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Post by rushy on Mar 27, 2024 17:08:20 GMT
New Who as a fully respectable entity died with The Impossible Astronaut. That kickstarted the shit arc of series 6.
Everything before that still holds up more or less. No subsequent season comes close to 1-5. Except maybe parts of 10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 17:34:50 GMT
However again I just don't get this attitude that the "woke shit" began with Chibbers? Why do these people overlook Missy? Why? That was every bit as bad as what Davies did to Davros. Worse actually, as Davies retcon though utterly pathetic and hypocritical, was at least just surface level. He didn't destroy Davros' actual character, he didn't cast an actor who was woefully miscast in the role. I've said it before but having him invent the Daleks before his becoming disabled does actually destroy his character in my opinion |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 17:36:15 GMT
New Who as a fully respectable entity died with The Impossible Astronaut. That kickstarted the shit arc of series 6. Everything before that still holds up more or less. No subsequent season comes close to 1-5. Except maybe parts of 10. Yeah, incidentally that's about the point where the buzz around the show dropped off. The very last time I remember people talking about the show at school the next day was when the astronaut killed the Doctor, which in retrospect is a somewhat appropriate image. It will always be the turning point for me. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2024 17:54:50 GMT
However again I just don't get this attitude that the "woke shit" began with Chibbers? Why do these people overlook Missy? Why? That was every bit as bad as what Davies did to Davros. Worse actually, as Davies retcon though utterly pathetic and hypocritical, was at least just surface level. He didn't destroy Davros' actual character, he didn't cast an actor who was woefully miscast in the role. I've said it before but having him invent the Daleks before his becoming disabled does actually destroy his character in my opinion Oh it is actively terrible and completely f*cks up his history. Believe me I am NOT going to bat for what RTD did to Davros. It was awful in every conceivable way. It showed absolute contempt for Terry Nation, John Friedlander, Michael Wisher, Robert Holmes and Philip Hinchcliff, completely misunderstood everything about the character, completely talked down to the minorities he thought he was pandering too, messed up established history with no explanation, and worse made it harder for anyone who comes next to do a faithful version of Davros without being called a bigot. That's before I get to the sheer hypocrisy that RTD is ruining an icon, because he is so sensitive about these issues, when he is the one who has a history of making fun of the disabled both in the show and in real life. Calling his critics mongs, an abusive term that was outdated even back then (like I've said before, go watch Extra's from that time where a character who is meant to be a prick says it and it's presented as awful.) He also included jokes that compared Stephen Hawking to the Daleks and Cybermen in the show too. Then there's all his other hilariously unpc shit over the years, from rampant misogyny in Queer as Folk, to having a 30 year old man get off with a 15 year old boy in Queer as Folk, to working with NPH and blocking anyone who brings up said actors past psychotic misogyny bullying a dead anorexic woman, to working with Tracy Ann Cyberman and her pro genocide stance, to filming in Dubai, to constant jokes about fat people, and actively bullying fans like Ian Levine at public events. RTD is without doubt the least PC or progressive or sensitive producer this long show has ever had, including JNT the guy who actively wanted to piss off the PC brigade LOL. All of that should have convinced anyone with any doubt that RTD was an egocentric, arrogant, hypocritical wind bag who should never be allowed near something as imaginative and intelligent as DW again. That said however LOL. At the very least his able bodied Davros, did at least stick to the very basic template of what Davros was, in that he was still a mad scientist who created the Daleks, still played by an actor who was cast because he could play the character. Missy literally had NOTHING to do with the Master. Even superficially, even in terms of the name, there is literally nothing about the Master in there. It's the worst in that respect. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2024 17:56:48 GMT
New Who as a fully respectable entity died with The Impossible Astronaut. That kickstarted the shit arc of series 6. Everything before that still holds up more or less. No subsequent season comes close to 1-5. Except maybe parts of 10. Yeah, incidentally that's about the point where the buzz around the show dropped off. The very last time I remember people talking about the show at school the next day was when the astronaut killed the Doctor, which in retrospect is a somewhat appropriate image. It will always be the turning point for me. Ironically I'd say based on my experience it reached its peak in popularity in 2013. To me that was the best time to be a DW fan and represents its peak of popularity probably in my entire life time. Of course we all have different experiences, but not to sound arrogant LOL, mine's in this instance appears to match the general public as the huge drop off in viewers happens not long after 2013. Capaldi's first series did okay, but his second was a gigantic flop in viewers and it has never recovered barring a tiny spurt in Jodie's first series since. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 27, 2024 18:24:23 GMT
Both are true. It did reach its peak in 2013, but it also coasted along series 6 and especially 7.
The 50th was a massive shot in the arm, having Tennant, Piper, Tom, Gallifrey restored and a firm new direction for the show. Moff completely wasted the buzz he got from it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 19:14:14 GMT
God I completely forgot about that. "Stephen Hawking meets a speaking clock" was it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 19:18:13 GMT
Yeah, incidentally that's about the point where the buzz around the show dropped off. The very last time I remember people talking about the show at school the next day was when the astronaut killed the Doctor, which in retrospect is a somewhat appropriate image. It will always be the turning point for me. Ironically I'd say based on my experience it reached its peak in popularity in 2013. To me that was the best time to be a DW fan and represents its peak of popularity probably in my entire life time. Of course we all have different experiences, but not to sound arrogant LOL, mine's in this instance appears to match the general public as the huge drop off in viewers happens not long after 2013. Capaldi's first series did okay, but his second was a gigantic flop in viewers and it has never recovered barring a tiny spurt in Jodie's first series since. It all felt very performative to me. Like rushy said, it was a shot in the arm, but this show has been on a downward trajectory since 2011, and not even the recent Tennant specials could do anything to buck that trend. The impact of the Tennant years was so unbelievably huge, and the lingering momentum managed to last about a decade, with most people watching either indifferently or with the hope that it would someday return to its former glory. I think it's safe to say that that hope has all but died away now. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Mar 28, 2024 16:33:23 GMT
New interview with Moffat. Haven't watched it myself, but it might of interest to some of you.
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 28, 2024 16:44:41 GMT
New interview with Moffat. Haven't watched it myself, but it might of interest to some of you. As the saying goes: Thanks, but no thanks. 😉 |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Mar 28, 2024 17:15:04 GMT
Correction...
Moffat Has Written The 2024 Christmas Special and it's going to be shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2024 17:15:52 GMT
New interview with Moffat. Haven't watched it myself, but it might of interest to some of you. Might watch it because I'm bored. I'll give a TLDR afterwards if anyone wants |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2024 17:56:49 GMT
Bit distracted because the guy interviewing him is cute as hell
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 28, 2024 18:43:54 GMT
I watched it. Honestly Moff came over as very charming and funny. A very likable person in real life. Also had no idea the poor guy had cancer!
I disagreed with some of the things he was saying, but overall good interview. He's so much more likable than RTD, dear god!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2024 19:00:38 GMT
I watched it. Honestly Moff came over as very charming and funny. A very likable person in real life. Also had no idea the poor guy had cancer! I disagreed with some of the things he was saying, but overall good interview. He's so much more likable than RTD, dear god! God, it's going around like the plague. The King, Kate Middleton, Ninja the Fortnite YouTuber, and now Steven bloody Moffat. And I agree, he is supremely charming, and not at all smarmy with it like some would be. He seems genuinely down to earth. |
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