US Presidential Election 2024

[Bernard Marx]

Oct 26, 2024 19:16:00 GMT Bernard Marx said:

However, Harris’ pathetic policy platform only amplifies Trump’s appeal to the disaffected (leaving anti-Trump sentiment aside, I can’t think of a single reason to vote for the Democrats contrary to against Trump), and unlike the 2020 election, the 2024 election is not a de facto Referendum on Trump’s handling of COVID. As such, although it’ll undeniably be a close race, I can see a Trump victory taking place.

Looks like I got this right, although overestimated the closeness of the race. Christ…

[iank]

Wasn't close at all lol Guess this one wasn't "fortified" enough.
Thank God, though they'll no doubt try to kill him again - 2 attempts and counting already - and do everything they can to block half what he tries to do like last time...

[burrunjor]

Well it's official four more years of The Donald. 

I didn't care who won in this election. Both candidates were vile, and both will/would have ultimately been establishment shills backing a genocide in Palestine. Anyone who thinks either candidate would have changed anything is a mug quite frankly. America needs a huge change in its overall system. All the fuss about candidates, one way or another is just a useful distraction. 

Still that said whilst I absolutely have 0 support for Trump, I can't deny it is hilarious watching the media and all these awful celebs go crazy today. They have all been even more insufferable this time round. Even celebs I like, such as Charisma Carpenter, Lucy Lawless, Mark Hamill (obviously), have all been absolutely awful in terms of their smug sense of superiority and nastiness. Watching them and the media melt down over the next few months is literally the only good thing to come out of this election.

Of course when that dies down and we get Trump in 2025, yeah I won't be laughing anymore. Even more so now that Tulsi is in office. Oh Tulsi, once one of my biggest pin ups. Seeing her become a sell out in Trump's government and back Israel will be heartbreaking. Still for now at least let's drink to the fact that these condescending millionaire celebs are having a worse time than us.  

[rushy]

I don't really care about Donald winning, I'm just really annoyed Ian was right. XD

[burrunjor]

I have to say British people are pissing me off today going on about how stupid Americans are.

I agree the yanks should break free from their 2 party system completely, but the fact that more Americans voted for Jill Stein than Kamala in certain areas, shows that they are breaking free from their two party system to a greater extent than we are at least.



Meanwhile Trump winning over Kamala out of the big two, means NOTHING as they are both backing a genocide and at least Trump is a change, so there may a chance (regardless of how remote) he'd do things differently. 

Britain on the other hand? Not only are we still trapped in the conservatives and new labour mold, but we actually DID have a candidate in Jeremy Corbyn who could have changed things. He was a once in a life time candidate who actually stuck to his promises, cared about people, wasn't easily bought off and we voted for an incompetent, corrupt, racist, war mongering, flip flopping scumbag in record numbers. 

[Bernard Marx]

Nov 6, 2024 15:56:42 GMT burrunjor said:

Britain on the other hand? Not only are we still trapped in the conservatives and new labour mold, but we actually DID have a candidate in Jeremy Corbyn who could have changed things. He was a once in a life time candidate who actually stuck to his promises, cared about people, wasn't easily bought off and we voted for an incompetent, corrupt, racist, war mongering, flip flopping scumbag in record numbers. 

Yes. While I have no time for the twat, I *have* noticed that many of those going apoplectic at Trump’s victory today never expressed such ire when Boris Johnson was elected, a scenario which rendered the UK establishment completely safe once again and ensured that no genuine alternative was offered ever again. Is the difference that Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t enough of a “girlboss”…?

As crap as this outcome is, it wasn’t massively surprising, and the Democrats brought it on themselves. They offered no materially beneficial economic policies for working-class Americans during their four years in office (backed up by the Exit Polls, with the economy taking far bigger priority than immigration) and kept spending money on arming rogue states instead.

They had the opportunity to propose a transformative programme which could have alleviated the populist right’s reach, but instead did no such thing and complacently assumed victory anyway. A vacuum leaves the door open for right-wing demagogues, and as long as this vacuum is ignored, they’ll keep thriving. But the widespread response to this result- thus far bereft of any serious analysis- suggests that no such lessons will be learnt.

[burrunjor]

Nov 6, 2024 17:55:16 GMT Bernard Marx said:

Nov 6, 2024 15:56:42 GMT burrunjor said:

Britain on the other hand? Not only are we still trapped in the conservatives and new labour mold, but we actually DID have a candidate in Jeremy Corbyn who could have changed things. He was a once in a life time candidate who actually stuck to his promises, cared about people, wasn't easily bought off and we voted for an incompetent, corrupt, racist, war mongering, flip flopping scumbag in record numbers. 

Yes. While I have no time for the twat, I *have* noticed that many of those going apoplectic at Trump’s victory today never expressed such ire when Boris Johnson was elected, a scenario which rendered the UK establishment completely safe once again and ensured that no genuine alternative was offered ever again. Is the difference that Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t enough of a “girlboss”…?

As crap as this outcome is, it wasn’t massively surprising, and the Democrats brought it on themselves. They offered no materially beneficial economic policies for working-class Americans during their four years in office (backed up by the Exit Polls, with the economy taking far bigger priority than immigration) and kept spending money on arming rogue states instead.

They had the opportunity to propose a transformative programme which could have alleviated the populist right’s reach, but instead did no such thing and complacently assumed victory anyway. A vacuum leaves the door open for right-wing demagogues, and as long as this vacuum is ignored, they’ll keep thriving. But the widespread response to this result- thus far bereft of any serious analysis- suggests that no such lessons will be learnt.

To me this election is comparable to Brown vs Cameron in 2010 in terms of who cares really. We have a sell out party that claims to be for the people, but has become completely elitist and hollow, and presided over a despicable atrocity (Gaza/Iraq) with a candidate who wasn't even elected and is laughably incompetent and corrupt, vs a party we all know are the badguys, though they have some liberal sell outs like Nick Clegg and my former beloved Tulsi to give them some legitimacy among people, and a flamboyant right wing arsehole who is openly a twat, but people seem to find his twattish persona charming for some reason, leading them. Both were sad indictments of how f*cked the country is, but how can you muster enough energy to be devastated whichever prick wins? 

Corbyn meanwhile like I said was a once in a life time candidate. That was someone who really could have helped everyone from white middle aged working class guys to non binary uni students, and had his time as Prime Minister gone ahead it could have led to other, proper, populist left wing movements around the world. Him being crushed sent the absolute worst message of all time to the masses and to be honest I'm still devastated at it. I do remember the absolute despair of that morning. 

Today is nothing in comparison, other than the hilarity of watching stupid drama queens declare Trump will round up and exterminate every trans person, just like he did every Muslim person before? PS I actually find calling Trump the worst President offensive and ironically a sign of white privilege and white supremacy. You'd think that George W Bush would be the worst in recent memory since he you know killed 1 million people in Iraq? I mean he has to win by default, but no again all these WHITE celebs I follow, all think that wasn't as serious as Trump's stupid little domestic policies? Sorry but it does reek of "Oh Iraq is a far away brown people place, so even if a million die there, it's not as bad as us being made to look bad by a buffoon in charge."
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[burrunjor]

Just saw Lucy Lawless deleted her twitter account because she doesn't want to get involved in any more political fights. I applaud her for that. You know I've always been a fan LOL, but I admit that I was starting to worry we'd have a Mark Hamill situation here where she'd start making a fool of herself and taint Xena. I mean to be fair her opinions were NEVER a tenth as stupid or as nasty as Hamill's. (She didn't tell kids to f*ck off, slut shame women for sexy poses or make jokes after Trump was shot like he did.) On the contrary she seemed to have her head screwed on quite well about things like Palestine, Ukraine etc. She even hated the Dems too.

However she definitely was going a bit too down the the Trump derangement syndrome route the last few months. I mean again it's not like I have any love for him, but you don't want to get into the making out his fans are all racists, xenophobes, homophobes etc, because that is not only ignorant, but divisive and is in danger of soiling your legacy. I was so worried she'd be one they'd trot out on everything from Jimmy Dore to Nerdrotic as a virtue signalling celeb the way Hamill is. Thankfully however she seems to have realised it is a pointless endeavor and is now just on insta. Thank god!

PS I also do wish Gina Carano would pull back from supporting Trump. She hasn't been anywhere near as bad as Hamill either, and again has her screwed on tight for most things like Israel and Assange. Also yes I still think it was disgusting hypocrisy the way the other actors virtue signal at Disney, yet she wasn't allowed to post minor things online. Either it's all okay or NONE of it is. If I ran a show I'd tell both my leftie and conservative actors to tone it down a bit, though I wouldn't fire either. Pedro Pascal's post directly calling Trumpers Nazis was 100 times worse than hers in terms of being provocative and undermining the horrors of the holocaust, yet despite Pedro being a mediocre actor at best, who has 0 to offer that 100000s of other guys can't, he gets every leading role, whilst she, a uniquely talented action star is blacklisted? It's obvious double standards. Also I'm obviously on her side against the rape enabler, Daniel M Petrocelli. Still I do wish celebs on ALL sides would just stick out of politics.

Look at other favourites of mine like Peter Cushing, Katey Sagal, Famke Janssen, Tim Curry etc. Their legacies are unspoiled because they never dabbled in politics. It's perfectly safe to like any of them. For all I know Peter Cushing was a raging homophobe or a revolutionary Marxist LOL. However all we'll ever know is his work. 

At the end of the day I'm not saying I'd ever ban a celeb for their politics. (For instance I still love the Rocky movies and Cliff Hanger despite Syl Stallone's politics being awful. Same with Arnie himself.) Still it's an unnecessary hurdle you're giving yourself, and I much prefer it when they pull back like Lucy has done, or just don't bother like Peter Cushing (PS if I ever made it as a writer, I'd stop commenting on politics in an instant.)

I might add it's not even like celebs do anything positive for the causes they champion. On the contrary I think that they often undermine political causes, as people assume it's just for their careers.

[burrunjor]

Speaking of cringe inducing moments of celebs getting involved in politics this is surely the worst? 

From 2016. This was written by Joss Whedon, a year before he was exposed as an absolute jackass. (It's hilarious that he had to keep quiet during this election. The same morons he pandered to with this shit, took away from him the ability to be a virtue signalling prick. He should be grateful I suppose, but he must have been fuming! So many moments when he would have wanted to virtue signal about the Orange man knowing he couldn't haha.)

Anyway dear god is this lame. PS how dreadful an actor is Robert Downey JR?

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I'm painfully out of touch with politics. Who won it, James Garfield?

[Ludders II]

My step-daughter's friends are being passively harassed by their emboldened Trumpite neighbours, because they are a lesbian couple with two kids.
Day after the election they put up a sign at the edge of the garden fence facing directly towards them saying 'Pride Goeth Before Destruction'.
What a lovely "Christian" attitude. Meanwhile, folk like this get Trump to autograph their bibles.... Bigotry with a religious twist. It's not quite 'Only in America' anymore, but they still have their own special brand of f*ckwittery.

[Genkimonk]

I've always said the nature of the yank is that of a being of pure hatred, ignorance, violence, greed, and jingoism. The fact that they just re-elected a serial rapist, convicted felon, and proven fraud just so this.

[RobFilth]

I knew Trump would win as soon as that utterly detestable sore loser snake Jonathan Ashworth declared he was going to American to offer the Dems his electoral strategy advise.

That was automatically the kiss of death to anyones campaign.

That guy could turn gold into shit with his negative mindas touch.

[Bernard Marx]

I’m honestly neither surprised by this outcome, nor do I have any sympathy for the Democrats at all.

When you spend four years spending more money on proxy wars and genocidal regimes- using Ukrainians and Russians as cannon fodder and thousands of Palestinian kids as target practise for Israel- at the expense of funding education, healthcare and housing (on which people rely as their lifelines), people are going to look elsewhere. Especially when the Democrats actively avoided discussing any of these issues in their campaign, instead wheeling out despised Bush-era War Hawks Liz and Dick Cheney and amplifying identity-politics related rhetoric to the extreme. Michelle Obama’s pre-election speech- in which she merely characterised two-party disillusionment as “your rage” (ostensibly characterising right *and* left dissent as animalistic or vengeful, and only performed by male voters)- was a prime example of such clueless condescension.

The Exit Polls demonstrate that the economy took far greater precedence in people’s voting decisions than immigration (33% to 11%). The US electorate aren’t, as such, swayed by Trump’s arch-reactionary social platform, but are desperate for at least something to change. Simply engaging in coercive politics and shaming people for voting for any alternative (not least Jill Stein’s Green Party, as was repeatedly the case) without offering a compelling programme of your own does not provide a model by which to improve people’s lives.

If you only offer neoliberalism, “positive vibes” and vacuous platitudes at the expense of offering the working-class a materially beneficial programme, you give Trump a gaping social vacuum by which he can thrive and falsely claim to offer alternatives. To combat Trump’s ilk- and the intellectual and moral vacuum he represents- the opposition needs to explicitly oppose establishment corruption, address working-class difficulties and offer a wide-reaching community-based alternative. You can’t combat insurgent right-wing populism with establishment condescension. The latter only fuels the former.

[burrunjor]

I can't wait for Trump's first day. Last time we saw the most pathetic display of old has beens, career minded activists, and arseholes throw the biggest, most infantile, spiteful tantrums around the world. The worst was the woman's march where we had among our guests, Linda Sarsour who wanted to publicly remove a victim of female genital mutilation's vagina Ayan Hirsi Ali, and a woman who took part in the abduction and torture of a gay man pontificating about decency as well as pampered brats like Scarlett Johanson moaning about how she only got more money than the rest of us will ever see for starring in a shitty superhero movie, but it was still marginally less than Robert Downey JR. (PS Peter Capaldi also took part in it, showing that he had lost his testicles in real life not just on DW.) 

The absolute worst was this though. This "poem" read by Ashley Judd. I think this is the single worst acting performance I've ever seen. She reads it like some psychotic white supremacist southern hick "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN, THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!" 

The poem itself though is f*cking hysterical. Written by a spoiled brat who far from being held back because she was a woman, had a Hollywood actress read her dribble because she's an upper middle class brat. Also someone should tell her and Ashley Judd that mentioning Hillary Clinton in the same sentence as Rosa Parks is f*cking obscene. Know what that vile female monster was doing at the time Rosa was fighting for civil rights? Supporting Barry Goldwater, a white supremacist, anti communist who Martin Luther King said of "if he wins it will be a tragedy for all of humanity."




How anyone involved in that can show their faces afterwards is quite incredible. PS Michael Moore is also a racist, worthless, sack of shit too. Former school bully, flip flopping shill for the elites when it suits him.