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Post by burrunjor on Sept 24, 2023 15:58:38 GMT
It's not a judgement on Freema, it's a description of how RTD wrote her. A 2nd class companion in a season that was all about paying tribute to the white companion that had left. Oh I know that LOL. I was just joking and looking for an excuse to gush about Freema. |
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Post by cyberhat on Sept 24, 2023 16:13:38 GMT
I wonder how this new RTD will be taken in the social media age? I imagine exactly like the Star Wars Prequels. Read the MSM, you'd think nothing was wrong with all their celebratory, don't spoil the party takes. But dissenting social media will have a way bigger impact than the last time, like it did with The Last Jedi. Youtube will be the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 16:14:00 GMT
Yeah, Martha isn't very well written but Freema is so damn likeable in the role. Series 3 is my favourite NuWho series, but I role my eyes at the obligatory Rose reference in every episode. Imagine being that obsessed with one of your own character creations.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 24, 2023 16:26:37 GMT
I wonder how this new RTD will be taken in the social media age? I imagine exactly like the Star Wars Prequels. Read the MSM, you'd think nothing was wrong with all their celebratory, don't spoil the party takes. But dissenting social media will have a way bigger impact than the last time, like it did with The Last Jedi. Youtube will be the difference. Even already there are people complaining about the fact that Sylvia slaps the Doctor in the specials promoting female on male violence. They do have a point as you wouldn't see that same thing in reverse. |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 24, 2023 16:47:14 GMT
It's like if JNT had brought back Doctor Who in 2005 and the comeback trailer was just a load of people wearing Hawaiin shirts. That actually sounds quite cool. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 24, 2023 17:17:08 GMT
Martha sure existed. I remember fondly her episodes of being there when Rose wasn't around
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Post by Spark Doll King on Sept 24, 2023 20:45:20 GMT
I liked Martha more then Rose but her much of her presence can be pretty much summed up as "the Doctor's rebound girlfriend". Her whole season is haunted by Rose.
And then their the whole family of blood story in which the Doctor becomes an unlikable prick and forces Martha to try an care for him in a era were she will be forced to have a very weak connection to him due to the colour of her skin, in a very dangerous situation. Nice one.
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Post by iank on Sept 24, 2023 20:59:40 GMT
He can move forward next year. This is the 60th anniversary. It comes precisely once. If he can key jangle his own era (which, despite what he clearly thinks, not everyone is in love with) there is no excuse. This doesn't even seem like it's celebrating the modern show, let alone the original, just his little bit of it (and one season of it at that!) I can't even really excuse (including in Day) the lack of the surviving classic Doctors, given the most successful part of NuTrek was Picard season 3, where the average age of the cast was over 70, let alone McGann or Smith or Capaldi. I really, really hope this is not all we're getting, because it's not looking like an anniversary story so far. It's unfortunate Fans seem to have blanked on Jodie's finale, which was only a year ago, it was a celebration of so many eras of the programme and included appearances from all the surviving classic Doctors as well as cameos from companions and tying up the storylines of Ace and Tegan, they seem to blank on an otherwise enjoyable story on the simple basis that it was Jodie and her era had tanked. That's a shame, as I feel the Centenary ticked all the boxes necccersary for a 60th. What do you think? I know you're opposed to Jodie's era and Doctor, but would it have been preferable for "The Power of the Doctor" to have been held off until 2023? It was utter drek, and it was more about trying to legitimise Whittaker than anything else. No it wouldn't have been better to hold it off. It was awful. |
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Post by iank on Sept 24, 2023 21:05:04 GMT
It's unfortunate Fans seem to have blanked on Jodie's finale, which was only a year ago, it was a celebration of so many eras of the programme and included appearances from all the surviving classic Doctors as well as cameos from companions and tying up the storylines of Ace and Tegan, they seem to blank on an otherwise enjoyable story on the simple basis that it was Jodie and her era had tanked. That's a shame, as I feel the Centenary ticked all the boxes necccersary for a 60th. What do you think? I know you're opposed to Jodie's era and Doctor, but would it have been preferable for "The Power of the Doctor" to have been held off until 2023? I personally think that it was absolute drek. The Daleks/Cybermen/Master team up made 0 sense. I remember someone comparing it to the villains team up in the Batman lego movie and they're not wrong. Also I fail to see it as a celebration of so many eras of the programme and more trying to cash in after the absolute disaster of the Jodie era. And I'm sorry but NO, Jodie's Doctor being in it is not a minor thing (neither is Jo Martin's Doctor.) Both are symbolic of an attempt to replace the shows existing fanbase, of an attempt to rewrite William Hartnell's legacy, destroy the very foundations of the character and in Jodie's case nepo casting too. It's more I'll just cast my friend rather than, hey this Jon Pertwee bloke is a bit of an eccentric, or let's see what this Tom Baker guy can do. As soon as either Jodie or Jo are in it, it stops being proper DW and is a parody and if anything seeing those old faces just made me all the more bitter. I've waited decades to see Ian back in the show, and now when he is, it's with a f*cking parody Doctor like Jodie? It felt more like "hahahaha you'll have to acknowledge the Timeless Children and the gender change because we had Ian there acknowledging it." Well I say f*ck off Chibnall you don't get away with it that easily. Just because you tossed in a few member berries (in a further stunning display of your quite unique lack of imagination, IE having Sophie recreate a scene from 1988.) The doesn't change the fact you destroyed the very foundations of the character, pandered to the most toxic side of fandom like Dimmeh Looming (who the other day laughed at her starting the rumour Bowlestrek rapes dogs, saying he deserved it.) And dragged the show to its lowest point. Even the active sabotage of Michael Grade couldn't do what he did. Meanwhile unlike the others here I don't mind there being no classic Doctors in this as honestly, do you guys really want to see any more links between classic and new who in its current state? Yeah I totally get wanting to see them in the 50th, but since then the more they try and mix classic who and new who together the more it pisses me off. I say let RTD have his circle jerk, it just goes to show what a lot of people have always said that he just wanted a franchise to play about with, rather than DW. Only thing I'm pissed at is UNIT and no Osgood? WTF is wrong with them? She's one of the few things in the last ten years that has a sizable fanbase, yet they outright refuse to use her? Honestly starting to think it is just because of me LOL. Mind you I don't want to see her with NPH anyway. He really can f*ck off and his performance in that look absolute drek. Missy 2.0. I'm craaaaazzzzzy and a bit flirty type of villain. No thanks that was bad enough when you had a likable actor like Gomez, but not this c*nt. Also why the f*ck are they bringing back the Toymaker? Again RTD refused to bring back the Brig, refused to bring back the Rani on the grounds nobody knew them, yet is bringing back this one off villain from a wiped story? If you'd have said to me in the 90s, the revival of DW won't have the Brig, but it will have the Toymaker, the Macra and Mel, then I'd have thought you were joking. Then again if you'd said that it would also have the Brig as a Cyberman, the Doctor as President of the earth, the Master as a woman who wants to shag him, billions of pre Hartnell Doctors, and an actress dressed as a rodeo clown with the charisma of a cucumber playing the Doctor. I'd have said that's not even a funny joke. I do agree to a degree with them separating classic and new, yet... that's not what they're doing. They're intent on pretending it's the same thing, milking the anniversaries and such, yet don't want to use surviving Doctors in their celebrations. And like I said, the "they're too old" excuse looks ever more feeble after Picard season 3. It feels like they are simultaneously milking the classic series for both ideas and nostalgic affection while simultaneously not wanting anything to do with it. F*****g pick one. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Sept 25, 2023 7:57:11 GMT
Who's Mirum Maroyles?  She opens fetes when Maryam Mongoloids is busy... |
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Post by zarius on Sept 25, 2023 18:37:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 9:27:52 GMT
The highlight is the Toymaker, but even then I don't think he'll be much like Michael Gough's version. I mean, they can't even get the Master right in any of his NuWho incarnations. And Rob keeps banging on about Beep the Meep, but where the hell is Cyril in all of this? Is a grown man dressed up as a mischievous school boy with a sling shot in his pocket not progressive enough for RTD 2.0?  |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Sept 26, 2023 11:56:04 GMT
The highlight is the Toymaker, but even then I don't think he'll be much like Michael Gough's version. I mean, they can't even get the Master right in any of his NuWho incarnations. And Rob keeps banging on about Beep the Meep, but where the hell is Cyril in all of this? Is a grown man dressed up as a mischievous school boy with a sling shot in his pocket not progressive enough for RTD 2.0? Having reached the trailer, I can't help but feel that the Toymaker, like the Great Intelligence under Moffat, is going to be so far removed from his original partial that it might as well be another character all together. I was expecting a costume change, and the one were he's dressed like an eccentric toy shop owner was very fitting, but his cloths changes and action outside of that get up just stop him feeling like the Toymaker. The Toymaker is not some stereotypical trickster god playing sillybuggers. He's a god who plays childish games for his amusement and uses others as his pieces to play his games. Thats why Cyril exists, as well as the other characters in the original story and it's sequels over the years. The Toymaker doesn't take an active role in the game because that would be too easy for him. Like the Seventh Doctor he prefers to play the part of the chess master. Sadly I see him, like the Master befor him, just being turned into a knock off of another current pop-culture villain. It was the Joker for the Master, and it sadly look's like it will be Loki for the Toymaker. And with that revelation the thread width hope for all fathead's coming back is cut. Because he really is just going to do what he did befor, but likely more obnoxiously. All RTD can do, bare his first season when the shows arse was on the line, is take current trends and pop culture, dousing it in a Doctor Who paint job and telling liner stories with a dash of soap tv style drama in for flavor, in an attempt to caste as wide a net as possible. He could not do Cybermen, turning them into discount Daleks. He couldn't do the Master, turning him into the Joker caricature. He couldn't write the Doctor, turning him into Angel caricature. It's just going to be a big wank fest trying to relive the Tennent's glory days in a sad bid to get general audiences back and Beep the Meep and the Toymaker are solely there as bait for classic fans. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 26, 2023 12:19:41 GMT
I do find it slightly odd that the Toymaker is apparently on Earth, in the real world. Isn't his whole shtick about creating his own dimension and forcing people to be there playing under his rules?
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Post by zarius on Sept 29, 2023 5:06:11 GMT
The 60th anniversary musical celebration was recorded last night for eventual broadcast on BBC Radio 2 soon
They played the new theme, Ncuti's theme, and Ruby's theme for the first time
Ncuti's theme was described as 'something you could ride a horse to'
...Blazing Saddles Doctor?
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