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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 22:07:57 GMT
Silver Nemesis puts the 50th to shame  |
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Post by iank on Aug 16, 2022 22:14:00 GMT
lols
It's funny because it's true.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 17, 2022 7:58:47 GMT
Tennant has confirmed at a convention in the US that the stuff he and Tate have shot is only a very small cog in the anniversary specials and that other returning actors have largely been shot in studio or in quiet locations so have been able to be kept secret. Big speculation that Paul McGann, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are back, as well as Karen Gillan (who seems to have been dropping possible hints of such on Instagram), Arthur Darville and John Simm. If this is true, I have to admit that together with the Beep the Meep style madness this could end up putting the 50th to shame (not too difficult). What if Pissy Missy is back though? |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 17, 2022 12:24:36 GMT
Tennant has confirmed at a convention in the US that the stuff he and Tate have shot is only a very small cog in the anniversary specials and that other returning actors have largely been shot in studio or in quiet locations so have been able to be kept secret. Big speculation that Paul McGann, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are back, as well as Karen Gillan (who seems to have been dropping possible hints of such on Instagram), Arthur Darville and John Simm. If this is true, I have to admit that together with the Beep the Meep style madness this could end up putting the 50th to shame (not too difficult). What if Pissy Missy is back though? Remember the first episode of The Young Ones. Remember what Rick dose to the tv after watching Nosin Around? I picture you and me doing that. |
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Post by cyberhat on Aug 20, 2022 0:19:28 GMT
The Five(ish) Doctors was the best thing about the 50th by a country mile.
Giving John Hurt nothing to do and having a scene with Tom Baker I don't think even the writer understood doesn't quite cut it.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 20, 2022 0:44:38 GMT
The Five(ish) Doctors was the best thing about the 50th by a country mile. Giving John Hurt nothing to do and having a scene with Tom Baker I don't think even the writer understood doesn't quite cut it. Thats not even touching on how utter garbage the story is. It pretty much makes all that Time War angst the Doctor's been carrying around since 2005 feel hollow, and with Chibbs would then destroy Gallifrey again in his era, I can't help but make comparisons to the plot line tennis match that was the Disney Star War movies. I really don't know what was going on if Moffats mind on that one, he refused to let McGan be the War Doctor and then washes away the Doctor's final sacrifice to save the universe from the Time War. Worse his super edgy, killer War Doctor comes of as just a nice old man. What about this guy screams Warrior to you? McCoy had more edge. What is it with nuwho writers and their constant need to not only rewrite the classic era, but their direct predecessors also? Don't get me wrong, RTW's era is not a bed of roses, but at list in the Classic era people left other peoples work alone. And then we have Clara coming along and making all the Doctors look like idiotic twats. She literally kneecaps any of the emotional scenes the Doctor has by preventing them from actually making choices of their own. |
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Post by iank on Aug 20, 2022 1:56:26 GMT
As much as I vastly prefer the Moffat era to the RTD one, Day is such a clusterf**k. So many foolish decisions and roads not taken. McGann should have been the first port of call once Eccles said feck off. Past Doctors and companions should have been represented by the Moment, which instead takes the form of someone the Hurt Doctor doesn't even know. Nonsensical.
And the Zygons, which seem to be there solely cause Tennant liked them, as their invasion subplot has sweet fa to do with the main Time War plot (I don't mind reversing the Gallifrey destruction, as by that logic RTD had no right to destroy it in the first place as it wasn't his creation, plus the Last of... stuff was tiresome as eff).
It's bad to the point of being bafflingly so, feeling like Moffat is terrified of alienating the lamestream crowd to the point of barely being a celebration at all. Meanwhile Davies is putting old villains from f*****g comic books in his anniversary!
Weird.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 20, 2022 12:24:26 GMT
As much as I vastly prefer the Moffat era to the RTD one, Day is such a clusterf**k. So many foolish decisions and roads not taken. McGann should have been the first port of call once Eccles said feck off. Past Doctors and companions should have been represented by the Moment, which instead takes the form of someone the Hurt Doctor doesn't even know. Nonsensical. And the Zygons, which seem to be there solely cause Tennant liked them, as their invasion subplot has sweet fa to do with the main Time War plot (I don't mind reversing the Gallifrey destruction, as by that logic RTD had no right to destroy it in the first place as it wasn't his creation, plus the Last of... stuff was tiresome as eff). It's bad to the point of being bafflingly so, feeling like Moffat is terrified of alienating the lamestream crowd to the point of barely being a celebration at all. Meanwhile Davies is putting old villains from f*****g comic books in his anniversary! Weird. Well as I see it, the 50th was when nuwho mania was still at the height of its power. These days the show is, despite what people say, in the f*cking shitter. |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 20, 2022 12:45:03 GMT
As much as I vastly prefer the Moffat era to the RTD one, Day is such a clusterf**k. So many foolish decisions and roads not taken. McGann should have been the first port of call once Eccles said feck off. Past Doctors and companions should have been represented by the Moment, which instead takes the form of someone the Hurt Doctor doesn't even know. Nonsensical. And the Zygons, which seem to be there solely cause Tennant liked them, as their invasion subplot has sweet fa to do with the main Time War plot (I don't mind reversing the Gallifrey destruction, as by that logic RTD had no right to destroy it in the first place as it wasn't his creation, plus the Last of... stuff was tiresome as eff). It's bad to the point of being bafflingly so, feeling like Moffat is terrified of alienating the lamestream crowd to the point of barely being a celebration at all. Meanwhile Davies is putting old villains from f*****g comic books in his anniversary! Weird. Well as I see it, the 50th was when nuwho mania was still at the height of its power. These days the show is, despite what people say, in the f*cking shitter. Funny thing is New Who hasn't been a mainstream hit for almost a decade now. 2013 was the last time it was a big, huge mainstream show. Even then it was beginning to wane a bit, with the 50th being the thing that gave it that huge push. Still 7 years as a mainstream hit, not bad going, but overall Classic Who actually had longer! Other than Troughton's last year it was a mainstream hit for about 22 f*cking years. Now obviously I am NOT saying that means it was better, but it is funny when gits like Jon Blum always go on about how the RTD formula is the most successful from a commercial point of view. Actually was it? A big hit for a while in the late 00s/10s (a lot of which was cashing in on nostalgia from the original) and since 2013 it has actually dragged the show to viewers lows that even the original when it was being actively sabotaged never did. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 20, 2022 18:43:04 GMT
I don't envy RTD at all. In order to find a new mainstream fandom, he will have to start from scratch. Except this time, the continuity clusterf*ck of Series 8-12 will loom over the newer seasons in a way that Classic Who never did over his original run. How he will cope with that, I have no idea.
For the 60th, he's obviously trying to reel in the fans of his own era, and that's a start I suppose.
But there's still so much work left to be done. RTD doesn't seem like the type to go full reboot and pretend the last few years never happened, so he will somehow have to work around/with the Timeless Child arc and Gallifrey's re-destruction, whilst having it make total sense to any newcomers. AND please the fans who stuck with the show since he left.
He might never touch the Doctor's backstory at all (since that's the easiest way out, and it worked during the 60s), but that doesn't really seem like RTD either. He's too much of a soap opera writer to leave it be.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 20, 2022 19:23:02 GMT
I don't envy RTD at all. In order to find a new mainstream fandom, he will have to start from scratch. Except this time, the continuity clusterf*ck of Series 8-12 will loom over the newer seasons in a way that Classic Who never did over his original run. How he will cope with that, I have no idea. For the 60th, he's obviously trying to reel in the fans of his own era, and that's a start I suppose. But there's still so much work left to be done. RTD doesn't seem like the type to go full reboot and pretend the last few years never happened, so he will somehow have to work around/with the Timeless Child arc and Gallifrey's re-destruction, whilst having it make total sense to any newcomers. AND please the fans who stuck with the show since he left. He might never touch the Doctor's backstory at all (since that's the easiest way out, and it worked during the 60s), but that doesn't really seem like RTD either. He's too much of a soap opera writer to leave it be. Agreed I think he has been rash in taking this offer. To me the best course of action would have been to axe it after Jodie's last episode and then wait a few years and then do an alternate sequel that ignores New Who. RTD might have been able to get by that way, but straight on from the Chibnall era is not a good idea at all. It's just too toxic, but any direct retcon at this stage will seem like a cop out and an admission that they f*cked up, which they can never do. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 20, 2022 21:31:05 GMT
I don't envy RTD at all. In order to find a new mainstream fandom, he will have to start from scratch. Except this time, the continuity clusterf*ck of Series 8-12 will loom over the newer seasons in a way that Classic Who never did over his original run. How he will cope with that, I have no idea. For the 60th, he's obviously trying to reel in the fans of his own era, and that's a start I suppose. But there's still so much work left to be done. RTD doesn't seem like the type to go full reboot and pretend the last few years never happened, so he will somehow have to work around/with the Timeless Child arc and Gallifrey's re-destruction, whilst having it make total sense to any newcomers. AND please the fans who stuck with the show since he left. He might never touch the Doctor's backstory at all (since that's the easiest way out, and it worked during the 60s), but that doesn't really seem like RTD either. He's too much of a soap opera writer to leave it be. Agreed I think he has been rash in taking this offer. To me the best course of action would have been to axe it after Jodie's last episode and then wait a few years and then do an alternate sequel that ignores New Who. RTD might have been able to get by that way, but straight on from the Chibnall era is not a good idea at all. It's just too toxic, but any direct retcon at this stage will seem like a cop out and an admission that they f*cked up, which they can never do. Retconning New Who will never happen, the Tennant era alone had far too much of an impact on popular culture. |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 21, 2022 7:59:23 GMT
Agreed I think he has been rash in taking this offer. To me the best course of action would have been to axe it after Jodie's last episode and then wait a few years and then do an alternate sequel that ignores New Who. RTD might have been able to get by that way, but straight on from the Chibnall era is not a good idea at all. It's just too toxic, but any direct retcon at this stage will seem like a cop out and an admission that they f*cked up, which they can never do. Retconning New Who will never happen, the Tennant era alone had far too much of an impact on popular culture. You see this is what annoys me about new who. This clearly shows that it wants to inject itself all over the history of classic who. There have been plenty of other instances of sequels, series, adaptations being ignored. In fact that is the norm for most characters, like Batman, Sherlock Holmes, etc. Why can't it be the same for DW? There is absolutely no reason for it not too, and it's funny how all of this RTD had to abandon continuity in order to win round the mainstream viewers didn't apply for his work which is as old now, as the classic era was back when he started. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 21, 2022 12:10:20 GMT
Retconning New Who will never happen, the Tennant era alone had far too much of an impact on popular culture. You see this is what annoys me about new who. This clearly shows that it wants to inject itself all over the history of classic who. There have been plenty of other instances of sequels, series, adaptations being ignored. In fact that is the norm for most characters, like Batman, Sherlock Holmes, etc. Why can't it be the same for DW? There is absolutely no reason for it not too, and it's funny how all of this RTD had to abandon continuity in order to win round the mainstream viewers didn't apply for his work which is as old now, as the classic era was back when he started. The difference here is that new Doctor Who isn't officially a sequel or adaptation. In the BBC's eyes (and even much of the audience), it was simply on extended hiatus and then came back. Whether an episode aired in 2005 or 1975 doesn't matter. Also, the sequels and adaptations that usually get scrapped are ones that didn't make money/failed to generate a fanbase. New Who only enters that territory in its later years. Meaning that anyone trying for a reboot would be only be dropping Whittaker and Capaldi. We'd go right back to Last of the Time Lords, the Oncoming Storm etc. |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 21, 2022 12:17:32 GMT
You see this is what annoys me about new who. This clearly shows that it wants to inject itself all over the history of classic who. There have been plenty of other instances of sequels, series, adaptations being ignored. In fact that is the norm for most characters, like Batman, Sherlock Holmes, etc. Why can't it be the same for DW? There is absolutely no reason for it not too, and it's funny how all of this RTD had to abandon continuity in order to win round the mainstream viewers didn't apply for his work which is as old now, as the classic era was back when he started. The difference here is that new Doctor Who isn't officially a sequel or adaptation. In the BBC's eyes (and even much of the audience), it was simply on extended hiatus and then came back. Whether an episode aired in 2005 or 1975 doesn't matter. Also, the sequels and adaptations that usually get scrapped are ones that didn't make money/failed to generate a fanbase. New Who only enters that territory in its later years. Meaning that anyone trying for a reboot would be only be dropping Whittaker and Capaldi. We'd go right back to Last of the Time Lords, the Oncoming Storm etc. Well in spite of some of my gripes with the RTD era I certainly would have no problem with just junking Capaldi and Jodie. I think a lot of us here including Clockwork and Iank would feel the same way. Still even if New Who was a good sequel, we are going to have to go to an alternate universe or a reboot somewhere down the line. Is DW airing in 2075 still going to be following the same continuity as now? |
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