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Post by rushy on Jul 27, 2024 16:27:33 GMT
Now that we know we're getting a three-part miniseries in 2025, what do you guys think the story could be? What would you like it to be?
And what are your thoughts on Rob Grant's attempts to get a prequel off the ground?
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Post by mott1 on Jul 27, 2024 16:35:05 GMT
I've found it hard to connect to the recent episodes, tho I find them a bit funnier than much of s7/s8, when Grant (and Rimmer) originally left. I don't think Naylor has the same skill with a one-liner! I think the prequel might be more successful than the mini-series, tbh.
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Post by burrunjor on Jul 27, 2024 18:22:07 GMT
Is the prequel still going ahead? In all honesty I'm interested in seeing how they will get the prequel made but I can't for the life of me imagine them ever being able to recast the regulars. Red Dwarf is such a unique, lightening in a bottle type of a thing largely because the actors had such distinct personalities.
Yes obviously the writers came up with good stories, but so many of the aspects of their persona's came from the actors, like Chris Barrie's interest in diesel engines inspiring Rimmers love of telegraph poles LOL. Lister meanwhile was almost as much Craig Charles creation. In the original script he was a sensitive, poetic guy who was slightly mad, but it was Craig who made him into the blokish romantic slob and working class hero, and obviously and he and Barries personalities clashed off stage, though they later became friends which again helped shape the complex relationship they have.
It's not like Doctor Who or Batman where the character as it is written is such a unique concept or has so much in it that you can accept others in the role. To me Red Dwarf, again it's the result of a weird, eclectic collection of people coming together.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 27, 2024 18:49:53 GMT
Now that we know we're getting a three-part miniseries in 2025, what do you guys think the story could be? What would you like it to be? More of the same really. I wouldn't mind a Kochanski cameo, though. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 27, 2024 18:53:34 GMT
The Dave era doesn't feel inferior to the original run. It's newer, the actors are slightly older, but it still feels like the same show. The fact that it has to end one day is one of the best TV tragedies. Still, what we have can be watched again and again without fear of boredom.
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Post by mott1 on Jul 27, 2024 18:56:27 GMT
Is the prequel still going ahead? In all honesty I'm interested in seeing how they will get the prequel made but I can't for the life of me imagine them ever being able to recast the regulars. Red Dwarf is such a unique, lightening in a bottle type of a thing largely because the actors had such distinct personalities. Yes obviously the writers came up with good stories, but so many of the aspects of their persona's came from the actors, like Chris Barrie's interest in diesel engines inspiring Rimmers love of telegraph poles LOL. Lister meanwhile was almost as much Craig Charles creation. In the original script he was a sensitive, poetic guy who was slightly mad, but it was Craig who made him into the blokish romantic slob and working class hero, and obviously and he and Barries personalities clashed off stage, though they later became friends which again helped shape the complex relationship they have. It's not like Doctor Who or Batman where the character as it is written is such a unique concept or has so much in it that you can accept others in the role. To me Red Dwarf, again it's the result of a weird, eclectic collection of people coming together. You can definitely tell from the icy rapport on-screen that Chris and Craig were not bosom buddies in the early seasons. In an odd way it was an important part of their relationship. I regret that Barrie didn’t have even more success after Red Dwarfs heyday and Brittas Empire. I know he was in the Tomb Raider films but that Prince Among Men sitcom flop seemed to stall his career somewhat. However I liked Llewelyn in Scrapyard Challenge and John-Jules remains the standout in Death In Paradise. |
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Post by rushy on Jul 27, 2024 19:18:53 GMT
You can definitely tell from the icy rapport on-screen that Chris and Craig were not bosom buddies in the early seasons. In an odd way it was an important part of their relationship. They got along decently in the first few. It was the middle seasons where they fell out, which is why those bunk room sequences were scrapped until series 8. Anyway, I think the prequel would be based on those early chapters of the original novel. I don't really want them to make it, but I can imagine it working. The characters have been so well-defined now, especially Rimmer. The books flesh them out even further, although Lister is somewhat different in them (more intelligent, thoughtful and caring) |
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Post by iank on Jul 27, 2024 23:48:32 GMT
I struggle to rewatch the Dave ones, tbh, and aside from one or two okayish ones I do concur with the consensus that it was never really the same after series 6. I'll no doubt watch the new ones, though.
As for the prequel, feels awfully like beating a dead horse and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I do find it a bit of a cheek for Grant to want to come back and start doing his own thing with it nearly 30 years after f*****g off too.
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Post by rushy on Jul 28, 2024 0:03:37 GMT
I honestly don't know why everyone defaults to series 6 as the last good one. I mean, yeah, it was still Grant Naylor, but it's worse than almost any other season, 7-12 included. The endless reuse of the same recurring gags (Cat making a wardrobe simile, Kryten quipping about his head shape, Rimmer doing a Space Corps Directive, Lister going on about his curry) represents the show at its creative nadir. Legion is the only great episode it has to offer. Only series 8 is worse than 6. I do find it a bit of a cheek for Grant to want to come back and start doing his own thing with it nearly 30 years after f*****g off too. And that's before we mention his attempted ousting of Doug from the company, or the script he wrote that decanonises series 7-12. He's a petty man. |
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Post by iank on Jul 28, 2024 0:29:03 GMT
6 is a comedown from 5, but still better than anything since. Emohawk is the worst in that season but the rest are pretty solid.
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Post by mott1 on Jul 28, 2024 7:15:42 GMT
6 is a comedown from 5, but still better than anything since. Emohawk is the worst in that season but the rest are pretty solid. I agree that some of the similes and plots were being recycled in s6, which is perhaps a sign they were running out of ideas even then. I do like the JFK one from s7, but the full-time Kochanski didn’t work at all and without Grant there wasn’t someone to ground the show from being too strange or silly. Even now it’s still better than dreck like Ghosts tho (which like Nu Who the BBC is embarrassingly proud of!) |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 28, 2024 9:50:07 GMT
I honestly don't know why everyone defaults to series 6 as the last good one. I mean, yeah, it was still Grant Naylor, but it's worse than almost any other season, 7-12 included. The endless reuse of the same recurring gags (Cat making a wardrobe simile, Kryten quipping about his head shape, Rimmer doing a Space Corps Directive, Lister going on about his curry) represents the show at its creative nadir. Legion is the only great episode it has to offer. Only series 8 is worse than 6. I do find it a bit of a cheek for Grant to want to come back and start doing his own thing with it nearly 30 years after f*****g off too. And that's before we mention his attempted ousting of Doug from the company, or the script he wrote that decanonises series 7-12. He's a petty man. Series 6 is second only to Series 3 in my list. Even if it does have a monster of the week vibe, it still has some of the best episodes in the entire show. Legion is a massive favourite though I do rate Psirens and Rimmerworld quite highly too. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jul 28, 2024 11:41:58 GMT
WHAT season 6 six is the best season of the show. The worst season by far is season 8. That's the Capaldi era of Red Dwarf in that it's just where the entire thing gets ripped apart. It's not even a proper season of Red Dwarf.
The Dave seasons meanwhile are great fun. Some of the ideas are a bit unoriginal like the Polymorph one. I was really annoyed she wasn't a cat lady. I've always wanted to see that episode where the Cat got off with the badass Cat babe adapted. They should adapt it with Ingrid Oliver as the Cat girl she is a friend of Danny John Jules.
Still season 6 is to me Red Dwarf at its best in terms of balancing sci fi and humour. It's top tier stuff.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jul 28, 2024 12:15:30 GMT
WHAT season 6 six is the best season of the show. The worst season by far is season 8. That's the Capaldi era of Red Dwarf in that it's just where the entire thing gets ripped apart. It's not even a proper season of Red Dwarf. The Dave seasons meanwhile are great fun. Some of the ideas are a bit unoriginal like the Polymorph one. I was really annoyed she wasn't a cat lady. I've always wanted to see that episode where the Cat got off with the badass Cat babe adapted. They should adapt it with Ingrid Oliver as the Cat girl she is a friend of Danny John Jules. Still season 6 is to me Red Dwarf at its best in terms of balancing sci fi and humour. It's top tier stuff. I watch 6 more than the others. Emohawk seems to get a bashing these days, but I love it. |
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Post by rushy on Jul 28, 2024 14:57:49 GMT
WHAT season 6 six is the best season of the show. Even if I didn't hate all the repetitive jokes and characterisation going down the toilet, I am fundamentally a series 1-2 purist lol. I LOVED that original "we are just floating in space and have nothing to do forever" vibe. Rimmer was also so much better in his JMC uniform, like a bossy prefect. At least we can all agree 8 was a big mistake lmao (although Chloe Annett is so much cuter with her blonde hair) |
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