I'm tired of this show

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I'm just totally burned out as of late - both Classic and NuWho. Any reference to the show just drives me mad. I think it's just that I know the state of things currently preclude any chance at the return to a good TV show. Not to mention the usual YouTube twats trying to drum up what little interest there is - Mr TARDIS et al. Anyone else?

[rushy]

It doesn't have to return to a good TV show. Content doesn't have to keep coming for all eternity. Doctor Who would be a classic if it was just the first six classic seasons, let alone the 26 we got (plus some NuWho ones if you're feeling gracious).

[UncleDeadly]

Jan 15, 2023 18:25:22 GMT @theyakemperor said:

I'm just totally burned out as of late - both Classic and NuWho. Any reference to the show just drives me mad.

And yet, you're a Doctor Who fan, an active member of a Doctor Who forum and only 20 Doctor Who-themed posts in. How do you resolve this apparent dichotomy..?

[iank]

lol
No. I did feel that way a bit last year but my enthusiasm has somewhat reignited since I saw Destiny again back in November and I watched two over the weekend - one of which was a Hartnell, which I've been having trouble with the last couple of years, and thoroughly enjoyed them both.
I am unconvinced RTD can turn the sinking ship around after the disaster of the previous era - doesn't help that, until Chinballs, his was my least favourite era and even with New Who I've far more time for the Moffat era - but whatever happens with the modern show I feel somewhat reenthused with the old.

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Jan 15, 2023 19:21:55 GMT rushy said:

It doesn't have to return to a good TV show. Content doesn't have to keep coming for all eternity. Doctor Who would be a classic if it was just the first six classic seasons, let alone the 26 we got (plus some NuWho ones if you're feeling gracious).

I guess yeah. It's the expectation of new content that's burned me out I think.

[zarius]

Nah, I'm good. I've stuck around for far worse (Power Rangers)

[logopolitanicecream]

I'm totally free of the burden of ever expecting this show to be good again. And even if it did get good, the stain of the Chibnall/Whittaker era is now too ingrained in the show for me to summon up any enthusiasm for what comes next.

The only way they could make up for that is if they wiped the Chibnall era from canon and inserted another actor's face in at the point where Capaldi regenerates. And then just carry on from there. But I know that's certainly never happening. So yeah, I totally subscribe to Rushy's point and am content with just fondly remembering the classic era and the revival series up until the end of the Smith era.

It's somewhat like the Disney Star Wars content. What do I care what shows get made in the future, it still either leads up to, or follows on from, the grim sight of Luke Skywalker being a miserable failure who gives up on everything and doesn't at all resemble the idealistic do-gooder we all knew and loved in ROTJ.

[UncleDeadly]

Jan 16, 2023 11:35:50 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

The only way they could make up for that is if they wiped the Chibnall era from canon and inserted another actor's face in at the point where Capaldi regenerates. And then just carry on from there.

Ok, but what does that do about all the other shit from 2005-2017 that led up to this point?

[logopolitanicecream]

I didn't mind most of it at the time. I have my problems with it, but for the most part it's bearable for me. The Whittaker era is so unpopular and universally agreed to be poor, that even if certain segments of society did kick up a fuss over its (hypothetical) erasure and immediately finger bigotry or sexism as the motivating factor, I think people would still ultimately stick by the show.

Personally, and for what it's worth, I'd also gladly jettison the Capaldi era. But I think that has too much support amongst the fanbase that they'd probably swear off the show forever if it got wiped. I likely wouldn't miss those fans, just as I wouldn't miss his era, but it'd be hard to keep the show afloat with such a sizable amount of the built-in audience already gone. There'd also be the factor of convincing Coleman to come back and reshoot her parts. And if I know my British actors, she'd certainly use it as an opportunity to act like a revolutionary figure and publicly side with the outraged SJWs who are pretending to be fans. It just wouldn't be practical, any of it. Not unless you kept Coleman's filmed parts intact, and then just started the next episode with an awkward 'Poochie died on the way back to his home planet' style title card to explain her abrupt absence, going forward. Capaldi into Whittaker simply doesn't have that problem, as his Doctor regenerates alone.

If you didn't mind keeping the rest of Nu-Who intact (as I don't), then Capaldi into Whittaker is the most logical and clean place to sever. But anyways this is pointless to talk about. The show's forever maimed and RTD doesn't show any signs of trying to rein in any of the woketard politics that infest the show.

[rushy]

I'm gonna be the one dick who will say that I don't think Capaldi himself did a perfect job. There are episodes where he's incredible, but a lot of the time he seemed to struggle against Moffat's flamboyance. And then on other occasions, he himself hammed it up when it was unnecessary. I found him very inconsistent.

[logopolitanicecream]

He was mostly terrible imo. I liked him at first, but then the only time I found his Doctor to be likable was when the writers made a conscious decision to have him appear dislikable lol. And that was during his first series. After that, they got cold feet and had him degenerate into yet another tiresomely zany and self-consciously kooky Tennant/Smtih copy. Only, owing to Capaldi's inherent severeness and comparative old age, ultimately just came across as looking kind of awkward and sad, not to be too ageist or indelicate about it. I could not bear watching him put on sunglasses and play the electric guitar all the time, never mind them lowering the Doctor into actually engaging in physical violence because someone was rude to his friend.

[rushy]

Tennant effortlessly holds this entire franchise in an iron grip, it's hilarious.

[logopolitanicecream]

Guy's now the Tenth, Eleventh, Half-Human, and Fourteenth Doctors.

I mean one was insufferable enough ffs.

[rushy]

Jan 17, 2023 20:37:48 GMT logopolitanicecream said:

Guy's now the Tenth, Eleventh, Half-Human, and Fourteenth Doctors.

I mean one was insufferable enough ffs.

"Weeeell, exactly, look at you! Not remotely important! But me?! I could do SO MUCH MORE! SOOOO MUCH MOOOORE!"

RTD: don't worry bro, I got you covered

[logopolitanicecream]

Oh but then they inexplicably decided to retcon the Morbius Doctors as being canon so as to completely do away with the idea of the Doctor ever having originally been a crusty old white male (take that, Nazis!), so now who knows what number his Doctor is supposed to be. And who gives a f*ck lol. This is the kind of ridiculously convoluted nonsense that inevitably arises when the show starts subscribing to Paul Cornell's school of thought that the show has no continuity. So now you've got previous showrunners dismissing the Morbius Doctors' canonicity (including as far back as the JNT era where the First Doctor explicitly calls himself the 'original'), and another showrunner now basically saying 'lol no, Morbius Doctors are canon now, get rekt', all for the obvious purposes of symbolically erasing a 'Hwite' man's role in establishing the part. It's pathetic, the depths this show has sunk to.