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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 16, 2024 10:42:46 GMT
Very much a "Who for dummies" rather than anything insightful.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 16, 2024 13:09:39 GMT
Well, it's clear how much attention Nc*nti has paid to his supposed predecessors.
And there's no such word as "Pechant", mate...
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2024 13:25:20 GMT
I don't think Ncuti has really done anything to warrant name-calling or digs. Nor has Whittaker, for that matter. They seem like decent people.
I mean, if you were approached to be in a programme as prestigious as Doctor Who, and told that the head writer thinks you're fantastic, wouldn't you go for it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 13:57:18 GMT
It's an AI-generated script, sure. This whole thing reeks of artifice and insincerity. He does seems excited about the Third Doctor though, which is always a plus in my books.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 16, 2024 14:05:15 GMT
I don't think Ncuti has really done anything to warrant name-calling or digs. Nor has Whittaker, for that matter. They seem like decent people. I mean, if you were approached to be in a programme as prestigious as Doctor Who, and told that the head writer thinks you're fantastic, wouldn't you go for it? Agreed 100 percent, but I do admit that I made digs against Whittaker I hate to say circa 2018. I never called her ugly or anything like Bowlestrek did, or a bitch, but yeah I did call her Pisstaker and Jodie Nosepicker after her zany attempts to be wacky by sticking her finger up her nose. I'm sure she lived being called such names by a wanker online LOL, but I agree they are just actors taking a big gig, who didn't know shit about the show, and therefore how big deviations their portrayals are. It's up to the producers and writers to steer them in the right direction. Remember Tom wanted his Doctor to be a Monk who would never harm any living creature, even monsters, but the producers rightfully told him that wouldn't work and steered him in the direction where he was still able to bring in his own personality and make it his own, but in a way that fitted in with the Doctor. (Incidentally the only trace of Tom's monk idea that remains is that weird bit where he puts Sarah in the trance in the Zygon story and then does that weird AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH afterwards.) That said though whilst I'm sure Whittaker and Ncuti are fine people, to be fair both of them started throwing insults around at the fans. Whittaker said the show celebrated the white male gaze, and said people who objected to a female Doctors mothers would be ashamed of them. On top of that for a feminist she also could be seen as insulting other women in the industry with all her egocentric comments of she smashed a glass ceiling for women in the genre, and women when she was growing up never did anything interesting in genre things and stood to the side etc. She's not that much older than me, which means she would have been a child, teenager in the 80s and 90s, the golden ages of female heroes from Ripley, to Xena to Buffy etc. Clockwork meanwhile I believe had a quote from Ncuti where he called a lot of his critics ignorant bigoted c*nts too. Again I'm not saying that makes them bad people or anything who deserve online abuse. Jodie seems like a Ducky to me, and Ncuti seems like a nice guy. He was very nice to Misha B, one of my biggest crushes when she was feeling bad, giving her comforting messages, and he also was brave enough to tweet about Palestine as well unlike RTD. Still when Whittaker and Ncuti both stoke those flames with stupid reaction videos and obnoxious self aggrandizing interviews, well they can't be surprised when people start calling the Nc*nti and Pisstaker. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 16, 2024 14:05:51 GMT
I don't think Ncuti has really done anything to warrant name-calling or digs. Nor has Whittaker, for that matter. They seem like decent people. I mean, if you were approached to be in a programme as prestigious as Doctor Who, and told that the head writer thinks you're fantastic, wouldn't you go for it? Accept something uncritically, regardless of its quality or intent..? No. There's such a thing as standards. He's done plenty to warrant it. He's an attention-seeker of dubious talent, actively complicit in the dumbing down of Doctor Who, absent of critical judgement or responsibility and what you happen to think has no bearing on that... |
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2024 14:14:10 GMT
Nobody's talking about accepting something uncritically. There's a difference between criticising a work of television and acting like a self-important dick.
What I happen to think has no bearing? Seriously? You're gonna claim to be the word of objective truth? There's an ego RTD would be jealous of...
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 16, 2024 14:32:05 GMT
Nobody's talking about accepting something uncritically. Yes, they are. Exhibit A:- I have not done, nor do i claim to be so. I'm not talking about accepting what i say, i'm talking about dealing with the truth. Do you deny that Ncuti Gatwa is complicit in the dumbing down of Doctor Who..? I'd continue to bear that in mind, if i were you. Regarding the continuing Hive tradition of attaching insulting nicknames to those responsible for nuwho, you're at least 15 years too late to start bitching about that. "Nc*nti" isn't even my nickname; credit for that one belongs to Rob. If you have a problem with with it, take it up with the admin. However, if you're that concerned about looking like a "self-important dick", i'd stop telling people who've been on a forum years before you, how to behave on it... |
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2024 14:56:29 GMT
Do you deny that Ncuti Gatwa is complicit in the dumbing down of Doctor Who..? Of course I do, he's an actor. He has no say on how Doctor Who is run whatsoever. We may as well blame Colin for all the stuff that went wrong in his era. Regarding the continuing Hive tradition of attaching insulting nicknames to those responsible for nuwho, you're at least 15 years too late to start bitching about that. "Nc*nti" isn't even my nickname; credit for that one belongs to Rob. If you have a problem with with it, take it up with the admin. However, if you're that concerned about looking like a "self-important dick", i'd stop telling people who've been on a forum years before you, how to behave on it... Someone has to teach people how to behave in public, if their parents didn't. How else would you learn? It's a rubbish tradition, but I'm not going to fight admins over it. If anyone's daft enough to implement in the first place, they're unlikely to change their minds now. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 16, 2024 15:08:57 GMT
Of course I do, he's an actor. He has no say on how Doctor Who is run whatsoever. We may as well blame Colin for all the stuff that went wrong in his era. He has no say on how it is run. However, he chose to become involved. He is therefore complicit. As for Colin Baker; he was never willingly involved in a version of Doctor Who that deliberately eroded the programme's intelligence. So why bother to mention it in the first place? And who are you calling daft now..? |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 16, 2024 15:39:15 GMT
Nobody's talking about accepting something uncritically. There's a difference between criticising a work of television and acting like a self-important dick. What I happen to think has no bearing? Seriously? You're gonna claim to be the word of objective truth? There's an ego RTD would be jealous of... Not weighing in on either side of the personal beef as it's none of my business, but one thing for MY sake I do have to disagree on is that there can be no objective truth about these things. There can be. Ncuti's Doctor objectively is weak, because objectively he fails to be the Doctor. In the case of who is better Tom or Jon, or even whether you like them, that is entirely personal taste, but objectively both were the Doctor for reasons I've been through many times before and won't bore you with again (unless you insist.) Ncuti meanwhile objectively isn't the Doctor, as he bares so little to the core character, that was a thing no matter how hard they try to insist otherwise for 26 years. (Granted not seen much of him, but from what I have seen and his comments about Pertwee being the best because he is a slut LOL. I don't have high hopes.) Now again objectively that would be fine if he were in a remake, as like I said there is a difference between remakes and sequels, and in the former you can change the character more. You don't have to adhere to any personal history, all you have to do is follow the very basic idea which to be fair Ncuti does, of an alien in a blue box, fights some of his enemies etc. However once again RTD insisting on it all being one thing, through a desire to both milk the original and twist its identity in popular culture to his liking ironically makes his version objectively poor, as it can't function as a legit sequel, but also can't be like say Batman Begins, a proper reimagining with a fresh start. Now you can still like objectively poor things. For instance I like the 1970s 2000AD Dan Dare, despite the fact that was arguably objectively poor as a representation of Dan Dare, since it threw pretty much everything about the character in the bin. Similarly the 1998 Godzilla is an objectively poor representation of Godzilla again because it throws everything about him in the bin, but I still enjoy it as a campy monster flick. Still as I've said before I think when we get into the every interpretation is valid, anything can be DW, it becomes like modern art, where used condoms and animal corpses can be seen as pieces of art. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 15:48:02 GMT
I just hate how the show's getting more frivolous year-by-year. I would kill for a more austere, nasty version of Doctor Who that we saw glimpses of in the Colin era, only done well of course.
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2024 16:04:48 GMT
There can be. Ncuti's Doctor objectively is weak, because objectively he fails to be the Doctor. Yeah, I'm fine with that, but that's hardly any negative reflection on him as a person or even as an actor. He's just a performer with a particular style hired by a writer with particular wants, who told him what he wants and how he wants it. Shitting on him for it is the modern equivalent of shitting on Matthew Waterhouse, despite him doing exactly what was required of him by the producer. Or like the hate that Hayden Christensen got for the Star Wars prequels. He's just doing his job. For all we know, Ncuti's just in it to get into the sci-fi convention circuit and support his family in perpetuity. Even RTD at his worst is just someone who's got a really dumb notion of what the show should be. I can't at all understand the mindset of thinking any of them are part of some crime or conspiracy to destroy the show. This isn't how life works. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2024 16:26:35 GMT
I just hate how the show's getting more frivolous year-by-year. I would kill for a more austere, nasty version of Doctor Who that we saw glimpses of in the Colin era, only done well of course. Yeah, I had no idea it could get sillier than late era Matt |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 16, 2024 16:59:19 GMT
There can be. Ncuti's Doctor objectively is weak, because objectively he fails to be the Doctor. Yeah, I'm fine with that, but that's hardly any negative reflection on him as a person or even as an actor. He's just a performer with a particular style hired by a writer with particular wants, who told him what he wants and how he wants it. Shitting on him for it is the modern equivalent of shitting on Matthew Waterhouse, despite him doing exactly what was required of him by the producer. Or like the hate that Hayden Christensen got for the Star Wars prequels. He's just doing his job. For all we know, Ncuti's just in it to get into the sci-fi convention circuit and support his family in perpetuity. Even RTD at his worst is just someone who's got a really dumb notion of what the show should be. I can't at all understand the mindset of thinking any of them are part of some crime or conspiracy to destroy the show. This isn't how life works. Well I wasn't arguing that it's okay to shit on Ncuti as a person, just that it was okay to say something is objectively true or crap. Meanwhile I don't think there is a conspiracy or anything, but certainly DW has fallen into hands of a clique of people who want to use it for their own ends, and have 0 respect or real love for it. Finally as for RTD as a person, well I don't know the man personally so I can't say for sure if he's a dick. He could be one of these guys whose online persona comes over as needlessly confrontational, but overall from what I've read and seen, his character so far does not impress for the following reasons. He seems like an egomaniac who puts himself front and centre to a greater extent than even JNT and has built up an image of himself as the king of Doctor Who. Again how did he celebrate the 60th? With a docu about himself. There are allegations of bullying from Christopher Eccelston and the fact that Eccelston didn't get work again for ten years after on British tv suggests some blacklisting went on, which shows a vindictive side to RTD. Furthermore he and a lot of his mates like Paul Cornell have certainly tried to build up a cult of personality around themselves, with RTD openly admitting in his own book that contrary opinions don't get a look in, and naming a chapter in his book about his critics "bastards". He has also been abusive to fans online who criticise his precious writing in childish ways writing "poor baby" and "why don't you f*ck off." Then there are his nasty remarks about fat people throughout his work and his public bullying of Ian Levine. RTD is also a bit of a sleazebag at least based on some of his remarks. I know that might sound hypocritical of me given all my post about fancying big Fam, big Gina, big Katarina and big Xena LOL, but there is a difference. A/ I'm not in a position of power and would NEVER make those kinds of remarks about a woman who worked for me if I was. RTD openly does with the pictures of himself perving over Ncuti Gatwa. It's fair to speculate some casting couch went on there, not because they are both gay, but because RTD is leering over his shoulder whilst Ncuti strokes his face! Imagine if that were Andrew Cartmel and Sophie Aldred or Moffat and Karen Gillan? B/ RTD's comments are not just with his mates down the pub, or on a forum, but in a family magazine that children read. C/ They are also far more explicit. He doesn't just make a remark about some actor he has a crush on, he talks about orgies, partying with 20 naked men, boasts about his sexual conquests, includes references to having fingers up his ass in the actual show etc. D/ He also makes completely inappropriate remarks about chasing young male nurses, which again imagine if Joss Whedon or Moffat made a remark about chasing young female workers? On top of all his sleaziness, RTD also actively encouraged John Barrowman to walk about with his dick out. Again unlike others here I don't think Barrowman is a bad guy. I also know others involved in DW and other shows have done exactly what he has done and worse for laughs. Acting isn't a normal job, actors often get intimate with each other with entire crews watching and mess around with each other on set in all kinds of ways that wouldn't be acceptable in other areas of work. However at the same time I don't like that behavior at all, and personally would ban it on set if it ever happened. For a guy who prides himself on being so progressive however RTD seemed to encourage it, and turned the set of a family show into a boys only club and boasted about it. (In the ego stroking Ballad of Julie and Russell they even laugh about Barrowman having his cock out.) This also leads onto my next point. He is a total hypocrite in pretty much all of his beliefs. He is the most laughably Un PC producer in the shows history. Seriously he makes f*cking Al Bundy look like a proud feminist, yet makes out he is unbelievably woke. Let's see shall well? He changes Davros' iconic design and insults Terry Nation, Philip Hinchcliff and John Friedlander in the process to be sensitive about the disabled, (despite Davros not being disabled in the conventional sense.) Yet he is the only one to actually compare the Daleks to the disable with his Stephen Hawking joke in the entire history of DW. He also used an abelist slur against fans, calling them ming mongs, which even by the standards of the time was seen as outdated and awful. He claims to be such a feminist who has fixed DW and finally got women liking it, and boasts that he writes fantastic female characters, which not only ignores the 80 percent female fandom who helped keep it alive in the 80s and the many strong women involved in the show throughout, but his idea of great female characters is basically to have them want the main characters D. Hilariously he is the first writer to dumb down the female character to that I might add. Other companions travelled because they wanted to see the stars, learn about new cultures, or even just protect their friends, or because they were concerned about a student, like Susan. He also tends to portray women as shallow and mean to their boyfriends for no reason like Rose and Mickey, being materialistic, exchanging sex for favors like Jackie does, and makes jokes about middle aged women being ugly and passed it like 10's remarks about Jackie, or the jokes about Donna being unattractive like when Jack who flirts with everybody including insectoid women, is visibly scared of the horny Donna. His earlier work meanwhile like Queer as Folk frequently had unbelievably misogynistic remarks made by the main characters, and whilst I've not seen it, I believe his drama about the aids crisis came in for criticism for leaving out the role lesbians played in helping gay men through that dark time as well. He also claims to be for gay rights, yet writes dramas where gay characters are portrayed as literal predators of young boys, writes most of them as flaaaaaaaming sex obsessed stereotypes, also as Clockwork pointed out, happily had Anne Widdicombe a notoriously homophobic politician as a guest in DW, and filmed in Dubai a place where homosexuals are persecuted! He also has openly cast people out of the world of DW like Eccelston and Gareth Roberts, and has encouraged that kind of atmosphere that has led to others being cancelled, yet works with some absolutely c*nts. The alreadly mentioned Anne Widdicombe, Neil Patrick Harris a guy who makes misognyistic corpse cakes of the recently deceased, Elizabeth Sandifier who tells people to kill themselves, Tracy Ann Cyberman, who cheers on a genocide and attacks genuine left wing politicians like Jeremy Corbyn and his BFF Benjamin Cook is a known bully who manipulated a young woman with depression's mental health problems and blacklisted her. I'm amazed he can take a shit without it being an act of hypocrisy? Overall again whilst I don't know the man personally, overall it's fair to say based on this he comes over as an egocentric, shallow nasty piece of work |
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