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Post by ClockworkOcean on Nov 28, 2023 17:37:00 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 28, 2023 18:04:09 GMT
Good video. Nice to see another 90s baby DW fan. Whilst I agree with everything he said in this, again I will say the time to get angry at one of the villains being changed and carved up for THE MESSAGE was Missy back in 2014. I just don't understand these even anti sjw DW fans who will STILL say "how was Missy woke," or "I liked Missy." That drives me up the wall I'll be honest.
I'm not saying Drinker is like that. I have 0 idea on what his opinions are on that, but the point is maybe, just maybe if this outrage had been shown in 2014, they could have diverted at least some of the disaster that was heading DW's way. Ironically mainstream viewers who deserted after she showed up did more to help it, but in actual fact as much as they hate us, it's the fans that get through to them as they can always lie and say mainstream viewers didn't watch it for this unrelated reason.
Clearly that's what RTD is doing. He actually thinks in his arrogance that Missy, Jodie, Timeless Children only failed because of bad marketing, and with his touch then they can hit it big. To be fair why wouldn't he when people do lists of the best Master and include her as number 1, and have polls that say Jodie was the most popular.
Complaining about Davros' chair being removed is too little too late (again not saying this to Drinker, but to the fandom in general.)
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Post by iank on Nov 28, 2023 20:48:31 GMT
Davies has had a very rude awakening on how out of touch he is just for the last two weeks, and if this keeps going (which it will, because he can't help himself) he's going to have a very unpleasent time for the next couple of years.
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Post by mott1 on Nov 28, 2023 20:49:53 GMT
I quite like Critical Drinker's reviews (and have one of his action thriller books, which is very entertaining if ultimately a bit chiche-ridden), tho his attacks on Marvel have become a little over-familiar. I guess RTD and co want us to only have white, heterosexual, able-bodied, middle aged/old men as the villains now. As Burrun says, it does seem odd how so many ignored all the other things the Fitzroy Tavern trio screwed up one by one.
It's amazing how three 'fans' apparently understand so little about the show they ended up running.
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Post by iank on Nov 28, 2023 20:58:20 GMT
I can't take any claim that RTD is a fan now seriously. The only thing he's a fan of is himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 21:30:40 GMT
I can't take any claim that RTD is a fan now seriously. The only thing he's a fan of is himself. I think he enjoyed the show growing up, but the idea that he's some sort of "super fan" is beyond laughable. |
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Post by iank on Nov 28, 2023 21:35:04 GMT
Like Chinballs, who helpfully told us all when he took over that he hadn't watched the classic series in decades.
Yeah they're such great "fans". With fans like this, who needs enemies?
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 28, 2023 22:07:31 GMT
Like Chinballs, who helpfully told us all when he took over that he hadn't watched the classic series in decades. Yeah they're such great "fans". With fans like this, who needs enemies? I like to compare them to John Semper Jr. He produced the 90s Spider-Man the animated series. He was a huge fan of Spider-Man in the 60s and 70s, but then grew out of it when he became a teenager and hadn't bothered with it in like 20 years when he got the gig for the 90s Spider-Man show. That's EXACTLY what RTD, Chibnall and Moffat where like for DW. Chibnall admits to this in a 2012 interview The difference is however, after being hired Semper went away and read every Spider-Man comic he could, made his writers read them, and even some of his actors because he wanted to do his old childhood favourite justice. RTD, Moff, and Chibnall however didn't care as they actively looked down on the original. They regarded it as silly, dated, awful tv that was good for the 60s but would only be remembered as a joke, as they lived in the elitist bubble where it was regarded that way. As a result when they came to make it, they largely did their own thing, and whenever they tried to cash in on the original, they pieced it together from vague memories. They certainly didn't think there was anything they needed to adhere to. |
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Post by henshin on Nov 29, 2023 2:07:41 GMT
With the BBC being less involved with the show, and now having the blessing of Disney as a shadow curator of the creative decisions, I expect nothing to change. I was wrong about the coming era, I admit that.
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Post by zarius on Nov 29, 2023 9:04:39 GMT
Like Chinballs, who helpfully told us all when he took over that he hadn't watched the classic series in decades. Yeah they're such great "fans". With fans like this, who needs enemies? I like to compare them to John Semper Jr. He produced the 90s Spider-Man the animated series. He was a huge fan of Spider-Man in the 60s and 70s, but then grew out of it when he became a teenager and hadn't bothered with it in like 20 years when he got the gig for the 90s Spider-Man show. That's EXACTLY what RTD, Chibnall and Moffat where like for DW. Chibnall admits to this in a 2012 interview The difference is however, after being hired Semper went away and read every Spider-Man comic he could, made his writers read them, and even some of his actors because he wanted to do his old childhood favourite justice. Most of the Spider-Man animated series writers were experienced comic book writers. Gerry Conway wrote the pilot, J.M DeMatties wrote several episodes also. Semper also was held back by Stan Lee. He wanted more love interests in the show, but Stan told him only to keep the focus on Mary Jane. That's why the Black Cat relationship was strictly flirtatious and every episode Peter had to remind us all that he wasn't over losing MJ until she (or rather, her clone) came back. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 9:06:44 GMT
Yeah, good video overall. I may disagree with his Bond views, but he always seem to be on point about Doctor Who. |
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Post by zarius on Nov 29, 2023 9:25:21 GMT
I don't rate the drinker very highly these days, here he just rattles off a very weathered and watered down version of every generic cultural commentator has had to say about the Davros situation, and deliberately ignores that this was set in Davros' past pre-accident. If RTD hadn't made his stupid comments on Unleashed, Drinker would have looked ridiculous here. I blame RTD's inability to read the room for this kind of disingenuous yet fully intentional misdirection on Drinker's part.
I would recommend Dave Cullen's video on the special instead. He's checked out at this point and recommends others do the same than spend constant energy tearing the modern show down, and to focus and build on things of your own that will have firm foundations. Comics, books, films etc, he's encouraging others to be creative and to contribute
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 9:50:03 GMT
I don't rate the drinker very highly these days, here he just rattles off a very weathered and watered down version of every generic cultural commentator has had to say about the Davros situation, and deliberately ignores that this was set in Davros' past pre-accident. If RTD hadn't made his stupid comments on Unleashed, Drinker would have looked ridiculous here. I blame RTD's inability to read the room for this kind of disingenuous yet fully intentional misdirection on Drinker's part. I would recommend Dave Cullen's video on the special instead. He's checked out at this point and recommends others do the same than spend constant energy tearing the modern show down, and to focus and build on things of your own that will have firm foundations. Comics, books, films etc, he's encouraging others to be creative and to contribute Dave had some seriously f*cked up right wing views a while back. He voted against gay marriage and said that it would unravel our society. To be fair to him that was circa 2018, and perhaps he has mellowed since then? I hope so, as he does seem like a decent, cool guy. I definitely prefer his content recently as he has just been exploring the things he loves and has gone over some old sci fi classics rather than repeat the usual culture war shit. Also the fact that he doesn't take part in those obnoxious, ego stroking, wanking each other off, Friday Night Tights live streams is to his credit. That was the video where they just descended into school yard bullies doing an impression of a woman they didn't like hosting a nerd show, going on about how ugly she was and how they couldn't jack off to her. I really dislike the woman who did the Frosk impression. I can't remember her name, but she seems like a bitch, and watching her flirt with Sargon was cringe as f*ck going on about how young he looked and building up his ego UGH. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 29, 2023 10:02:46 GMT
I don't rate the drinker very highly these days, here he just rattles off a very weathered and watered down version of every generic cultural commentator has had to say about the Davros situation, and deliberately ignores that this was set in Davros' past pre-accident. If RTD hadn't made his stupid comments on Unleashed, Drinker would have looked ridiculous here. I blame RTD's inability to read the room for this kind of disingenuous yet fully intentional misdirection on Drinker's part. Aren't Davies' comments the central crux behind Drinker's video though? He cites them, Davies did irrefutably make them, and they're difficult to misinterpret. "He's a wheelchair user who is evil and I had problems with that...Things used to be in Black and White and they aren't in Black and White anymore; Davros used to look like that and he looks like this now". What else was Davies supposed to mean by this? I personally initially assumed that this was set pre-accident too, but Davies never confirms this on Unleashed, and simply justifies it via the original Davros supposedly being problematic. I don't agree with everything the Drinker says either- either culturally (believing that 2010 is a superior film to 2001) or politically (attacking those despairing at Johnson's 2019 election victory and framing most of his critiques around culture war battles)- but I reckon this is fair criticism. |
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Post by mott1 on Nov 29, 2023 10:39:55 GMT
I don't rate the drinker very highly these days, here he just rattles off a very weathered and watered down version of every generic cultural commentator has had to say about the Davros situation, and deliberately ignores that this was set in Davros' past pre-accident. If RTD hadn't made his stupid comments on Unleashed, Drinker would have looked ridiculous here. I blame RTD's inability to read the room for this kind of disingenuous yet fully intentional misdirection on Drinker's part. I would recommend Dave Cullen's video on the special instead. He's checked out at this point and recommends others do the same than spend constant energy tearing the modern show down, and to focus and build on things of your own that will have firm foundations. Comics, books, films etc, he's encouraging others to be creative and to contribute Dave had some seriously f*cked up right wing views a while back. He voted against gay marriage and said that it would unravel our society. To be fair to him that was circa 2018, and perhaps he has mellowed since then? I hope so, as he does seem like a decent, cool guy. I definitely prefer his content recently as he has just been exploring the things he loves and has gone over some old sci fi classics rather than repeat the usual culture war shit. Also the fact that he doesn't take part in those obnoxious, ego stroking, wanking each other off, Friday Night Tights live streams is to his credit. That was the video where they just descended into school yard bullies doing an impression of a woman they didn't like hosting a nerd show, going on about how ugly she was and how they couldn't jack off to her. I really dislike the woman who did the Frosk impression. I can't remember her name, but she seems like a bitch, and watching her flirt with Sargon was cringe as f*ck going on about how young he looked and building up his ego UGH. I've seen a fair few Dave Cullen videos - his ones are Star Trek are his best, I think (and Drinker's ones about that franchise are good too), but I certainly don't agree with his gay marriage or Brexit views. He must have changed his stance recently then, as he used to love the culture wars! |
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