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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 23:04:20 GMT
I just wish I wasn't banned from Gallifrey Base so I could rub it in the little shits faces. Also are those monsters Critters? I loved those movies. Funny thing is the second movie actually had an alien transexual character, but it was done so much better than Jodie. Mostly because the actress didn't scrunch her face up, and talk in a squeaky voice like "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'm right mad I am." While similar, no. These are the Tolosh of the Garoon, nasty little buggers who attack their prey in water. There the second titular monster from The Ancestral Trail magazine series that ran back in the 90's. I'll do a thread on it tomorrow  |
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Post by zarius on Dec 7, 2021 21:14:08 GMT
You can tell what an unhealthy addiction is right away when Chibs fans are saying "Yeah, I know it sucks, but I love it anyway"
They're making no excuses anymore, no spin, no counter arguments, they understand what the concerns are, they share them, but they don't care. They're willing to steer their ships straight through the iceberg and won't use the lifeboats. The first sign you want to overcome an addiction is admitting you have a problem, not just understanding why people know you have one, these people just want to watch their world burn.
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Post by henshin on Dec 7, 2021 22:54:33 GMT
Stockholm syndrome.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 7, 2021 23:28:53 GMT
You can tell what an unhealthy addiction is right away when Chibs fans are saying "Yeah, I know it sucks, but I love it anyway" They're making no excuses anymore, no spin, no counter arguments, they understand what the concerns are, they share them, but they don't care. They're willing to steer their ships straight through the iceberg and won't use the lifeboats. The first sign you want to overcome an addiction is admitting you have a problem, not just understanding why people know you have one, these people just want to watch their world burn. To be honest I think you might be on to something. Look at say Peter D Nolan. He is the arsehole on Gallifrey Base known as Nullain. I'm not doxxing him to be clear. His GB profile has links to articles he's written, his twitter, plus he runs some cosplay competition or something. Finally he also has himself in his profile picture, so yeah his identity isn't a secret. Now Nolan was exceptionally abusive to me for criticising saint Jodie. He was the one who accused me of being sexually intimidated by Jodie, and also said I was a freak with weird sexual hang ups, called me the worst DW fan who ever lived, a coward, a moron and a piece of shit. I always just assumed he was a white knight, or a shill, but to be honest I think for him DW is a kind of addiction. He constantly posts pictures of himself dressed up as all the different incarnations of the Doctor, runs competitions based around the show for virtually no profit, writes articles for websites, his profile even mentions dragging his wife across the country to visit police boxes! It's not just a show he likes, or even a hobby he sometimes writes about, or a way of making money like it is ironically for gits like Chibbers and Benji Cock. It's genuinely his entire life. I'm not saying "ohhh he's a saddo" for that just to be clear. Plenty of people get consumed by their interests that way, whether it's football or tv shows or whatever. Still just as a lot of sports fans become dicks when it comes to their favourite teams, then guys like him have such an unhealthy attachment to DW, that they are basically in a cult. Nullain will lap up ANYTHING with the Doctor Who logo. He praises every single episode as a 10/10, he collects even the most obscure Big Finish audios like "Jackie Tyler and Dodo Chaplet vs the Slitheen." He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child. He has lost any ability to look at the show in a critical way. It's like some kind of religion for him, and as a result he will become extremely abusive if you criticise it. I think this is what lots of DW fans are like nowadays, which is a damn shame. |
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Post by iank on Dec 7, 2021 23:32:02 GMT
It's become a religion, and religion can never be questioned. Like so much else these days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 23:44:52 GMT
I just don't know how anyone can love this era. I've never seen such an alienating series as I have with Chibnall's era. It feels hostile as well as if we're to blame for everything because we don't like it. I won't judge people for liking it, but no one gives any real reasons to why. At least I properly defend Time and the Rani when I talk about it. Sadly you can't defend something that's 100% trash and that's the case here.
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Post by Monster X on Dec 8, 2021 7:33:34 GMT
"He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child"
I've witnessed this illogical attitude many times before from die-hard NuWhovians - they seem to believe that any Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who. They also subscribe to the notion that if you criticise it too much, then it will inevitably be cancelled. As it should be, if it's crap. I'd rather no Who than shitty, substandard Who, but such misguided fans don't see it that way. That's why they mistakenly refer to the period between 1989 - 2005 as 'The Wilderness Years'- simply because there were no transmitted episodes during that period, (barring the TVM) even though Doctor Who was thriving in many other ways - books, comic strips, audio releases, video releases, magazines, documentaries, conventions, etc.
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Post by zarius on Dec 8, 2021 14:02:08 GMT
"He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child"I've witnessed this illogical attitude many times before from die-hard NuWhovians - they seem to believe that any Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who. They also subscribe to the notion that if you criticise it too much, then it will inevitably be cancelled. As it should be, if it's crap. I'd rather no Who than shitty, substandard Who, but such misguided fans don't see it that way. That's why they mistakenly refer to the period between 1989 - 2005 as 'The Wilderness Years'- simply because there were no transmitted episodes during that period, (barring the TVM) even though Doctor Who was thriving in many other ways - books, comic strips, audio releases, video releases, magazines, documentaries, conventions, etc. I'd say 'wilderness' probably applies more to the nine years Red Dwarf was off the air than it does Doctor Who. Aside from the release of the series on DVD and a few bits of toyetic tat here and there, there wasn't much of a push in new content because of the liplock Doug Naylor had on the franchise as he tried and repeatedly failed to get that damn movie made. No new novels from him or Rob Grant either...or from potentially others who could have penned their own take if they'd licenced it out. |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 8, 2021 16:39:46 GMT
"He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child"I've witnessed this illogical attitude many times before from die-hard NuWhovians - they seem to believe that any Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who. They also subscribe to the notion that if you criticise it too much, then it will inevitably be cancelled. As it should be, if it's crap. I'd rather no Who than shitty, substandard Who, but such misguided fans don't see it that way. That's why they mistakenly refer to the period between 1989 - 2005 as 'The Wilderness Years'- simply because there were no transmitted episodes during that period, (barring the TVM) even though Doctor Who was thriving in many other ways - books, comic strips, audio releases, video releases, magazines, documentaries, conventions, etc. I'd say 'wilderness' probably applies more to the nine years Red Dwarf was off the air than it does Doctor Who. Aside from the release of the series on DVD and a few bits of toyetic tat here and there, there wasn't much of a push in new content because of the liplock Doug Naylor had on the franchise as he tried and repeatedly failed to get that damn movie made. No new novels from him or Rob Grant either...or from potentially others who could have penned their own take if they'd licenced it out. There's something you should know. Last time we spoke I was wearing a cute little number with gold spangles and though it may look the same it is in fact a completely different number with completely different gold spangles! |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 8, 2021 16:59:40 GMT
"He has to have DW be on the air, even if it doesn't remotely resemble the show he actually fell in love with as a child"I've witnessed this illogical attitude many times before from die-hard NuWhovians - they seem to believe that any Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who. They also subscribe to the notion that if you criticise it too much, then it will inevitably be cancelled. As it should be, if it's crap. I'd rather no Who than shitty, substandard Who, but such misguided fans don't see it that way. That's why they mistakenly refer to the period between 1989 - 2005 as 'The Wilderness Years'- simply because there were no transmitted episodes during that period, (barring the TVM) even though Doctor Who was thriving in many other ways - books, comic strips, audio releases, video releases, magazines, documentaries, conventions, etc. It's the mantra of so many classic era fans. They actually can be the worst. I don't mind new who fans like Claudia Boleyn or even our good friend Henshin. They were introduced to the series via New Who, so of course it will be their favourite. Ironically they may also end up having a greater appreciation for the classics as they can go back and watch them as just an old tv show. It's the classic era fanboys and girls who lived through the 90s and the 00s and their insecurity about the show being off the air and their neurosis who are often the worst. Peter D Nolan grew up with Tom Baker! He isn't some smug 20 something millenial. As I have mentioned MANY times before, the reason guys like Nolan have become cult members is because of the awful treatment DW got from the media and the cowardly comedians who go with everything the media says in the 90s and 00s. In all fairness to DW fandom, NO series got as bad treatment. Sure other shows like Star Trek might get jokes about them, but you'd never see the guy who killed Star Trek, (in a really dirty, underhanded, nasty way) appear on tv and present a totally one sided argument to try and make it a laughing stock. It was horrible, punching down bullying what DW went through from comedians. Sadly however the fans let that get to them too much. As you say the great irony is that during that time, DW was actually thriving in other areas. Books, audios, comics, videos and dvds. It was still a character the majority of people knew and even had fond memories of. It was still popular enough to sell merchandise. It made millions of new fans including yours truly. (Born in 1991 remember, grew up with classic era on video releases in the 90s.) It also was respected within the industry by people whose opinions actually mattered like Peter Jackson, Matt Groening etc. Zarius is also right that it's not comparable to Red Dwarf's hiatus, or say a brand like Dan Dare, which as much I like it is basically dead as a mainstream brand. DW in the 90s-00s was actually comparable to Batman in the late 90s-mid 00s. IE in both cases their last mainstream film, tv series had been a flop, but they were still iconic characters, both still marketable through toys and such, and both were still getting new stories told about them in other more niche mediums, such as Big Finish and the DCAU. However because of the vicious treatment DW got, which Batman admittedly didn't, then DW fans lost their confidence, became determined for it to be a hit again above all else, and came to worship the Fitzroy tossers as heroes when they made it successful. Of course the Fitzroy crowd wanted "followers" as Paul Cornell put it, so they egged on this creepy cult like behaviour, as did their shills like Benji Cock. Throw in identity politics, where the fandom incrowd could now abuse you any way they wanted by making out you're a sexist, deplorable, and well the result is the fandom becoming the hideous cult it is now, writers who don't even have to attempt to write a proper story, as their shills will give it a 10/10 regardless, and fans like Peter D Nolan becoming vicious caricatures of a cliche of a toxic fan, making horrible, personal remarks about people, or wishing death on them if they dare to question the sacred teachings of RTD. It's sad, but proof of why you should never let bullies change who you are. If we'd just had the balls to tell the panel show twonks and the media whores to go fokk themselves, and actually you know stand up for the show we love, then the show could have returned as itself. Now it's a far bigger struggle to try and get real DW on the tv than ever before. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 1:15:17 GMT
It’s not like I don’t understand that point of view.
I mean I’ve taken to watching Ultraman, which as my wife will tell anyone, is just people in silly suits. But I grew up with old Godzilla movies and Power Rangers so I can lose myself in that kind of media even knowing it’s flaws.
But liking what you like, and continuing to support a show that long since devolved into something unrecognisable I are two very different things. It’s why I completely dropped out of the Alien and Predator fandom, why I barely if ever read any comic books of any kind. I’m not against things changing or even having dips in quality, but when a show is hell bent on becoming something totally at odds with what it used to be, why the fokk would I keep supporting it?
How can anyone who has watched this show since 2005, let alone the classic, stand to watch what it’s become? How can you like a show that’s so twisted that it feels like it’s punishing you for being a doctor who fan? That seems to take sadistic glee in being as opposite and toxic to everything that came before? Because I have to ask, as I do with people who make up all their twisted head cannon and treat it as fact, why the hell are you even a DW fan? If you support or somehow like this utter bastardisation of a show you claim to love and say nothing in rebuttal, then you have accepted a contradiction of, as iank put it, cult level delusion.
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Post by iank on Dec 9, 2021 4:27:24 GMT
But liking what you like, and continuing to support a show that long since devolution into something unrecognisable I are two very different things. It’s why I completely dropped out of the Alien and Predator fandom, why I barely if ever read any comic books of any kind. I’m not against things changing or even having dips in quality, but when a show is hell bent on becoming something totally at odds with what it used to be, why the fokk would I keep supporting it? This is something that has always baffled me. I've walked away from several shows (The Bill, Neighbours (twice), Who and more) because they changed to such an extent that they not only threw out everything that appealed to me, but actually actively crapped on stuff that mattered to me. That's the point where I'm out. |
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Post by henshin on Dec 9, 2021 4:53:16 GMT
Just give us McGann: the animated series.
Develop all of the scripts from the BBC novels from the 1990s and 2000s, along with some cherry picking of the audios.
He's only improved with age, and he sounds the same as he did nearly 25 years ago.
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Post by mistressrani on Dec 9, 2021 18:43:39 GMT
I'm predicting this; the fourteenth Doctor will be the final Doctor. The show will die and take a near twenty year hiatus. Whether or not RTD improves it is irrelevant. Not even the McCoy/Cartmel partnership could turn things around in the late 80s (and, to this day, that is among one of the most beloved eras of the show). The next Doctor is the last Doctor. I put money on it. People on here have been saying this since series 2. And they've been wrong every time. It's quite endearing. |
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Post by iank on Dec 9, 2021 21:07:28 GMT
Whilever they still think there's money in the cash cow, they'll keep squeezing. Question is whether there is or not (there wasn't in the Chinballs era, which is why he was sacked). But Bad Wolf etc are spending a lot of money on a possibly poisoned franchise...
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