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Post by cyberhat on Nov 29, 2023 10:40:11 GMT
The main flaw these culture war Youtube commentators have is believing that uber-capitalist, sweat-shop using, union busting multi-national entertainment companies are "marxist".
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 10:41:36 GMT
The main flaw these culture war Youtube commentators have is believing that uber-capitalist, sweat-shop using, union busting multi-national entertainment companies are "marxist". Oh god tell me about it, they drive me up the wall with that. It was like Sargon thinking that Hillary Clinton was a communist. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 29, 2023 10:50:13 GMT
The main flaw these culture war Youtube commentators have is believing that uber-capitalist, sweat-shop using, union busting multi-national entertainment companies are "marxist". Despite occasionally making pertinent points about the culture they analyse, they have no political consciousness or awareness whatsoever. Identity Politics is itself an establishment tool designed to divide and conquer, hence it being championed by supposedly progressive parties intent on funding genocidal apartheid regimes (and despised by grassroots socialism). It should absolutely be critiqued- including in culture- but both identitarian liberals/pseudo-leftists and the populist right regularly weaponise it. Being aware of this ought to strengthen one’s critique of it, and it’s a shame so few mainstream cultural commentators bother to look into it- assuming they aren’t deliberately shoring up the status-quo. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 16:40:09 GMT
The main flaw these culture war Youtube commentators have is believing that uber-capitalist, sweat-shop using, union busting multi-national entertainment companies are "marxist". Despite occasionally making pertinent points about the culture they analyse, they have no political consciousness or awareness whatsoever. Identity Politics is itself an establishment tool designed to divide and conquer, hence it being championed by supposedly progressive parties intent on funding genocidal apartheid regimes (and despised by grassroots socialism). It should absolutely be critiqued- including in culture- but both identitarian liberals/pseudo-leftists and the populist right regularly weaponise it. Being aware of this ought to strengthen one’s critique of it, and it’s a shame so few mainstream cultural commentators bother to look into it- assuming they aren’t deliberately shoring up the status-quo. Honestly I don't bother with these youtube commentators to tell me what I had worked out about DW and its pandering to neo liberal, shallow politics posing as leftie politics, since 2013, when honestly I don't care how egocentric this is, I did it much better than they ever did. I didn't play RTD's game and see him as a left wing revolutionary. I saw him and Chibnall as the upper middle class, spoiled, Oxford boys wanting to chase a fad to feel young and ironically get lots of money. I also saw Moffat as someone henpecked by the feminist fan base into going along with it. I also pointed out where it began in RTD era 1 and didn't say his was the golden era, I didn't somehow, inexplicably think Missy was a great character and not at all part of this crap. I also didn't buy into Moffat's revisionist shit of time lords have always been non binary because it's canon and I didn't still push the idea of a female Doctor was brilliant like that former tv executive guy with the glasses did in his recent video, what's his name? Anyone who still says a female Doctor is a great idea that just didn't work because of Chibnall, is part of the problem. Again I don't doubt that an actress like Morgana Robinson, Paloma Faith or Susan Wokoma coud have been more entertaining than Jodie Whittaker who was quite painful to watch, but even then if the show does somehow through a miracle at this stage, get free from the Fitzroy's cold dead hands and become a witty, intelligent, imaginative sci fi series again, then if people still have that attitude about a female Doctor, we'll be right back here again. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 16:45:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 17:10:30 GMT
The Doctor was always a conservative aristocratic Englishman in the original series, the ultimate encapsulation of a British gentleman. NuWho perverted it enough without all of this shit going on. Now the Doctor is an unreliable protagonist; if he conforms to the trans stuff, he becomes unbelievable as a figure of any noble authority or sensibility. I literally can't trust this character anymore. Ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 18:02:44 GMT
I bet RTD was patting himself on the back for this dialogue. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 18:08:46 GMT
If The Twin Dilemma was "the beginning of the end" for the classic series according RTD, I really dread to think where we are with NuWho.
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Post by iank on Nov 29, 2023 21:16:06 GMT
The Doctor was always a conservative aristocratic Englishman in the original series, the ultimate encapsulation of a British gentleman. NuWho perverted it enough without all of this shit going on. Now the Doctor is an unreliable protagonist; if he conforms to the trans stuff, he becomes unbelievable as a figure of any noble authority or sensibility. I literally can't trust this character anymore. Ridiculous. Bingo. The Doctor was destroyed and replaced in episode 1 of New Who in 2005. Now the character is perverted still more this way and that depending on what cultural whims are floating around at any given moment - the exact opposite of what the character is and should be. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 21:20:07 GMT
Some friends of mine have said it has been a big hit on Disney and say that they think that the show will become so popular on there that will keep it going and that RTD has a plan to purposefully get rid of old fans so he can create a new fanbase on Disney.
What do you think? Do you think it will go on, via Disney? I can't see how. I don't think the Disney figures matter as much as those in the UK where it is still made.
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Post by iank on Nov 29, 2023 21:24:22 GMT
I heard it had done bugger all on Disney.
I don't GAF to be honest. It's over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 21:36:46 GMT
Some friends of mine have said it has been a big hit on Disney and say that they think that the show will become so popular on there that will keep it going and that RTD has a plan to purposefully get rid of old fans so he can create a new fanbase on Disney. What do you think? Do you think it will go on, via Disney? I can't see how. I don't think the Disney figures matter as much as those in the UK where it is still made. "RTD has a plan to purposefully get rid of old fans" Fine by me. See ya. |
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Post by iank on Nov 29, 2023 21:45:48 GMT
Wasn't that Chibnall's goal in 2017 too?
How'd that work out for you, Chris?
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 29, 2023 21:51:05 GMT
Wasn't that Chibnall's goal in 2017 too? How'd that work out for you, Chris? That's what I said to my friend. I also brought up that a lot of people felt that is what Death in Heaven was supposed to be, by turning the Master into a woman and the Brig into a Cyberman, Moff was making a statement about how we want the young, hip millennial fans to be the face of DW fandom (provided they don't criticise us LOL) and similarly we were being told that I Player figures means that the Capaldi era is a huge mainstream success, but again look how that turned out. Capaldi, Chibnall and possibly Jodie fired to save the show. (If Jodie wasn't fired then she would have been if she had stayed.) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 21:54:32 GMT
Some friends of mine have said it has been a big hit on Disney and say that they think that the show will become so popular on there that will keep it going and that RTD has a plan to purposefully get rid of old fans so he can create a new fanbase on Disney. What do you think? Do you think it will go on, via Disney? I can't see how. I don't think the Disney figures matter as much as those in the UK where it is still made. Can't say anything unless we see numbers, and considering how reticent Disney have been in the past about giving away audience figures, I highly doubt we'll get them. The only people I've seen really hyping this up are British teenagers around my age who grew up with David Tennant. Doctor Who just isn't a big-budget blockbuster franchise, and it never will be. They tried it with the Star Beast and it just doesn't work. The best way to attract new viewers is with intelligent writing; yes, you might have to forsake a big American TikTok crowd but they were never really gonna care in the first place. I knew it would be a disaster as soon as I heard the words "bigger, better" come up in the press. Give me smaller and more cerebral any day. |
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