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Post by RobFilth on Sept 1, 2023 22:01:01 GMT
RTD and Gatwa have sounded very ranty lately. The latter should remember he's the main actor of a show that still has an incredibly huge child fanbase and shouldn't be effing and blinding in interviews like that. That never stopped Tom Baker. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 1, 2023 22:03:14 GMT
RTD and Gatwa have sounded very ranty lately. The latter should remember he's the main actor of a show that still has an incredibly huge child fanbase and shouldn't be effing and blinding in interviews like that. That never stopped Tom Baker. In fairness, Tom predates social media. I doubt he swore in front of kids or expected any foul-mouthed interviews to reach them. I could be wrong there, of course. |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 1, 2023 22:07:07 GMT
I mainly watched the recons because the Perrymans were doing it for Wife and Space. I had a lot of fun comparing notes. There are some real gems in there that deserve reappraisal Agreed. Of highlight particularly are the Loose Cannon CGI animated recon of The Wheel in Space(the cyberman health and safety lifts are hilarious), the recon with reconstructed scenes of Evil of the Daleks is highly amusing too with a broad shouldered Victoria with bad wig walking down corridors of Theodore Maxtibles house too. I think Dalek Master Plan episode 12 recon deserves praise too. The ending is completely climatic. |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 1, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
That never stopped Tom Baker. In fairness, Tom predates social media. I doubt he swore in front of kids or expected any foul-mouthed interviews to reach them. I could be wrong there, of course. I don't think he did publically in front of kids, but he was an outright prick on Nationwide(or was it News Night?) Once he started drinking heavily when let off the leash by Williams, he acted more of an arrogant obnoxious contrary arsehole. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 1, 2023 23:02:05 GMT
In fairness, Tom predates social media. I doubt he swore in front of kids or expected any foul-mouthed interviews to reach them. I could be wrong there, of course. I don't think he did publically in front of kids, but he was an outright prick on Nationwide(or was it News Night?) Once he started drinking heavily when let off the leash by Williams, he acted more of an arrogant obnoxious contrary arsehole. Is that the one where he and Mary Tamm are being interviewed and Tom gets offended when the interviewer asks him do you have to be Doctor Who all the time in public, and Tom starts making out his interviewer is a phony and he's more DW than that guy is genuine and you can see they try and laugh it off, but it gets awkward and Mary Tamm is looking at Tom like "what the f*ck are you doing." LMAO |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 3, 2023 11:30:24 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 3, 2023 12:05:03 GMT
Haha yeah I remember that. It was 100 percent a joke on Davies part though he said. I wasn't offended just to be clear unlike NPH as it was just a good natured joke of "who should play the hero in a children's show, Ah I know that woman who is famous for being a hell raiser and swearing and has tattoos LOL." Again can't exactly get offended by that as I don't think even Amy's biggest admirer would say she had a clean cut image. That said though Tom Baker to be fair was a hell raiser too, but obviously not quite to that same extent. Back then I thought Davies even if he didn't bring DW back as I liked, was an okay guy, but sadly it's in the last few years finding out things like the Ian Levine stuff, him firing and blacklisting Eccelston, letting John Barrowman get away with it. (Changed my mind on that. At first I thought it was just John dicking about with friends. As I said actors do all kinds of shit to each other you'd never dream of doing in a regular job, like Troughton pulling down Wendy Padbury's skirt and shoving his fingers up her nose, which he does in the Mind Robber on screen when he shields her with the cloak to make her corpse which works, However I read a few things from extras I knew on the set, including a woman on Reddit who says that she told the higher ups dozens of times as she was extremely uncomfortable and upset she was told "John's the talent" so yeah that is extras being bullied and as it's sexual in nature, that is horrific, and whilst John should face repercussions, RTD should as well for being the one to create that atmosphere.) Then there was also the ming mong stuff and RTD telling fans to f*ck off, all of which has made me think RTD's a bit of a dick, though in all fairness I don't know the man so who knows. Also this has no comment on his work in case Rushy and Henshin think I'm trying to demonise New Who, as JNT was also lets be honest a dick too. He spat in Nicola Bryant's face and REALLY loved his twinks. Still yeah my point was I would never crowbarr in my own identity into DW if I was writing it, as honestly it's egocentric, but even then, even if it were just referencing your favourite singer, or writer that's still not as bad as after all the Doctor does love those kinds of things. Reality tv, making the Doctor every kind of sexuality on the spectrum to reflect the writer however? Not good as it doesn't fit and in the end all you'll be left with is your identity, rather than the Doctors. PS here is Gatwa's latest.    Honestly RTD had a bit of a cheek making a joke about Amy being inappropriate based on this.  To be fair my dream casting in the 00s was Tim Curry, but that was based on Clue rather than Rocky Horror, and obviously it goes without saying I would have wanted him to play it in a Clue fashion, NOT as Frank N Furter, though that would have been more hilarious than Jodie at least. Now we'll see if Gatwa does the same, but personally I'd wager anything that RTD cast him to make some stupid LGBT statement. BTW Gatwa is queer, he did come out, though apparently queer means not completely straight. I don't know what the difference between that and bisexual is honestly. I think queer maybe means a preference for men, but even then bisexual people aren't 50/50 gay and straight, it's a specturm too, so that seems like a silly distinction. Still either way he is not gay, so NPH's statements about him being the first gay Doctor Who do seem to be about his incarnation rather than the actor. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 4, 2023 12:15:20 GMT
Whichever way Gatwa swings, he looks ridiculous in each and every one of those photos
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Post by zarius on Sept 5, 2023 17:29:56 GMT
I'm not going to judge Ncuti's performance on his attitude and fashion choices. He looks pretty confident however he looks and he believes in himself and his brand of person. It's make or break for him with this part and he wants to make it.
And he's not exactly wrong in that interview. Doctor Who can't keep telling the same stories...the problem with that is, the stories that define the 'representation' he's searching for have ALSO been done to death. All in better shows and movies decades past, and even a few now here and there, Representation and diversity is entirely oversaturated now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 18:10:38 GMT
wait when was the Doctor ever gay Several times. The 11th Doctor said he had a robot boyfriend, and according to the Day of the Doctor novelisation is married to Captain Jack Harkness. The Ruth Doctor is meant to have had a husband (in reality her lover who was posing as her earth husband but still, and that's before William Hartnell. Also since Ruth was posing as a human for years through a chamelion arch and unaware of her life as the Doctor with this husband and they were a happy, lovey dovey couple it's very unlikely they didn't you know. Granted that was heterosexual in that the Doctor was a woman at the time but still it does mean that Hartnell in the first episode has had a husband and shagged a man many times LMAO.) The Master and the Doctor are meant to be former gay lovers in the revival back when they were on Gallifrey and men. RTD said they were soul mates many times, and said the only reason the Master didn't kill the Doctor in The Last of the Time Lords was because he loves him. Then there's Missy, who Moffat called the Doctors ex and appears to have based on a lot of his ex girlfriends and his general views of women in relationships. Moffat outright said that Missy killing Osgood was the new girl being killed by the ex. Really at this stage the Master is just a gay character now. Look at how Big Finish have approached the character. Every single actor they've cast in the role and not used from the tv show, is gay and campy and has played it accordingly.IE it's not like they cast a gay actor like Wentworth Miller. Then there is Yaz and Jodie. "Oh Yaz if I were going owt wi summit it wid be yuuuuuu." Then finally RTD gave him his first onscreen gay kiss with Captain Jack. EDIT update, I forgot that number 1 Amy Winehouse hater Neil Patrick Harris also said that Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will be gay. Now a lot of people felt that he was just talking about Gatwa as an actor. (If he was Geoffrey Bayldon would be the first.) www.indiewire.com/features/general/ncuti-gatwa-gay-doctor-who-neil-patrick-harris-1234747387/Still since Gatwa hasn't come out officially yet, then it's possible he might be talking about his version of the Doctor. All on top of him being non binary and transexual with Jodie. As a result of this DW is basically a gay show in the publics eyes now. Go on twitter and try and find me a fan who isn't trans, gay, lesbian, bisexual etc. I doubt you can. One of them that I know even joked "why do heterosexual people even watch DW." Also look at this joke from the recent Windsors Coronation Special. This is a sitcom that spoofs the Royal Family and is hilarious. Prince William: We don't need the Royal Family to unite us, what about the Beatles.
Villager: There's only so many times we can hear Paul McCartney say "we were just a really tight nit band."
Prince William: Well what about Doctor Who?
Villager: Noooo that's gone gay.
Again I have 0 objection to gay forms of entertainment and I'm not of the mind like others that gay forms of entertainment can't have mainstream appeal. FFS QUEEN are my favourite band after the Beatles and the best selling album of all time in Britain is Queen Greatest Hits. Also Xena naturally had a very special appeal to LGBT people due to it having two bisexual leads, and Buffy similarly was a very popular show with LGBT people and both were huge hits. Hell all my female singers are LGBT icons. FFS there is a video of Paloma Faith marrying two gay guys. I also am not saying that you can't have gay characters in the show either, or that having gay characters means something has gone gay. Actually I would have LOVED a gay, or a trans companion, who was just a normal character. IE it wasn't brought up as a political statement, the writers didn't call themselves a beacon in the darkness for LGBT people like RTD did. It was just an ordinary person who was gay or trans. That would be brilliant representation as it would help a minority be seen, and it would normalise it too by showing that it doesn't have to define a person. Not that there is anything wrong if being gay or bi is a big part of someone's personality, I mean hey for some straight guys their sexuality is a big part of their persona. Look at me and Maxil's posts on here LOL, but the problem with gay characters is that sadly this is seen as the default position to write them as being gay and camp and nothing else. (I'd argue even more so today. Back in the day, it was just stereotyping, today it is the writer desperately wanting you to know how progressive he is.) So yeah breaking out of that and having it that for some gay guys just like straight guys, it really is a minor part of their persona would be great and given its lack of focus on romance DW would have been the perfect vehicle to do that. Trans people even more so in this day and age given they've sadly been put at the centre of the stupid culture war. Being trans is seen as a political statement these days, so yes a trans companion who was just a normal person, fought Daleks, saved the Doctor would have been an extremely positive and daring thing to do. There is also absolutely no reason a companion can't be gay or trans within the rules of the show, as the companions are different people who come from all over the universe. Again this doesn't mean you'd focus on their love life more than you did the straight companions. They'd just be a companion, but you'd know they were gay, and in the end they'd go off with a member of the same sex, the way the straight companions were often married off (though you'd obviously make it better written than Leela's was LOL.) However again for RTD and his clique that wasn't enough. They had to change the entire fabric of the character to suit and reflect them and change its fanbase to suit them too. DW was never an LGBT show for its first 26 years. Yes it may have had a gay side of its fanbase, because some gay men took the Doctor being asexual as the closest thing they had to rep. Still ultimately the Doctor was asexual, romance and sex of any kind was extremely limited because the focus was on adventure, monsters and derring do, and as seen with the sad case of April Walker being let go, that was something the producers and actors took very seriously. Still this gave it an appeal to EVERYONE, gay, straight, right wing, left wing because it was pure escapism. There's no denying that the show has been changed. I mean you might not think that's a bad thing, but it has been changed to be an LGBT show, and I might add one that is quite exclusively so. IE there's an attitude, one that RTD has bred that gay people get the show more, that it's really there's and straight people are just along for the ride. (He basically said this in an interview about how gays are the most creative people and that's why they get DW.) Also if you disagree with ANY gay interpretation of a character like the Master, you are ran out of the fandom and demonised as a vile homophobic monster. Hell just wanting to do an old school version of DW where he is an asexual, grandfatherly character and the Master is his Moriarty, you will be deemed homophobic and wanting to take something away from LGBT people. All of this is as a result of RTD being an egotist as he was the one that started this trend, and his mates continued it. Again it does not mean that this is something that happens if you let gay or trans people take over something. JNT was gay and he didn't do what RTD did. Like I said it's not a gay or straight thing, it's all about the person and whether or not they can divorce themselves when writing other people's characters. People go after RTD for his "gay agenda," but nobody ever mentions the fact that 99% of people that are gay in his era are men. I think there's a lesbian character in Midnight and an old married couple in Gridlock, but hardly anyone significant. I'm not saying this as somebody that just wants to see women kiss each other, by the way. I think Moffat succeeded in making sure both were represented. |
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Post by iank on Sept 5, 2023 22:01:20 GMT
I am unconvinced RTD can turn the sinking ship around after the disaster of the previous era - doesn't help that, until Chinballs, his was my least favourite era and even with New Who I've far more time for the Moffat era - but whatever happens with the modern show I feel somewhat reenthused with the old. I think Zee must have misread or misremembered this post if he thought this sounded like I was enthusiastic for Davies!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 6, 2023 11:18:39 GMT
I am unconvinced RTD can turn the sinking ship around after the disaster of the previous era - doesn't help that, until Chinballs, his was my least favourite era and even with New Who I've far more time for the Moffat era - but whatever happens with the modern show I feel somewhat reenthused with the old. I think Zee must have misread or misremembered this post if he thought this sounded like I was enthusiastic for Davies! Haha yeah no offence to Zarius but he got that wrong. Not that I have anything against RTD fans like Rushy, Yak Emperor or Henshin, but I don't think that you are too fond of RTD based on your previous posts. You don't hate his guts as much as Genki Monk, but that's not saying much. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 6, 2023 11:33:34 GMT
I'm not going to judge Ncuti's performance on his attitude and fashion choices. He looks pretty confident however he looks and he believes in himself and his brand of person. It's make or break for him with this part and he wants to make it. And he's not exactly wrong in that interview. Doctor Who can't keep telling the same stories...the problem with that is, the stories that define the 'representation' he's searching for have ALSO been done to death. All in better shows and movies decades past, and even a few now here and there, Representation and diversity is entirely oversaturated now The problem I have with all of it though is this. He goes on about how DW can't keep telling the same stories. Okay, great, but in his and the people who run its minds that seems to translate more into smashing up the essentials of the Doctors character, rather than in coming up with new worlds, monsters or situations. IE it's new because the Doctor is gay and wears dresses and is a slut (his own words NOT mine. I personally don't like using the word slut as it's very 19th century prude to me, and again I have 0 issues with a lead character being a gay/cross dressing/ slut, but that clearly isn't the Doctor.) Meanwhile the show is being run by the same guy from 2005-2010, same music, same producer Phil Collinson, and RTD is using all the same tricks, celebrity cameos as themselves and cameos from the latest faddy tv show (weakest link, Davina McColl's show about finding your parents), old companions from classic who brought back for no reason other than member berries (Sarah, Jo, Mel), stories set in modern day England about aliens invading the earth, soap opera about the companions home life, LGBT issues at the forefront, and on top of all that he's brought back an old Doctor to start it off and old companions too as well as a new one named after an old one. It's typical of what is wrong with new who. Paul Cornell's approach of in order to do good DW you have to smash up what came before, which has resulted in each era focused on that, than in telling good stories, resulting in the worst of all worlds. IE continuity porn, same tired old types of stories, that drive new viewers away, whilst old viewers who get the continuity porn hating it as the essentials and identity of what they loved are being destroyed. It still hasn't learned its lesson after two eras, Capaldi and Jodie enjoyed record breaking failures as a result. I've said it before I'll say it again. Pigeons learn faster than DW producers. |
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Post by zarius on Sept 8, 2023 9:05:40 GMT
I am unconvinced RTD can turn the sinking ship around after the disaster of the previous era - doesn't help that, until Chinballs, his was my least favourite era and even with New Who I've far more time for the Moffat era - but whatever happens with the modern show I feel somewhat reenthused with the old. I think Zee must have misread or misremembered this post if he thought this sounded like I was enthusiastic for Davies! How did I miss the "Un.." in 'Unconvinced', sorry mate |
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Post by iank on Sept 8, 2023 21:33:02 GMT
lols |
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