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Post by burrunjor on Aug 29, 2023 15:06:58 GMT
I wonder if Yak feels the same way now? I went through something very similar, but it was doing a live stream with my friends about it has revived my love for Classic Who. Still will not watch any of New Who now, but the original, like I said I'm going to watch the longest arc in the shows history. The Web of Fear to the Deadly Assassin soon. you should do it from Unearthly Child to Assassin lol, starting with the Doctor's exile and ending with him being redeemed in the eyes of the Time Lords XD (squeeze in some Hartnells dammit) or better still, from Unearthly Child to Power of the Doctor - from a simple man wandering the universe to an insane mental breakdown!  Honestly I thought about it, but there is too much of the Hartnell era incomplete. Plus I've rewatched a lot of Hartnells more recently, including the bumper in the Beginning boxset. Plus I think if I start from Hartnell who has 120 episodes, I'll get sucked into watching the whole thing. As it is now I see it as a very definite arc to get absorbed in for the next few weeks. (Remember it's not all of the Troughton era. It's just Web of Fear, Mind Robber, The Invasion and War Games to lead into Pertwee.) The Doctor being dicked about by his people, and forging a connection with humanity, both of which make him more domesticated, start in the Web of Fear via the introduction of the Brig, whilst the Hand of Fear and Deadly Assassin end it, as he parts ways with Sarah his last link to his human family in the former, and then he makes peace with the Time Lords who let him leave and go off into the universe again in the latter. You can almost see the Face of Evil as a soft reboot in a way, with the Doctor now a completely free agent again and I like the way less time is spent on contemporary earth from then on in Tom's time to reinforce that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 15:25:42 GMT
you should do it from Unearthly Child to Assassin lol, starting with the Doctor's exile and ending with him being redeemed in the eyes of the Time Lords XD (squeeze in some Hartnells dammit) or better still, from Unearthly Child to Power of the Doctor - from a simple man wandering the universe to an insane mental breakdown! Honestly I thought about it, but there is too much of the Hartnell era incomplete. Plus I've rewatched a lot of Hartnells more recently, including the bumper in the Beginning boxset. Plus I think if I start from Hartnell who has 120 episodes, I'll get sucked into watching the whole thing. As it is now I see it as a very definite arc to get absorbed in for the next few weeks. (Remember it's not all of the Troughton era. It's just Web of Fear, Mind Robber, The Invasion and War Games to lead into Pertwee.) The Doctor being dicked about by his people, and forging a connection with humanity, both of which make him more domesticated, start in the Web of Fear via the introduction of the Brig, whilst the Hand of Fear and Deadly Assassin end it, as he parts ways with Sarah his last link to his human family in the former, and then he makes peace with the Time Lords who let him leave and go off into the universe again in the latter. You can almost see the Face of Evil as a soft reboot in a way, with the Doctor now a completely free agent again and I like the way less time is spent on contemporary earth from then on in Tom's time to reinforce that. There's only three serials in the first two seasons that are affected by the junking process. Season 2 is pretty much complete barring two episodes. Season 3 is mostly missing however. I'm actually finding the Purvis narration of the soundtracks a perfectly serviceable way to fill in the gaps. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 29, 2023 16:46:30 GMT
I mainly watched the recons because the Perrymans were doing it for Wife and Space. I had a lot of fun comparing notes. There are some real gems in there that deserve reappraisal
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Post by zarius on Aug 30, 2023 15:12:32 GMT
I see of Iank's posts from January have aged like fine mint wine.
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Post by iank on Aug 30, 2023 21:00:37 GMT
I don't know what you mean, but when don't they?  |
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Post by zarius on Aug 31, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
I don't know what you mean, but when don't they? You said in January you thought RTD would turn the ship around and I've seen you pivot from that over the last few months when you learned more |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 31, 2023 15:55:46 GMT
I don't know what you mean, but when don't they? You said in January you thought RTD would turn the ship around and I've seen you pivot from that over the last few months when you learned more He said RTD would turn the ship around? That doesn't sound like Iank? He hates RTD? Not as much as I hate Neil Patrick Harris but still LOL. Anyway Gatwa has spoken out and honestly I nearly pissed myself laughing.  Yeah you're right Gatwa. It is annoying to see the same people run things for eternity and make the same old stories. Hence why DW is being made by the same guy who made it in 2008 (whose best friends have produced it in the interim.) Starring the same actor, the same actress as his companion and a new actress playing someone named after his old companion. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 16:08:45 GMT
RTD and Gatwa have sounded very ranty lately. The latter should remember he's the main actor of a show that still has an incredibly huge child fanbase and shouldn't be effing and blinding in interviews like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 16:11:33 GMT
A lot of people involved with NuWho have very little class. To be honest I'm unsure if I want to support an era run by someone who blindly calls people c*nts and refers to those that don't like his work as ming mongs. It's funny because the Abzorbaloff's demeanour resembles him more than Ian Levine.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 31, 2023 17:00:47 GMT
A lot of people involved with NuWho have very little class. To be honest I'm unsure if I want to support an era run by someone who blindly calls people c*nts and refers to those that don't like his work as ming mongs. It's funny because the Abzorbaloff's demeanour resembles him more than Ian Levine. The Abzorbaloff completely resembles RTD and his role in fandom. A proper parody of Ian Levine and his role in fandom would be an obsessive guy who actually does get great results that benefit people in the community, but is so prickly and precious about them he's disliked in the community. A guy who is really well off he can indulge in his past times, which on the one hand makes him so good at it, but on the other, also a big spoiled child LOL. As for what would represent RTD Hmm let's see, the Abzorbaloff absorbing the Doctors other followers at LINDA until they're all part of him? Well that's pretty much what RTD has done to official fandom who are now all a bland hive who all think what he thinks. "Contrary opinions don't get a look in." The whole metaphor that the Abzorbaloff like Ian can't just like the Doctor, he has to own him, consume him and make finding the Doctor/ the show all about him. LMAO is Russell taking the piss with this one? Russell, you a Welsh, gay man who loves reality tv, took over DW and set every other story in Wales. You crowbarred in the tackiest reality tv shows that are the literal antithesis to the kind of show DW is supposed to be. You and your like minded mates also turned what was a completely sexless character into an LGBT character in every possible way. Between you, Moffat and Chinballs, the Doctor has now been rewritten to be transgender, bisexual, non binary, had a husband (before William Hartnell as seen with Jo Martin's Doctor.) Had several on screen gay kisses, become a lesbian, and has also been retconned into being the Masters gay lover and made jokes about having a banana up his arse "take banana's to parties". Anyone who tries to write in the actual facts that the Master was originally supposed to be his brother, or that Jamie and Troughton weren't gay lovers, that there wasn't steamy UST between Delgado and Pertwee, gets banned and viciously attacked as homophobes from huge websites like TV Tropes and Idioms, wikipedia as a result of your influence! Similarly your mate and the guy you chose to succeed you did exactly the same. He's Scottish so similarly every single f*cking person in it has to be Scottish. Doctor, Companion, Silurian woman, Master etc. He was a womanizer and likes bad girls and dominatrix's so all the Doctors romances have to be that and the Doctor has to go on about picking girls up, and hell in high hells etc. The Master even has to be turned into a sexist caricature of his ex wife! It would be like if I took over DW and rewrote the character to be a huge Amy Winehouse fan, also only cast Scottish people and had him constantly go on about how big nosed women are the hottest. To be honest those wouldn't be as jarring and out of place. Well the big nosed women one certainly would LOL, but seriously. Having the Doctor name drop Amy the way he does the Beatles and Hendrix "Ah Amy Winehouse lovely woman." I don't think would be as jarring as him and the Master being gay lovers, or River Song going on about bondagey sex with the Doctor. No one is saying you can't bring your interests into the show to be fair, but they have to be appropriate. IE Robert Holmes did one about Egyptian mythology because it was a big interest of his. He didn't however set every other story in the town he grew up in, or let us know what type of woman he wants to shag in the story. Also the idea that the Abzorbaloff removes any fun from Linda talking about the Doctor, going on about how success in finding the Doctor is all that matters is like Ian. Ehm hello? This from RTD and his clique who justify trashing and throwing out every single sacred cow they can from the original on the grounds that now the stupid shallow panel show twerps and the unimaginative plodders who hated the original think we're keeeewwwwwwllllll. Finally the line "it used to be fun before you turned up." Yeah when I was a boy in the 90s, DW was just a fun, imaginative show about monsters. Now it's become a battle ground for the culture war and everybody's sexual hang ups and prejudices. Who was responsible for that? The Abzorbaloff is the perfect metaphor for RTD and the Fitzroy Clique's influence overall. |
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Post by iank on Aug 31, 2023 21:01:59 GMT
Nc*nti's rant is not only rather sad and embarrassing but also rather telling - so he's saying that the show now WILL be all about the fact that the Doctor is black now?
Thanks for the warning.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 31, 2023 21:26:06 GMT
Nc*nti's rant is not only rather sad and embarrassing but also rather telling - so he's saying that the show now WILL be all about the fact that the Doctor is black now? Thanks for the warning. Funny thing is I got into a bit of a fight with Barnaby Edwards on twitter recently, because he was trying to make out that the press were so homophobic for trying to make out that RTD would make DW gay when he brought it back in 2005, because he was gay. I pointed out that the reporter was right! Well at least about making the show gay. Again the Doctor has been everything on the LGBT specturm. Homosexual with the Master, transgender, non binary, bisexual, lesbian etc. Of course this doesn't mean that a gay man would always do that. JNT who was gay, for all his faults he didn't have to stamp his own identity on the character to the same extent. Of course Barnaby tried to make out I was homophobic for that, but I was simply pointing out that it's a trend of New Who writers to change the Doctor into being whatever they are. IE gay and always in Cardiff in Welsh gay man RTD's case, a ladies man and Scottish and stalked by a caricature of Moff's ex wife in Moffat's case. Barnaby insisted that I was just a bigoted fan this show should leave behind, so I brought up Neil Patrick Harris' culinary habits and how the show is happy to embrace that and bizarrely he didn't respond to that. At least he didn't block me, but it is funny how big a blunder RTD made in casting that sicko. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 31, 2023 21:35:27 GMT
wait when was the Doctor ever gay
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 1, 2023 8:52:10 GMT
wait when was the Doctor ever gay Several times. The 11th Doctor said he had a robot boyfriend, and according to the Day of the Doctor novelisation is married to Captain Jack Harkness. The Ruth Doctor is meant to have had a husband (in reality her lover who was posing as her earth husband but still, and that's before William Hartnell. Also since Ruth was posing as a human for years through a chamelion arch and unaware of her life as the Doctor with this husband and they were a happy, lovey dovey couple it's very unlikely they didn't you know. Granted that was heterosexual in that the Doctor was a woman at the time but still it does mean that Hartnell in the first episode has had a husband and shagged a man many times LMAO.) The Master and the Doctor are meant to be former gay lovers in the revival back when they were on Gallifrey and men. RTD said they were soul mates many times, and said the only reason the Master didn't kill the Doctor in The Last of the Time Lords was because he loves him. Then there's Missy, who Moffat called the Doctors ex and appears to have based on a lot of his ex girlfriends and his general views of women in relationships. Moffat outright said that Missy killing Osgood was the new girl being killed by the ex. Really at this stage the Master is just a gay character now. Look at how Big Finish have approached the character. Every single actor they've cast in the role and not used from the tv show, is gay and campy and has played it accordingly.IE it's not like they cast a gay actor like Wentworth Miller. Then there is Yaz and Jodie. "Oh Yaz if I were going owt wi summit it wid be yuuuuuu." Then finally RTD gave him his first onscreen gay kiss with Captain Jack. EDIT update, I forgot that number 1 Amy Winehouse hater Neil Patrick Harris also said that Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will be gay. Now a lot of people felt that he was just talking about Gatwa as an actor. (If he was Geoffrey Bayldon would be the first.) www.indiewire.com/features/general/ncuti-gatwa-gay-doctor-who-neil-patrick-harris-1234747387/Still since Gatwa hasn't come out officially yet, then it's possible he might be talking about his version of the Doctor. All on top of him being non binary and transexual with Jodie. As a result of this DW is basically a gay show in the publics eyes now. Go on twitter and try and find me a fan who isn't trans, gay, lesbian, bisexual etc. I doubt you can. One of them that I know even joked "why do heterosexual people even watch DW." Also look at this joke from the recent Windsors Coronation Special. This is a sitcom that spoofs the Royal Family and is hilarious. Prince William: We don't need the Royal Family to unite us, what about the Beatles.
Villager: There's only so many times we can hear Paul McCartney say "we were just a really tight nit band."
Prince William: Well what about Doctor Who?
Villager: Noooo that's gone gay.
Again I have 0 objection to gay forms of entertainment and I'm not of the mind like others that gay forms of entertainment can't have mainstream appeal. FFS QUEEN are my favourite band after the Beatles and the best selling album of all time in Britain is Queen Greatest Hits. Also Xena naturally had a very special appeal to LGBT people due to it having two bisexual leads, and Buffy similarly was a very popular show with LGBT people and both were huge hits. Hell all my female singers are LGBT icons. FFS there is a video of Paloma Faith marrying two gay guys. I also am not saying that you can't have gay characters in the show either, or that having gay characters means something has gone gay. Actually I would have LOVED a gay, or a trans companion, who was just a normal character. IE it wasn't brought up as a political statement, the writers didn't call themselves a beacon in the darkness for LGBT people like RTD did. It was just an ordinary person who was gay or trans. That would be brilliant representation as it would help a minority be seen, and it would normalise it too by showing that it doesn't have to define a person. Not that there is anything wrong if being gay or bi is a big part of someone's personality, I mean hey for some straight guys their sexuality is a big part of their persona. Look at me and Maxil's posts on here LOL, but the problem with gay characters is that sadly this is seen as the default position to write them as being gay and camp and nothing else. (I'd argue even more so today. Back in the day, it was just stereotyping, today it is the writer desperately wanting you to know how progressive he is.) So yeah breaking out of that and having it that for some gay guys just like straight guys, it really is a minor part of their persona would be great and given its lack of focus on romance DW would have been the perfect vehicle to do that. Trans people even more so in this day and age given they've sadly been put at the centre of the stupid culture war. Being trans is seen as a political statement these days, so yes a trans companion who was just a normal person, fought Daleks, saved the Doctor would have been an extremely positive and daring thing to do. There is also absolutely no reason a companion can't be gay or trans within the rules of the show, as the companions are different people who come from all over the universe. Again this doesn't mean you'd focus on their love life more than you did the straight companions. They'd just be a companion, but you'd know they were gay, and in the end they'd go off with a member of the same sex, the way the straight companions were often married off (though you'd obviously make it better written than Leela's was LOL.) However again for RTD and his clique that wasn't enough. They had to change the entire fabric of the character to suit and reflect them and change its fanbase to suit them too. DW was never an LGBT show for its first 26 years. Yes it may have had a gay side of its fanbase, because some gay men took the Doctor being asexual as the closest thing they had to rep. Still ultimately the Doctor was asexual, romance and sex of any kind was extremely limited because the focus was on adventure, monsters and derring do, and as seen with the sad case of April Walker being let go, that was something the producers and actors took very seriously. Still this gave it an appeal to EVERYONE, gay, straight, right wing, left wing because it was pure escapism. There's no denying that the show has been changed. I mean you might not think that's a bad thing, but it has been changed to be an LGBT show, and I might add one that is quite exclusively so. IE there's an attitude, one that RTD has bred that gay people get the show more, that it's really there's and straight people are just along for the ride. (He basically said this in an interview about how gays are the most creative people and that's why they get DW.) Also if you disagree with ANY gay interpretation of a character like the Master, you are ran out of the fandom and demonised as a vile homophobic monster. Hell just wanting to do an old school version of DW where he is an asexual, grandfatherly character and the Master is his Moriarty, you will be deemed homophobic and wanting to take something away from LGBT people. All of this is as a result of RTD being an egotist as he was the one that started this trend, and his mates continued it. Again it does not mean that this is something that happens if you let gay or trans people take over something. JNT was gay and he didn't do what RTD did. Like I said it's not a gay or straight thing, it's all about the person and whether or not they can divorce themselves when writing other people's characters. |
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Post by rushy on Sept 1, 2023 12:06:39 GMT
Only the 11th Doctor saying he had a robot boyfriend (which could've easily just been a flippant line) remotely counts in this list. Jack kissed the Doctor, not the other way around.
The only reference we ever got to the Doctor and Master being gay for each other is the Doctor referring to Gallifrey-era Master as his "man crush", and even that doesn't necessarily mean a romantic connection (although it is very very funny to imagine Hartnell being gay for James Dreyfus)
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