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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 12:49:17 GMT
  LOL someone posted these together on twitter. It's quite funny how pigeons really do learn faster than DW writers and actors, or their publicists. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 13:00:00 GMT
LOL someone posted these together on twitter. It's quite funny how pigeons really do learn faster than DW writers and actors, or their publicists. But hadn't Whittaker only seen a couple of Tennant episodes before she said that? It's a very sweeping statement to make. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 13:01:31 GMT
I mean, how is something like Ghost Light a celebration of the white male gaze when a female evolves and takes over the place of a powerful man?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 13:13:40 GMT
I mean, how is something like Ghost Light a celebration of the white male gaze when a female evolves and takes over the place of a powerful man? Literally no one involved with the current production has ever heard of that episode. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 18, 2024 13:24:21 GMT
I feel the same way about Louise Jameson recently coming out and saying she was groped on set. I'm not even denying it's true, but if it was such a big deal, surely it would've come out during the, what, almost fifty years since she was a companion? It seems like trend-hopping to me, especially with the Weinstein conviction and broader #MeToo movement. Again with Freema, I'm sure there was some racist abuse (on fringe, long-defunct forums that she never would have stumbled upon in a million years, mind you) but why is it only coming out now? Everyone who has some kind of prominence in the public eye is gonna get hate, even the most beloved celebrities like Keanu Reeves I'm sure get vile messages in their inbox from trolls. I just don't understand why people take it so seriously. Maybe it is just a simple case of actors being precious, I don't know. I feel the same way about Talons of Weng-Chiang, where I can't fathom giving as much of a shit as a lot of other fans do. Yeah, its sensibilities are a little dated, but it's hardly advocating for discrimination or violence against Chinese people. It's something to share a laugh about, if anything. Why we need special features and panels fronted by race theorists banging on about it completely boggles my mind. It could be seen as a trend, but equally it could be seen as people feeling more comfortable in saying 'this also happened to me'. Louise has said that she simply didn't feel that she could complain at the time, and that she was young, naive and a bit green, so obviously didn't have the confidence to speak up at the time. Whilst I take the point that there has been a long period of time in which she could've said something, is it really up to anyone else to say when she should've done? Totally agree with you on Talons though. It's ridiculous to apply contemporary standards to something from 1976. And besides that, maybe Bert Kuwok wasn't available.  Burt Kwouk as Fu Manchu...  Sometimes you have to use Christopher Lee... |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 13:33:41 GMT
Jodie was essentially handed the role by Chibnall because they were mates and she was in Broadchurch. That's just as silly as the rumour that Colin Baker (who, by the way, was a perfect fit for the role regardless) was cast because he made JNT laugh at a party. She didn't have to work for the role like other women have had to do over the years. Even if they were still going to go down the female Doctor route, there were much better options at the time than Jodie.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 18, 2024 13:37:58 GMT
LOL someone posted these together on twitter. It's quite funny how pigeons really do learn faster than DW writers and actors, or their publicists. Whittaker didn't even bother to understand what that phrase or concept meant before co-opting it. As i understand it, the "white male gaze" is a tenet of second-wave feminism, pertaining to behaviours that women adopt purely to appeal to men. As such, a case could be made for the presentation of, say, Leela or Peri as being relevant to this concept. However, that is not what Whittaker is saying. If we approach this accurately, we are forced to conclude that Whittaker is suggesting that Doctor Who was merely a decades-long science fiction version of On the Buses... |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 13:44:40 GMT
Jodie was essentially handed the role by Chibnall because they were mates and she was in Broadchurch. That's just as silly as the rumour that Colin Baker (who, by the way, was a perfect fit for the role regardless) was cast because he made JNT laugh at a party. She didn't have to work for the role like other women have had to do over the years. Even if they were still going to go down the female Doctor route, there were much better options at the time than Jodie. Again 100 percent opposed to the idea of a female Doctor, but actresses who could play similar characters are almost too many to mention, though my favourite choice for a female Doctor like character is Morgana Robinson. She really is a female Tom Baker. Ultimately though someone who wanted to cast a female Doctor would never have cast anyone good in the role in my opinion. If that's what you care about, then you're not thinking about who would be the best for the part. You have agenda or your own ego on the brain, and so yeah it's not surprising that someone like Chibnall would f*ck it up in other ways. Incidentally that Colin thing people use against JNT is completely unfair (surprise surprise official fandom not giving the 80s a fair shake.) Whilst it was after seeing Colin be funny and eccentric at a wedding that JNT decided to hire him, people always overlook that JNT had worked with him as a professional actor prior to that, and had even told Colin not to keep stealing the show away from Peter Davison. Plus Colin was a very well known and respected actor before that on the Brothers. So yeah the clincher for JNT being that he saw how eccentric and funny he was in real life, isn't as bad with that in mind. Tom Baker was cast for pretty much the same reasons. Barry Letts had lunch with him and saw how insane he was and even said after the lunch "he would be a fantastic Doctor based on his personality alone, I just have to make sure he is a good actor on top of that" and then they went to see Golden Voyage of Sinbad which showed him Tom had the acting chops for the role. That's exactly how Colin was cast as far as I can see, but just in reverse, IE JNT knew before that Colin was a good, distinguished actor. People however always leave that out and just say JNT cast a guy he met at a party. Even Ian Levine was guilty of this. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 13:51:24 GMT
Jodie was essentially handed the role by Chibnall because they were mates and she was in Broadchurch. That's just as silly as the rumour that Colin Baker (who, by the way, was a perfect fit for the role regardless) was cast because he made JNT laugh at a party. She didn't have to work for the role like other women have had to do over the years. Even if they were still going to go down the female Doctor route, there were much better options at the time than Jodie. Again 100 percent opposed to the idea of a female Doctor, but actresses who could play similar characters are almost too many to mention, though my favourite choice for a female Doctor like character is Morgana Robinson. She really is a female Tom Baker. Ultimately though someone who wanted to cast a female Doctor would never have cast anyone good in the role in my opinion. If that's what you care about, then you're not thinking about who would be the best for the part. You have agenda or your own ego on the brain, and so yeah it's not surprising that someone like Chibnall would f*ck it up in other ways. Incidentally that Colin thing people use against JNT is completely unfair (surprise surprise official fandom not giving the 80s a fair shake.) Whilst it was after seeing Colin be funny and eccentric at a wedding that JNT decided to hire him, people always overlook that JNT had worked with him as a professional actor prior to that, and had even told Colin not to keep stealing the show away from Peter Davison. Plus Colin was a very well known and respected actor before that on the Brothers. So yeah the clincher for JNT being that he saw how eccentric and funny he was in real life, isn't as bad with that in mind. Tom Baker was cast for pretty much the same reasons. Barry Letts had lunch with him and saw how insane he was and even said after the lunch "he would be a fantastic Doctor based on his personality alone, I just have to make sure he is a good actor on top of that" and then they went to see Golden Voyage of Sinbad which showed him Tom had the acting chops for the role. That's exactly how Colin was cast as far as I can see, but just in reverse, IE JNT knew before that Colin was a good, distinguished actor. People however always leave that out and just say JNT cast a guy he met at a party. Even Ian Levine was guilty of this. JNT clearly saw something in Colin Baker. It wasn't so much JNT going "you made me laugh, you're hired!" but rather he saw how outgoing and eccentric he was. If he was captivating people at the party then, as an actor, he also had the ability to captivate audiences on TV. Jodie based her performance solely on what she had seen of Tennant. I've seen a bit of her in Broadchurch and none of her performances screamed Doctor material. Unfortunately, none of her performances as the Doctor screamed Doctor material either. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 18, 2024 14:08:51 GMT
I'd go for a younger Geraldine McEwan as the Doctor
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 14:18:26 GMT
I'd go for a younger Geraldine McEwan as the Doctor Well Miss Marple is much more of a female counterpart to the Doctor than other characters I've heard bandied about like Buffy. (Channel Pup annoyed me with that saying " You people who think a woman Doctor couldn't work, what about Buffy who was basically a female Doctor." UGH first of all, she's the opposite type of character to the Doctor, second I don't need condescending crap of how "look, look this show had a female hero so female heroes can work" from you as it's not about that as to why it wouldn't/didn't work.) Still sadly I haven't seen her act so I can't say. Morgana is still the number 1 choice for that type of hero for me as she is insane, naturally eccentric, posh in that wonderfully English way, a towering presence and she is gorgeous but again in a bit more of an unconventional way, same way the Doctors can often be handsome but in an odd way like Jon Pertwee. Plus she's always a laugh so even if the stories were crap she'd be entertaining. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 18, 2024 14:24:16 GMT
McEwan was in Red Dwarf! The 'Cassandra' episode.
Although tbh, I'd cast either of the Kochanskis too. Imagine Clare Grogan as a devil-may-care Doctor.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 14:27:18 GMT
McEwan was in Red Dwarf! The 'Cassandra' episode. Although tbh, I'd cast either of the Kochanskis too. Imagine Clare Grogan as a devil-may-care Doctor. She was awesome in Red Dwarf. I know people dislike Series 8, but Cassandra is one of the strongest episodes of Series 7-9 and a nice sort-of sequel to Future Echoes |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 14:30:54 GMT
McEwan was in Red Dwarf! The 'Cassandra' episode. Although tbh, I'd cast either of the Kochanskis too. Imagine Clare Grogan as a devil-may-care Doctor. Oh that was a hilarious episode. Her interactions with Rimmer were absolutely priceless and I just LOVE the ending where Lister tries to do his annoying, working class wisdom speech (the very thing Craig Charles became famous for before Red Dwarf) only to bugger it up and kill her hahaha. I always thought that was Zoe Wannamaker that played Cassandra. She was great in it. She'd be a more stiff, serious Doctor or Doctor like character though. Less of the crazy ham like Morgana who is more of a Tom type, wild, posh English looney haha. Clare Grogan would be the better of the two. I actually don't mind Chloe Annette, but I think another danger with casting the Doctor is that you can maybe make the character too stiff and sensible? Contrary to popular belief he's not completely a Van Helsing or a Sherlock Holmes. He is a bit more wild than they are which is why you can't always cast it that way of completely an old professor. Obviously not every Doctor has to be a crazy Tom Baker style actor, but even Hartnell, McCoy and Pertwee who were probably the most serious had their mad moments or quirks like Hartnell's mad giggling, Pertwee's clothes and arrogance etc. Chloe Annette and McEwan granted I'm only basing this on two performances, but they might just be too serious and straight. Grogan meanwhile I can see having that mad twinkle in her eye. Again though better to create a female character like that and be creative than use the Doctor, as ultimately I still run into the problem of having to imagine Morgana and Clare are Hartnell under the new face LOL, but you all know that anyway. I will say having a too serious Doctor is a better way to maybe miscast it than anything they've done in new who. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 14:31:52 GMT
I love how NuWho fans are accepting of almost anyone playing the Doctor except Americans. They simply blow a fuse thinking of a yank in the role.
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