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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2024 14:30:13 GMT
Not fond of any of them. Not even Bonnie now. Did the world just end? What next me thinking Ingrid Oliver's an ugly old hag, or that women with big noses are ugly. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Apr 26, 2024 15:29:51 GMT
It's hard to respect people who are such shameless sellouts.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2024 16:11:27 GMT
It's hard to respect people who are such shameless sellouts. To be fair to her, Bonnie was in absolute shit DW back in the 80s, and her character was nothing more than JNT's caricatured view of feminists, so I'm not exactly expecting her to think anything different of the panto shit show it is now. The ones I get disappointed in are those who were in classic DW stories that were brilliant and praise RTD or worse act like he was better than their version, like Louise Jameson who was in things like Robots of Death and says that Robert Holmes could have been the RTD of his day. UGH. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 26, 2024 16:19:45 GMT
It's hard to respect people who are such shameless sellouts. To be fair to her, Bonnie was in absolute shit DW back in the 80s, and her character was nothing more than JNT's caricatured view of feminists, so I'm not exactly expecting her to think anything different of the panto shit show it is now. The ones I get disappointed in are those who were in classic DW stories that were brilliant and praise RTD or worse act like he was better than their version, like Louise Jameson who was in things like Robots of Death and says that Robert Holmes could have been the RTD of his day. UGH. It's more the fact that she's now cosy with the type of people that loathed her. All of a sudden she's now a much loved companion because of RTD. She was a generic character at best in that special. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 16:20:21 GMT
What does she mean by "Could have been the RTD of his day"?
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 26, 2024 16:24:51 GMT
If JNT did half the things that RTD has done in the last six months he would have been hunted down and massacred. Ian Levine himself seems to be in love with this new era now despite the fact that he gave Chibnall and co a good kicking at the time. I mean why are fans who are capable of seeing through bullshit suddenly pretending the show is great again? Nowt has changed. It's still the same lifeless, generic and, to be honest, hateful series that it was three years ago. It's just written by someone you associate good memories with.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 26, 2024 16:29:02 GMT
It's hard to respect people who are such shameless sellouts. To be fair to her, Bonnie was in absolute shit DW back in the 80s, and her character was nothing more than JNT's caricatured view of feminists, so I'm not exactly expecting her to think anything different of the panto shit show it is now. The ones I get disappointed in are those who were in classic DW stories that were brilliant and praise RTD or worse act like he was better than their version, like Louise Jameson who was in things like Robots of Death and says that Robert Holmes could have been the RTD of his day. UGH. "Russell T Davies is just a genius, isn’t he? How can you describe that man’s talents.” - Louise Jameson Yes, Louise, how can you? With difficulty  |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2024 16:32:11 GMT
If JNT did half the things that RTD has done in the last six months he would have been hunted down and massacred. Ian Levine himself seems to be in love with this new era now despite the fact that he gave Chibnall and co a good kicking at the time. I mean why are fans who are capable of seeing through bullshit suddenly pretending the show is great again? Nowt has changed. It's still the same lifeless, generic and, to be honest, hateful series that it was three years ago. It's just written by someone you associate good memories with. I have 0 idea why the likes of Ian think it's great again. JNT was unfairly maligned, and the only good thing is that surely most people will come to see that now if RTD is doing all the things he did only worse? Mind you just ask Eric Roberts who apparently undermined the Master in the eyes of the public by making it too campy, unlike those who followed him, apparently. |
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Post by zarius on Apr 26, 2024 16:46:50 GMT
I mean why are fans who are capable of seeing through bullshit suddenly pretending the show is great again? Nowt has changed. It's still the same lifeless, generic and, to be honest, hateful series that it was three years ago. It's just written by someone you associate good memories with. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 26, 2024 17:04:31 GMT
The ones I get disappointed in are those who were in classic DW stories that were brilliant and praise RTD or worse act like he was better than their version, like Louise Jameson who was in things like Robots of Death and says that Robert Holmes could have been the RTD of his day. UGH. I'm unsure if Jameson said exactly that. From what I remember, the source for that comment came from one of those "Behind the Sofa" skits in which she was watching The Ark in Space with Janet Fielding, in which she said that Holmes was the "Russell T Davies of that era" (not that he was inferior). It's not much different, mind you, but one wonders if she said that primarily to appeal to Fielding's sensibilities and to give her a frame of reference. The basic point sadly stands though... |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 26, 2024 17:06:16 GMT
Russell T Davies is just a genius, isn’t he? How can you describe that man’s talents.” - Louise Jameson Yes, Louise, how can you? With difficulty Never mind. Looks like I gave Jameson too much of the benefit of the doubt... |
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Post by iank on Apr 26, 2024 21:48:36 GMT
Christ, the man is a barely literate babbling buffoon, and that's ignoring his even less flattering character attributes.
Talk about the Emperor's New Clothes. I'm positive all his scripts are actually written in crayon. I hate everyone associated with this f*cking embarassment now.
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 27, 2024 1:21:51 GMT
Russell T Davies is just a genius, isn’t he? How can you describe that man’s talents.” - Louise Jameson Yes, Louise, how can you? With difficulty Never mind. Looks like I gave Jameson too much of the benefit of the doubt... It's very disappointing. I had always respected Louise more than many others actors, and turned a blind eye to this on the basis she always seems as though she's trying to be a nice person to everyone. I'd like the chance to hear her elaborate on exactly why she thinks this. I like her a lot as a person, but it wouldn't stand up in my court. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 27, 2024 3:29:41 GMT
Louise lost me with that insane Survivors audio she wrote
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 27, 2024 10:10:00 GMT
Never mind. Looks like I gave Jameson too much of the benefit of the doubt... It's very disappointing. I had always respected Louise more than many others actors, and turned a blind eye to this on the basis she always seems as though she's trying to be a nice person to everyone. I'd like the chance to hear her elaborate on exactly why she thinks this. I like her a lot as a person, but it wouldn't stand up in my court. I think it's a bit much to lose respect for someone based on their shit taste in tv. I mean my best friend in the whole world is a fan of Eminem who I despise. I'm not just pissed off with him like RTD, I hate everything about Eminem LOL. It pisses me off that I am of the same species as that man! Some people just have blind spots. Also actors aren't writers and they aren't fans either. I doubt Louise has kept up to date with DW. She probably has only watched the odd episode now and again and therefore has 0 idea on what makes the Doctor, the Doctor or anything like that. It's fine for her to just buy into the party line that RTD is a genius with that in mind. I must admit whilst I like her as a person, Katy Manning was the only one of the actors that did annoy me with her remarks about how Michael Grade is unfairly maligned and was good for the show as it was such a joke in the 80s, it needed killing, but now thanks to the hiatus it was better than ever, not to mention she said Anthony Ainley made the role of the Master a joke yet praised both Cyber Brig and Pissy Missy as touching tributes! That's bad as that actively reinforces harmful stereotypes against the show and its actors. Again though I can attribute that partly at least in terms of Ainley to the fact that she and him simply didn't get along. (Ainley appears to have been quite an eccentric and difficult character at times, with the likes of Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred also describing him as "mysterious", and Gary Russell having very bad words to say about him, though Russell is also a bit of a prick.) The ones that annoyed me the most were the writers who did have a better idea of what made the show work, yet who went easy on new who, like Terrance Dicks. He had the cheek to absolutely eviscerate JNT again and again, yet praised RTD and Moffat? Again though I think that was petty dislike, but even then he should have been a professional. My opinion of Terrance Dicks has dropped in the last few years. Obviously I still think he was a fantastic writer and probably the best script editor the show ever had, but yeah he seems to have been a bit of a petty dick at times. His treatment of the Cybermen which did f*ck them over was all because of a snobby dislike he had of Kit Pedler, who he felt had no business being a writer as he was just a doctor (never mind that outside of DW Pedler actually had a bigger career than he did!) Also through constantly attacking the 80s era and even making out that its three Doctors were badly miscast, and then kissing the arse of the revival, calling Tennant a born to play it type, and his ridiculously stupid sexist remarks like "I think women should be strapped to railway lines in fiction and nothing else and DW has always been about that." He was quite possibly the single worst ambassador for the series there has ever been. I also blame him for the stupid, mind meltingly pretentious and not even accurate "never cruel, never cowardly" bullshit line that became an obnoxious mantra among the shows fandom. |
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