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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 22:15:10 GMT
Whilever they still think there's money in the cash cow, they'll keep squeezing. Question is whether there is or not (there wasn't in the Chinballs era, which is why he was sacked). But Bad Wolf etc are spending a lot of money on a possibly poisoned franchise... Who knows, had this been literally any other era of TV it would have gotten the boot years ago. Despite Rani's above comment, lets be clear the show's probably in a worse place now then ever befor. As we've all said befor, when the axe came down on the classic is was because the BBC wanted it gone. Nuwho has had the BBC's support and yet they now, after 15 on are outsourcing the show. Why? Because it's just not worth them spending their own money it anymore. They are losing money, the show bleed viewers and they cannot afford to support this dead weight anymore. The only reason it's still on the air is because the BBC use it as one of their main propaganda pieces for modern social politics, or as we all know a cheap way to score imaginary browny points with certain vocal minorities so they can look good. Had the BBC been in Salem in 1692 you could be these wankers would be advocating the burning of witchs because thats how you score points socially back then. They are just now to keep outsourcing it, because that way they make money for no effort, until the franchise is so toxic that no even second or third parts would touch it with a barge pole. There not the only ones, word on the grape vine is that Disney is going to start outsourcing their marvel characters. Why? Because most of their comics are in the same state as nuwho. Most people don't want their crap, so again it's easier just to get others to do the work for you and jus get payed because you hold the licence. Yet this all only works if people want your stuff, and if it's still shit then the entropy effect will just keep going until the days when Doctor Who and Marvel heroes go from cultural icons to icons of the past, like Doc Savage, the Shadow and Tarzan. |
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Post by henshin on Dec 9, 2021 23:15:00 GMT
I'm predicting this; the fourteenth Doctor will be the final Doctor. The show will die and take a near twenty year hiatus. Whether or not RTD improves it is irrelevant. Not even the McCoy/Cartmel partnership could turn things around in the late 80s (and, to this day, that is among one of the most beloved eras of the show). The next Doctor is the last Doctor. I put money on it. People on here have been saying this since series 2. And they've been wrong every time. It's quite endearing. Yes, i've read those predictions in the past and, at all times, have disagreed with them because the numbers weren't on their side to support the prediction. Unlike those times, ratings are at their absolute lowest (and I don't just mean for the timeslot or as a comparison to the major numbers the RTD era attracted - but just low in terms of what is acceptable for BBC television). Meanwhile, merchandise sales are suffering, while even the fans on Gallifrey Base can't stand Flux. Again, RTD may help to turn things around, but isn't it reminding you a little too much of the McCoy/Cartmel era? |
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Post by Genkimonk on Dec 10, 2021 0:21:41 GMT
A question to Rani. Do you like the Chibnal era? What is your opinion regarding this timeless child lark?
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 10, 2021 9:22:32 GMT
A question to Rani. Do you like the Chibnal era? What is your opinion regarding this timeless child lark? Nothing personal against Rani, but I think he falls into the category of just wants DW on the air regardless. Obviously he's nothing like Peter D Nolan, as he can A/ debate with someone like an adult. B/ isn't an abusive dickhead. C/ can cope with people having other opinions. D/ is charming and funny. Still I can't help but feel at this stage that what is the point of even defending the Jodie era anymore other than just to have DW limp on in some way? I get why say Claudia Boleyn would defend the Jodie era. I'm not just saying that because I like her LOL. Claudia hasn't really watched much of the classic era, and has a dog in the fight politically. She incorrectly thinks Jodie's Doctor is a big deal for women. Ironically despite liking Claudia personally, I still think she is the type of fan that we shouldn't pander too, as she doesn't know the history of the character and cares more about political statements. (Which given her evident lack of knowledge of the history of the sci fi and fantasy genres where there have been hundreds of better leading ladies, who don't scrunch their face up like Arnold Rimmer! She's wrong about Jodie being a big statement for women too.) For someone like Rani, or Peter D Nolan who grew up with the original and has an extensive knowledge of it, why defend it other than because it's your football team that you don't want to see lose/go off the air? Here we have a leading character with a totally different backstory, origin, and personality to the Doctor, you know the character you presumably were a fan of in the first place? Similarly even the Cybermen, the Master etc bare no resemblance to their original counterparts (though that's been true since the RTD era.) It would be like if I a lifelong Batman fan got behind a version of that character that lived on the moon, ate people, was a giant monster etc, and tried to say "no this is exactly like Batman, he was always about change, because at one point we didn't know his parents had been murdered. That was a change and so this is completely comparable." At what point do you guys realise that now you're basically just a fan of a name. Doctor Who. That's it. That's basically all that is left of the thing you were a fan of in the first place. Worse by defending this imposter, you're helping to not only stop the original from actually coming back, but you're helping to taint its legacy. You're proving all the twats who said DW was a thing of the past right, as evidently the only way it could come back is if it threw away everything that made it DW in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 14:44:25 GMT
I just wish I wasn't banned from Gallifrey Base so I could rub it in the little shits faces. Also are those monsters Critters? I loved those movies. Funny thing is the second movie actually had an alien transexual character, but it was done so much better than Jodie. Mostly because the actress didn't scrunch her face up, and talk in a squeaky voice like "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'm right mad I am." I've only seen the first two movies once, but I enjoyed both and I do remember the hot transexual character. My favourite is still the first because of Dee Wallace though. She's awesome. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 22:31:16 GMT
You can tell what an unhealthy addiction is right away when Chibs fans are saying "Yeah, I know it sucks, but I love it anyway" They're making no excuses anymore, no spin, no counter arguments, they understand what the concerns are, they share them, but they don't care. They're willing to steer their ships straight through the iceberg and won't use the lifeboats. The first sign you want to overcome an addiction is admitting you have a problem, not just understanding why people know you have one, these people just want to watch their world burn. To be honest I think you might be on to something. Look at say Peter D Nolan. He is the arsehole on Gallifrey Base known as Nullain. I'm not doxxing him to be clear. His GB profile has links to articles he's written, his twitter, plus he runs some cosplay competition or something. Finally he also has himself in his profile picture, so yeah his identity isn't a secret. Now Nolan was exceptionally abusive to me for criticising saint Jodie. He was the one who accused me of being sexually intimidated by Jodie, and also said I was a freak with weird sexual hang ups, called me the worst DW fan who ever lived, a coward, a moron and a piece of shit. I always just assumed he was a white knight, or a shill, but to be honest I think for him DW is a kind of addiction. He constantly posts pictures of himself dressed up as all the different incarnations of the Doctor, runs competitions based around the show for virtually no profit, writes articles for websites, his profile even mentions dragging his wife across the country to visit police boxes! It's not just a show he likes, or even a hobby he sometimes writes about, or a way of making money like it is ironically for gits like Chibbers and Benji Cock. It's genuinely his entire life. I'm not saying "ohhh he's a saddo" for that just to be clear. Plenty of people get consumed by their interests that way, whether it's football or tv shows or whatever. Still just as a lot of sports fans become dicks when it comes to their favourite teams, then guys like him have such an unhealthy attachment to DW, that they are basically in a cult. Nullain will lap up ANYTHING with the Doctor Who logo. He praises every single episode as a 10/10, he collects even the most obscure Big Finish audios like "Jackie Tyler and Dodo Chaplet vs the Slitheen." He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child. He has lost any ability to look at the show in a critical way. It's like some kind of religion for him, and as a result he will become extremely abusive if you criticise it. I think this is what lots of DW fans are like nowadays, which is a damn shame. In fairness, I'm obsessed with the show myself and I wouldn't know how to cope if I couldn't watch it. I need it in my life especially the JNT era because when I fell out of love with who before and sold all my things I felt so empty as if a family member or good friend had gone away somewhere. I cling on to the classic era. It's even got to the point where I would rather accept eternal blackness than come back again in another lice and not be a fan of the series. I have a problem, but I have many other ones which Doctor Who helps distract me from. It's not just a show for me. It means a lot to many fans and I can understand the need for it to be on the air all the time. It's comforting for them to see the show in the listings. I don't personally because I have all the classic who I need on my DVD shelf and as long as I can watch them for the rest of my life I will be happy. |
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Post by iank on Dec 12, 2021 22:40:53 GMT
I don't think there's anything remotely wrong with the show being a comfort blanket of sorts. We all need them in this increasingly miserable, crazy world. But there's a big difference between that and wilfully embracing crapola just because it has the same name as your comfort blanket!  |
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Post by henshin on Dec 13, 2021 0:03:51 GMT
The recent tweet above is fine; they're calling it for what it is - not great but, in their eyes, good fun.
I wish I could watch it in the same way, but I can't.
I can almost say the same for the Brosnan-era of 007, my favourite Bond. It's not a particularly smart era of Bond, and adopts some of the worst cliches from the Moore era. But I love it.
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Post by Monster X on Dec 13, 2021 8:50:30 GMT
At what point do you guys realise that now you're basically just a fan of a name. Doctor Who. That's it. That's basically all that is left of the thing you were a fan of in the first place.
Worse by defending this imposter, you're helping to not only stop the original from actually coming back, but you're helping to taint its legacy. You're proving all the twats who said DW was a thing of the past right, as evidently the only way it could come back is if it threw away everything that made it DW in the first place.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 13, 2021 9:23:41 GMT
The recent tweet above is fine; they're calling it for what it is - not great but, in their eyes, good fun. I wish I could watch it in the same way, but I can't. I can almost say the same for the Brosnan-era of 007, my favourite Bond. It's not a particularly smart era of Bond, and adopts some of the worst cliches from the Moore era. But I love it. The only Bronsan film I still really like is Goldeneye. I had a rewatch of them recently and was disappointed in Tomorrow Never Dies which I always thought was good when I was younger. Jonathan Pryce, though a good actor is one of the worst Bond villains. Goldeneye is a hoot meanwhile. Famke Janssen is one of the sexiest villains of all time. I'd be happy for her to kill me, though her character in I Spy might be even sexier. I remember being so jealous of Owen Wilson when she was torturing him. If you were to run up a list of top 10 sexiest villains big Fam would be in it twice for those characters. (To be honest though you could fill the top ten with nothing but Famke Janssen villains LOL. She can't help but be sexy, even when they do her up as a monster like the Grand High Witch or the Phoenix. How could anyone not want to be at her mercy?) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 16:40:46 GMT
The recent tweet above is fine; they're calling it for what it is - not great but, in their eyes, good fun. I wish I could watch it in the same way, but I can't. I can almost say the same for the Brosnan-era of 007, my favourite Bond. It's not a particularly smart era of Bond, and adopts some of the worst cliches from the Moore era. But I love it. The only Bronsan film I still really like is Goldeneye. I had a rewatch of them recently and was disappointed in Tomorrow Never Dies which I always thought was good when I was younger. Jonathan Pryce, though a good actor is one of the worst Bond villains. Goldeneye is a hoot meanwhile. Famke Janssen is one of the sexiest villains of all time. I'd be happy for her to kill me, though her character in I Spy might be even sexier. I remember being so jealous of Owen Wilson when she was torturing him. If you were to run up a list of top 10 sexiest villains big Fam would be in it twice for those characters. (To be honest though you could fill the top ten with nothing but Famke Janssen villains LOL. She can't help but be sexy, even when they do her up as a monster like the Grand High Witch or the Phoenix. How could anyone not want to be at her mercy?) The World is not Enough is my favourite of the Brosnan films mainly because of nostalgia and also for Denise Richards. The Brosnan era played it too safe for me and although I don't like Dalton's era either at least they were trying something new. Brosnan's are updated Roger Moore outings with Tomorrow Never Dies being like Spy and Die another Day like Moonraker except the Moore films are superior. Goldeneye is the one I can't stand and believe I have tried. The score is turgid and it's not as hard hitting as people seem to think it is. I prefer some of the Craig films over that one personally. It's cool if people like it though. I love Diamonds are Forever myself. |
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Post by iank on Dec 15, 2021 20:50:33 GMT
I like the Daltons, but the Moore era is Bond to me. The Brosnans did indeed come across as a sort of half-hearted Moore era emulation, though the Craigs are so different I don't even recognise it as the same thing now.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 17, 2021 9:19:14 GMT
The only Bronsan film I still really like is Goldeneye. I had a rewatch of them recently and was disappointed in Tomorrow Never Dies which I always thought was good when I was younger. Jonathan Pryce, though a good actor is one of the worst Bond villains. Goldeneye is a hoot meanwhile. Famke Janssen is one of the sexiest villains of all time. I'd be happy for her to kill me, though her character in I Spy might be even sexier. I remember being so jealous of Owen Wilson when she was torturing him. If you were to run up a list of top 10 sexiest villains big Fam would be in it twice for those characters. (To be honest though you could fill the top ten with nothing but Famke Janssen villains LOL. She can't help but be sexy, even when they do her up as a monster like the Grand High Witch or the Phoenix. How could anyone not want to be at her mercy?) The World is not Enough is my favourite of the Brosnan films mainly because of nostalgia and also for Denise Richards. The Brosnan era played it too safe for me and although I don't like Dalton's era either at least they were trying something new. Brosnan's are updated Roger Moore outings with Tomorrow Never Dies being like Spy and Die another Day like Moonraker except the Moore films are superior. Goldeneye is the one I can't stand and believe I have tried. The score is turgid and it's not as hard hitting as people seem to think it is. I prefer some of the Craig films over that one personally. It's cool if people like it though. I love Diamonds are Forever myself. Personally I think Diamonds are Forever is the worst Bond film of the classic era. (Which for me is Dr No-View To A Kill.) Jill Saint John is one of the worst Bond girls. She's like Peri in Mark of the Rani, IE they are making her deliberately stupid to wind up women's libbers. Charles Grey though a good actor, is awful as Blofeld. He's camp, silly, and doesn't look the part at all. Also Blofeld's scheme is unoriginal, boring and bland, and worst of all there isn't even a mention of Tracy after the great set up in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. There's also no memorable action or stunt scenes like you'd expect from a Bond movie. (Even the way Bond disposes of Blofeld is pretty underwhelming and stupid.) Mr Wint and Mr Kidd meanwhile are the worst hench villains in the classic era (and possibly of all time.) They are a cliche from the Flemyng novels, where Flemyng tended to have his villains be homosexuals and as a result, creepy and perverted. It's not as pronounced in the film, but still it's a dated and uncomfortable portrayal of homosexuals, and the actors are both terrible and descend into parody at certain points. Really there is nothing of value in the film at all for me. Even Sean Connery looks past it, and is going through the motions at that point. Goldeneye meanwhile has big Fam. You got to admit regardless of whatever else the film has going for it, Famke Janssen in Goldeneye is one of the sexiest film villains of all time. Really she's only topped by Famke Janssen in I Spy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
The World is not Enough is my favourite of the Brosnan films mainly because of nostalgia and also for Denise Richards. The Brosnan era played it too safe for me and although I don't like Dalton's era either at least they were trying something new. Brosnan's are updated Roger Moore outings with Tomorrow Never Dies being like Spy and Die another Day like Moonraker except the Moore films are superior. Goldeneye is the one I can't stand and believe I have tried. The score is turgid and it's not as hard hitting as people seem to think it is. I prefer some of the Craig films over that one personally. It's cool if people like it though. I love Diamonds are Forever myself. Personally I think Diamonds are Forever is the worst Bond film of the classic era. (Which for me is Dr No-View To A Kill.) Jill Saint John is one of the worst Bond girls. She's like Peri in Mark of the Rani, IE they are making her deliberately stupid to wind up women's libbers. Charles Grey though a good actor, is awful as Blofeld. He's camp, silly, and doesn't look the part at all. Also Blofeld's scheme is unoriginal, boring and bland, and worst of all there isn't even a mention of Tracy after the great set up in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. There's also no memorable action or stunt scenes like you'd expect from a Bond movie. (Even the way Bond disposes of Blofeld is pretty underwhelming and stupid.) Mr Wint and Mr Kidd meanwhile are the worst hench villains in the classic era (and possibly of all time.) They are a cliche from the Flemyng novels, where Flemyng tended to have his villains be homosexuals and as a result, creepy and perverted. It's not as pronounced in the film, but still it's a dated and uncomfortable portrayal of homosexuals, and the actors are both terrible and descend into parody at certain points. Really there is nothing of value in the film at all for me. Even Sean Connery looks past it, and is going through the motions at that point. Goldeneye meanwhile has big Fam. You got to admit regardless of whatever else the film has going for it, Famke Janssen in Goldeneye is one of the sexiest film villains of all time. Really she's only topped by Famke Janssen in I Spy. "Jill Saint John is one of the worst Bond girls." I disagree. She's one of the sexiest Bond girls ever. She just oozes 70s sex appeal especially in that bikini. Jill is also a great actress and has an independence to her too. The character is sassy and although she's a bit dim-witted at times I still think she's a good Bond girl. So is Plenty O'Toole although that's for a different reason completely lol. Man, the girls were SO hot in this film! "there isn't even a mention of Tracy after the great set up in On Her Majesty's Secret Service." OHMSS didn't feature Connery nor did it do as well at the box office as some of the other Bond films. The producers probably wanted to wipe their hands of it as quickly as possible so they made Diamonds a stand alone adventure without any references to the previous films. It's a shame I admit, but I understand it. "There's also no memorable action or stunt scenes like you'd expect from a Bond movie." The lift fight between Bond and Franks is brutal. I also like the exciting car chase in the streets of Vegas. The assault on the oil rig is pretty cool too if not as good as the fight in OHMSS. "Mr Wint and Mr Kidd meanwhile are the worst hench villains in the classic era (and possibly of all time.)" Again I disagree. They're wonderful villains. They have some of the best lines in the film and they're menacing. Remember they drown an old woman then try and burn Bond alive. "Really there is nothing of value in the film at all for me." I think the music is one of Barry's best scores and I honestly love the campiness of it. It features two of the hottest Bond girls ever, a great setting in Las Vegas and a cool car chase too. It's a shame people don't like it as much, but I just think it's one of the most enjoyable entries in the series. |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 18, 2021 12:47:15 GMT
I enjoy the variety of opinions here. It's so unlike GB in that respect.
There isn't much I can say to that, as it does just come down to opinion (particularly Mr Wint and Mr Kidd.)
I will say though that the action scenes whilst probably okay in their own right, are nothing really special by the standards of Bond movies. Again compared to the Crocodile jump, the sking off the cliff, the rock climbing in For Your Eyes Only, even the fight on the bridge in View To A Kill, there's nothing that stands out.
I will say though to throw Diamonds Are Forever a bone, that the problem it has with its Bond girls is something that continues for a while.
I don't know why but after Diana Rigg they went out of their way to make the Bond girls useless and stupid. Again I think it may have been a response to the women's lib movement. In the early to mid 70s that became a touchy subject for a lot of films and tv shows. Classic Who actually adapted to it quite well with Sarah and Leela.
Bond however it seems went the other way LOL and decided to wind them up. Jayne Seymour in Live and Let Die is one of the most laughably awful Bond girls.
The bit at the end where she goes on about "Oh James you've made me a woman." Whilst Tee Hee is laughing at her makes me laugh too LOL.
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