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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 14:37:50 GMT
I love how NuWho fans are accepting of almost anyone playing the Doctor except Americans. They simply blow a fuse thinking of a yank in the role. Oh god what is that? It's such blatant racism that's what's hilarious. All this obnoxious crap about how Americans could never understand how wonderfully silly something like DW is. I still think how could the yanks possibly do a worse job than the British? I mean seriously? What is there for the Americans to f*ck up? FFS Americans have consistently churned out better sci fi for the past 30 years than Britain has. I mean Red Dwarf is one of my favourite all time series, but yeah that's just one show and a few others like New Who in its prime, Primeval, Merlin, and Being Human, but the yanks have given us dozens constantly. Also it drives me mad how stupid and illogical the whole Americans can't play it thing is. Why? How can you possible=y say a sex change is less jarring than a Doctor with an American accent? Besides he could just switch his accent anyway. That's why I often compare it to cult thinking because it's that same kind of opinion that doesn't hold up under any scrutiny, it's just irrational and dogmatic. It says a lot about how closed minded they are, that at one point Batman, Superman and Spider-Man were all played by English men and nobody gave a shit. Incidentally did anyone see that racist rejection letter the production team sent to Stephen King's son? |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 14:42:38 GMT
I love how NuWho fans are accepting of almost anyone playing the Doctor except Americans. They simply blow a fuse thinking of a yank in the role. Oh god what is that? It's such blatant racism that's what's hilarious. All this obnoxious crap about how Americans could never understand how wonderfully silly something like DW is. How could they possibly do a worse job than the British? I mean seriously? What is there for the Americans to f*ck up? FFS Americans have consistently churned out better sci fi for the past 30 years than Britain has. I mean Red Dwarf is one of my favourite all time series, but yeah that's just one show and a few others like New Who in its prime, Primeval, Merlin, and Being Human, but the yanks have given us dozens constantly. Also it drives me mad how stupid and illogical the whole Americans can't play it thing is. Why? How can you possible say a sex change is less jarring than a Doctor with an American accent? Besides he could just switch his accent anyway. It says a lot about how closed minded they are, that at one point Batman, Superman and Spider-Man were all played by English men and nobody gave a shit. Incidentally did anyone see that racist rejection letter the production team sent to Stephen King's son? I remember a YouTube video where a group of fans were looking at each regeneration and when it came to the TV Movie they all said, "The Americans didn't have a clue." I do wonder what they thought of the bi-regeneration crap. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 14:45:43 GMT
Oh god what is that? It's such blatant racism that's what's hilarious. All this obnoxious crap about how Americans could never understand how wonderfully silly something like DW is. How could they possibly do a worse job than the British? I mean seriously? What is there for the Americans to f*ck up? FFS Americans have consistently churned out better sci fi for the past 30 years than Britain has. I mean Red Dwarf is one of my favourite all time series, but yeah that's just one show and a few others like New Who in its prime, Primeval, Merlin, and Being Human, but the yanks have given us dozens constantly. Also it drives me mad how stupid and illogical the whole Americans can't play it thing is. Why? How can you possible say a sex change is less jarring than a Doctor with an American accent? Besides he could just switch his accent anyway. It says a lot about how closed minded they are, that at one point Batman, Superman and Spider-Man were all played by English men and nobody gave a shit. Incidentally did anyone see that racist rejection letter the production team sent to Stephen King's son? I remember a YouTube video where a group of fans were looking at each regeneration and when it came to the TV Movie they all said, "The Americans didn't have a clue." I do wonder what they thought of the bi-regeneration crap. FABULOUS, FABULOUS, FABULOUS 11/10 RT IS A GOD. Again it's like I said cult thinking is irrational. It doesn't matter if RTD actively does something that they criticised other writers and producers for. He is head of the cult that is DW fandom, so everything he does is 11/10. BURN THE USERS OF THE WHEEL! |
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Post by rushy on Apr 18, 2024 15:02:13 GMT
Chloe Annette and McEwan granted I'm only basing this on two performances, but they might just be too serious and straight. Grogan meanwhile I can see having that mad twinkle in her eye. Annette's Kochanski had plenty of silly manic moments. The bit where she starts talking to Starbug's squeaky pipes is priceless. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 18, 2024 15:19:51 GMT
Chloe Annette and McEwan granted I'm only basing this on two performances, but they might just be too serious and straight. Grogan meanwhile I can see having that mad twinkle in her eye. Annette's Kochanski had plenty of silly manic moments. The bit where she starts talking to Starbug's squeaky pipes is priceless. Sorry I felt those were her weakest moments. For me her best episode is Epideme. That's an episode you could only really do with her as if it were Rimmer who would relish in Lister's death like Future Echos or the one where they see their future selves it wouldn't have the same dramatic effect. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 18, 2024 15:32:00 GMT
Chloe Annette and McEwan granted I'm only basing this on two performances, but they might just be too serious and straight. Grogan meanwhile I can see having that mad twinkle in her eye. Annette's Kochanski had plenty of silly manic moments. The bit where she starts talking to Starbug's squeaky pipes is priceless. And when she asks the opinion of the wall because she's so tired of the crew being idiots  I love Chloe in the show. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 18, 2024 18:23:57 GMT
Annette's Kochanski had plenty of silly manic moments. The bit where she starts talking to Starbug's squeaky pipes is priceless. Sorry I felt those were her weakest moments. For me her best episode is Epideme. That's an episode you could only really do with her as if it were Rimmer who would relish in Lister's death like Future Echos or the one where they see their future selves it wouldn't have the same dramatic effect. All I remember about that episode is the amazing villain performance from Epideme's voice actor. Top 10 Red Dwarf antagonist |
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Post by iank on Apr 18, 2024 21:28:46 GMT
The bias against Americans is a product of the 80s/early 90s and daft media stories like David Hasselhoff being the Doctor in the movie. Though why this silliness has continued into the new generation who weren't even around back then is a mystery, other than that they are sheep who learn their opinions by rote (like many older fans, to be fair). There are many American character actors such as Jeff Goldblum and Peter MacNicol who would have made far better Doctors than any of RTD or Chinballs' ridiculous choices (I'll excuse Moffat on this, as I do think he cast well). They're just dumbos indulging in the current form of acceptable bigotry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 22:34:58 GMT
I roll my eyes whenever the usual American jokes come up on panel shows. Guns and fat people, that's all the ammunition these twobit "comedians" have. As if the occasional gun-toting hillbilly is any worse than the hordes of English football yobs you get in just about every town.
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 18, 2024 23:39:12 GMT
It could be seen as a trend, but equally it could be seen as people feeling more comfortable in saying 'this also happened to me'. Louise has said that she simply didn't feel that she could complain at the time, and that she was young, naive and a bit green, so obviously didn't have the confidence to speak up at the time. Whilst I take the point that there has been a long period of time in which she could've said something, is it really up to anyone else to say when she should've done? Totally agree with you on Talons though. It's ridiculous to apply contemporary standards to something from 1976. And besides that, maybe Bert Kuwok wasn't available.  Burt Kwouk as Fu Manchu...  Sometimes you have to use Christopher Lee... 😂 |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 19, 2024 8:01:44 GMT
You know it's funny. Speaking of Americans playing British roles, and Brits playing Yanks, as many of you may know Tim Curry was cast as the Joker in Batman the animated series and recorded about 4 or 5 episodes before he was forced to leave due to bronchitis. Mark Hamill famously took over and did an amazing job as the clown prince of crime.
A small sample of Curry's performances were finally released. Curry's Joker was great and did seem darker than Hamill's, having a much deeper, more spiteful voice. Overall though I still prefer Hamill whose voice has more range being able to cover the silly playful side and the darker side just as well. Still who knows, maybe Tim would have captured that too as he was only given a few episodes.
Anyway only reason I bring this up as another thing I prefer about Hamill's is ironically his Joker sounds more posh English which I think suits the character more. Even though the Joker is American, ultimately that posh, snobby upper class accent fits his personality of seeing himself above all the other criminals in Gotham. Even if he's not actually English, he seems like the type that would adopt that accent like Jonathan Harris LOL. Hamill apparently based his Joker on a number of British actors like Claude Rains as the Invisible Man, the Blue Meanies from Yellow Submarine and Rik Mayall. (He's a huge fan of Rik and Adrian Edmondson, even getting the latters autograph on Star Wars.)
Curry meanwhile gave his Joker a New Yaaawk accent, which to be fair matched the character from the comics as the only reason Gotham was created was because they couldn't set Batman in New York back then I think it was for legal reasons or something stupid, so yeah Gotham was basically New York in that universe, and the Joker clearly drew from the classic 1920s New York gangster look with his hat.
Still it's quite a nice irony that an American actor doing a British accent beat out a British actor doing an American accent for what is still an American character LOL. Unlike DW fans, Batman fans it seems actually value what seems to fit the character regardless of stupid tribalism.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 19, 2024 23:00:59 GMT
Speaking as a Doctor Who fan, i can't help but be confused; I thought stupid clothes were supposed to ruin the show..? The chasm in fan discourse over this and Colin Baker's costume echoes another possibility. Perhaps the issue wasn't his costume but instead his verbosity and intelligence... |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 20, 2024 20:06:01 GMT
Speaking as a Doctor Who fan, i can't help but be confused; I thought stupid clothes were supposed to ruin the show..? The chasm in fan discourse over this and Colin Baker's costume echoes another possibility. Perhaps the issue wasn't his costume but instead his verbosity and intelligence... No, no, no, no, no! 80s who was objectively terrible because it was cancelled and there was no other reason for it being cancelled. Plus panel show comedians said we were not keeeewwwwllll, and a lot of journalists who've never even seen the original said it was absolute crap and didn't take the show seriously like the season that had farting aliens, Anne Robinson robots, and burping wheely bins. Meanwhile Ncuti's latest. t.co/im9KBc5XjRIt's funny that he complains about white mediocrity. I can't think of a better example of stale, pale and male than the Fitzroy Crowd. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 20:44:40 GMT
Well to be fair there is a lot of white mediocrity in the BBC atm, and I'm sure there are black writers out there who could do a better job. Wait...let's not give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend like this is the point he's making, because it isn't. He's just being a racist, spiteful little man. Who thinks the Doctor should be f*cking TWERKING for f*ck's sake. I hope it fails and these clowns never work again. I hope Ncuti Gatwa grows old during a lacklustre career following his stint as the Doctor Who that everyone regards as the worst in history, thinking on his death bed "what went wrong?"
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 20, 2024 20:59:51 GMT
The chasm in fan discourse over this and Colin Baker's costume echoes another possibility. Perhaps the issue wasn't his costume but instead his verbosity and intelligence... No, no, no, no, no! 80s who was objectively terrible because it was cancelled and there was no other reason for it being cancelled. Plus panel show comedians said we were not keeeewwwwllll, and a lot of journalists who've never even seen the original said it was absolute crap and didn't take the show seriously like the season that had farting aliens, Anne Robinson robots, and burping wheely bins. Meanwhile Ncuti's latest. t.co/im9KBc5XjRIt's funny that he complains about white mediocrity. I can't think of a better example of stale, pale and male than the Fitzroy Crowd. Ncuti and RTD may just be the most unlikeable duo in the history of the show. |
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