeah he absolutely would be petty enough to do that. PS what's the second race he based on Ian Levine? I only know the Abzorbaloff? Other examples of him being prickly and not responding well to criticism include devoting an entire chapter of his book a writers tale to his critics which he called "Bastards." Meanwhile James Goss also did a short story where Missy slowly tortures and kills several men who are meant to represent guys who didn't approve of her and Jodie's gender change. |
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) and just never feature her again in my era. 