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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 17, 2024 15:38:03 GMT
It’d be an unlikely tragedy if Labour took Islington from Corbyn. Mandelson’s already lobbying for it, having declared his intention to oust Corbyn there. Official polling suggests that he’ll decisively keep it, although other local sources are apparently implying otherwise. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 19, 2024 17:01:21 GMT
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 20, 2024 2:30:12 GMT
Nobody cares much about the Greens do they..... |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 20, 2024 6:28:45 GMT
Nobody cares much about the Greens do they..... You never know- this could be bollocks. I think this is overstating Labour’s majority, for a start, as is every other poll. No one of any political persuasion likes Starmer. I think the Greens could easily gain two instead of one. Waveney Valley and Bristol Central are certainly up for grabs- if they took the latter, Labour would win the election without a Culture Secretary. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 20, 2024 13:07:00 GMT
SNP for me. So glad I live in Scotland. Sadly I think Galloway may lose his seat. He's not perfect, but honestly a politician like him is needed in the current climate.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 20, 2024 13:10:13 GMT
SNP for me. So glad I live in Scotland. Sadly I think Galloway may lose his seat. He's not perfect, but honestly a politician like him is needed in the current climate. Most of the polls suggest he’ll hold Rochdale (either at 39% or 33%), barring one Politics UK poll which bafflingly puts him at 1% (and Labour at 63%, despite being hated there). I also hope he holds it, and I hope the WP gain Birmingham Yardley from Jess Philips too. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 20, 2024 13:17:24 GMT
SNP for me. So glad I live in Scotland. Sadly I think Galloway may lose his seat. He's not perfect, but honestly a politician like him is needed in the current climate. Most of the polls suggest he’ll hold Rochdale (either at 39% or 33%), barring one Politics UK poll which bafflingly puts him at 1% (and Labour at 63%, despite being hated there). I also hope he holds it, and I hope the WP gain Birmingham Yardley from Jess Philips too. Can't stand Jess Philips. Backstabbing, two faced, new Labour shill. It says a lot about what an absolute arsehead Sargon of Akkad was that when taking her on he still lost because he couldn't think of anything genuine to attack her for, so he launched into psychotic misogynistic shit. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 20, 2024 13:25:18 GMT
Most of the polls suggest he’ll hold Rochdale (either at 39% or 33%), barring one Politics UK poll which bafflingly puts him at 1% (and Labour at 63%, despite being hated there). I also hope he holds it, and I hope the WP gain Birmingham Yardley from Jess Philips too. Can't stand Jess Philips. Backstabbing, two faced, new Labour shill. It says a lot about what an absolute arsehead Sargon of Akkad was that when taking her on he still lost because he couldn't think of anything genuine to attack her for, so he launched into psychotic misogynistic shit. Labour’s website are listing her seat as vulnerable, likely to the Workers Party. Jody Macintyre seems fairly popular there, and there’s a lot of outrage over her being a patron of Labour Friends of Israel (since covered up by LFI’s own website at the start of the campaign). Unlike Reform, the WP have no big donors and are being obstructed from the TV debates, which puts them at a disadvantage. One can but hope. And like you say, whatever Galloway’s faults, he and the WP are the only party who are actively opposing the war fever of the establishment parties and they’re easily the most economically radical too. I’m bracing myself for a bitterly disappointing night though. Starmer getting the biggest victory ever seen sounds about right, given the pissant state of UK politics. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 20, 2024 13:26:43 GMT
Can't stand Jess Philips. Backstabbing, two faced, new Labour shill. It says a lot about what an absolute arsehead Sargon of Akkad was that when taking her on he still lost because he couldn't think of anything genuine to attack her for, so he launched into psychotic misogynistic shit. Labour’s website are listing her seat as vulnerable, likely to the Workers Party. Jody Macintyre seems fairly popular there, and there’s a lot of outrage over her being a patron of Labour Friends of Israel (since covered up by LFI’s own website at the start of the campaign). Unlike Reform, the WP have no big donors, which puts them at a disadvantage. One can but hope. And like you say, whatever Galloway’s faults, he and the WP are the only party who are actively opposing the war fever of the establishment parties and they’re easily the most economically radical too. I’m bracing myself for a bitterly disappointing night though. Starmer getting the biggest victory ever seen sounds about right, given the pissant state of UK politics. Nothing will top 2019. I was seriously depressed for months after that. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 20, 2024 13:31:36 GMT
Labour’s website are listing her seat as vulnerable, likely to the Workers Party. Jody Macintyre seems fairly popular there, and there’s a lot of outrage over her being a patron of Labour Friends of Israel (since covered up by LFI’s own website at the start of the campaign). Unlike Reform, the WP have no big donors, which puts them at a disadvantage. One can but hope. And like you say, whatever Galloway’s faults, he and the WP are the only party who are actively opposing the war fever of the establishment parties and they’re easily the most economically radical too. I’m bracing myself for a bitterly disappointing night though. Starmer getting the biggest victory ever seen sounds about right, given the pissant state of UK politics. Nothing will top 2019. I was seriously depressed for months after that. Tell me about it. I felt just as bad. The only reason I look back on that election with amusement is because every prediction made by the pundits and senior MPs on the BBC coverage (“Boris Johnson in for 10 years”, “A Tory golden age”, “The Brexit sunlit uplands”) turned out to be utter bollocks within a matter of months. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 20, 2024 14:01:21 GMT
Nothing will top 2019. I was seriously depressed for months after that. Tell me about it. I felt just as bad. The only reason I look back on that election with amusement is because every prediction made by the pundits and senior MPs on the BBC coverage (“Boris Johnson in for 10 years”, “A Tory golden age”, “The Brexit sunlit uplands”) turned out to be utter bollocks within a matter of months. I do love going back to that insufferable Paul Joseph Watson video he made on it gloating over Corbyn. In fact for a while during Bo Jo's downfall I'd even leave a smug comment on it LOL. That said however even then it didn't get through, with some of them saying "It would have been worse if Corbyn were in charge." |
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 20, 2024 14:37:53 GMT
Ironically, they'll still say the same thing if Starmer wins.
"At least it's not Corbyn!" 🙄
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 20, 2024 15:00:33 GMT
It's amusing that Corbyn is widely viewed as either a hate figure or a messianic figure by the nominal right and left of UK politics, despite the fact that I don't reckon he warrants either response. Least of all the media confected/tabloid caricature of him as a "Marxist antisemite"- both labels are utter bollocks which crumble upon the closest inspection- but also his stature as a left saviour.
I definitely had more admiration for him three to four years ago. I can't outright dislike him, but I find myself irritated and disappointed with every passing day over his inability to combat the Labour Party apparatus as leader- even giving the worst people olive branches and dismissing those expelled from Labour under false grounds, as documented in The Labour Files- or even to fight back at all. Such diffidence only gave the smears in question more credence. I'm also becoming increasingly disillusioned with most of the "left" groups which backed him- whether that be Novara Media, Mick Lynch, the Unions, et al- for either cheering on similar expulsions or for calling for an emphatic vote for Starmer now.
None of these groups- and this applies to Corbyn too, who was pushed away from Labour and will probably retire from politics before time- are willing to break away from Labour outright and look for a genuine working-class alternative to build. Despite the fact that the major lesson to be learnt from the Corbyn era- at least to me- is that the Labour Party can't be changed from within anymore, if it ever could at all.
We're on the verge of a Starmer government which, based on the leader's treatment of his own members and celebration of Thatcher, will be unflinchingly authoritarian in its attacks on the working-class- not to mention the possibility of a Third World War on the horizon- and all the nominal "left" seem capable of doing is obsessing over liberal tinkerings or infighting over identity-politics and/or culture, with little clear genuine political perspective or connection with the working-class. Try as I might, it's hard not to despair at the state of things.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 21, 2024 12:39:19 GMT
Right, I think I've made my choice.
If I were voting purely in terms of which party I agreed most with on accumulated policy, the Workers Party of Britain would have my vote. If they stood a chance in a seat devoid of the WPB, I'd vote for the Green Party.
However, given that the former aren't standing in my constituency, and given that the latter have no chance of ousting my ghastly MP (who's been f uck all help to my parents and my youngest and highly autistic brother- doing nothing to help us grant him a secondary school place- and having lazily not spoken in Parliament for over a year), I'll almost certainly hold my nose and vote Liberal Democrat to oust the prick. At least I'm not voting for Starmer!
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