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Post by rushy on Nov 2, 2023 20:39:09 GMT
I'm a real 60s snob when it comes to Classic Who. Aside from seasons 18, 25 and 26, nothing even comes close in my eyes.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 2, 2023 20:41:58 GMT
I'm a real 60s snob when it comes to Classic Who. Aside from seasons 18, 25 and 26, nothing even comes close in my eyes. Well there is an argument to be made that 60s who is the show at its most creative. As much as I love Pertwee, obviously he is limited by the earth format, and even Tom is limited by the gothic horror format. Hartnell's early years meanwhile didn't really have a format per say, apart from maybe the historicals, and it genuinely did feel like the Doctor could pop up anywhere. Season 18 is an odd one to pick though? Not season 7, 10, 13, or 14? I mean I do love the E-Space trilogy. State of Decay is up there with the most creative DW ever was, but the first two stories that year are more boring than my average post here, and Logopolis though having some wonderful ideas is very flawed. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 2, 2023 20:57:39 GMT
Season 18 is an odd one to pick though? Not season 7, 10, 13, or 14? I mean I do love the E-Space trilogy. State of Decay is up there with the most creative DW ever was, but the first two stories that year are more boring than my average post here, and Logopolis though having some wonderful ideas is very flawed. I love the atmosphere and the production design. Tom being aging and sullen in a world that he doesn't quite fit in anymore. There's a gravitas to him that I felt was very lacking during the Williams era. He just oozes age and wisdom like Gandalf. That, plus the way Bidmead ties together the narrative threads has a huge appeal to me. Season 7 is special, but it's so gritty that it's hard to get really comfortable with it. Not exactly my go-to. Season 10 is fun, but not very remarkable. Season 13 is slick and cinematic. But again, not the season with the most depth. Season 14 doesn't interest me at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 20:58:59 GMT
I'm a real 60s snob when it comes to Classic Who. Aside from seasons 18, 25 and 26, nothing even comes close in my eyes. Well there is an argument to be made that 60s who is the show at its most creative. As much as I love Pertwee, obviously he is limited by the earth format, and even Tom is limited by the gothic horror format. Hartnell's early years meanwhile didn't really have a format per say, apart from maybe the historicals, and it genuinely did feel like the Doctor could pop up anywhere. Season 18 is an odd one to pick though? Not season 7, 10, 13, or 14? I mean I do love the E-Space trilogy. State of Decay is up there with the most creative DW ever was, but the first two stories that year are more boring than my average post here, and Logopolis though having some wonderful ideas is very flawed. I actually feel Pertwee thrived in the earthbound environment. Honestly I wish they'd maintained the series 7 thing they had going a bit longer. His stories got progressively sloppier the more the TARDIS was able to go into space again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 21:00:02 GMT
Yeah I noticed there is a real 80s bent going on in here. I will say for the record that I enjoy Sylvester McCoy's seasons (yes, even 24), but most other 80s Who (and to an extent late 70s Who) completely sucks balls lol Well as we are on the fringes of DW fandom, it makes sense that 80s fanboys would come here. Still I think in spite of everything we have a fair amount of RTD fanboys here, with Rushy, Henshin, you, Zarius, Rani, and now it would seem Maxil LOL. We're not quite as anti New Who as people think. Remember even I enjoy its first seven seasons. I actually think Anoraks and Caprona are more anti New Who as I genuinely couldn't find any new who fans on either. (Apart from Zarius.) I'm not an RTD fanboy. I like some stuff from his era, but the vast majority of it is shite. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 2, 2023 21:00:14 GMT
They did ease up on the exile thing real quick. After season 8, he might as well have been free again for all the difference it made.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 21:02:18 GMT
Well as we are on the fringes of DW fandom, it makes sense that 80s fanboys would come here. Still I think in spite of everything we have a fair amount of RTD fanboys here, with Rushy, Henshin, you, Zarius, Rani, and now it would seem Maxil LOL. We're not quite as anti New Who as people think. Remember even I enjoy its first seven seasons. I actually think Anoraks and Caprona are more anti New Who as I genuinely couldn't find any new who fans on either. (Apart from Zarius.) I'm not an RTD fanboy. I like some stuff from his era, but the vast majority of it is shite. That constitutes an RTD fanboy round these parts |
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Post by iank on Nov 2, 2023 21:07:49 GMT
Smithy
Capaldi (sometimes)
The others largely suck balls.
I have some sympathy for Yak's anti-80s stance. More than I used to anyway. The Davison era in particular I find really hard to sit through these days (save a couple of stories). Boringly characterised Doctor, wooden as f*ck companions (it still does my head in that JNT thought it a good idea to replace Lalla and K9 with f*cking Tegan, Adric and Nyssa, f*ck me!), often dreary stories, very plastic, and a pandering-to-the-worst-kind-of-fanboy terror of anything resembling humour.
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Post by iank on Nov 2, 2023 21:10:40 GMT
Well there is an argument to be made that 60s who is the show at its most creative. As much as I love Pertwee, obviously he is limited by the earth format, and even Tom is limited by the gothic horror format. Hartnell's early years meanwhile didn't really have a format per say, apart from maybe the historicals, and it genuinely did feel like the Doctor could pop up anywhere. Season 18 is an odd one to pick though? Not season 7, 10, 13, or 14? I mean I do love the E-Space trilogy. State of Decay is up there with the most creative DW ever was, but the first two stories that year are more boring than my average post here, and Logopolis though having some wonderful ideas is very flawed. I actually feel Pertwee thrived in the earthbound environment. Honestly I wish they'd maintained the series 7 thing they had going a bit longer. His stories got progressively sloppier the more the TARDIS was able to go into space again. I agree. The only really good off-Earth Pertwee is Carnival of Monsters IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 21:16:03 GMT
There was plenty of good stuff in the 80s. The last two seasons are obviously better than the rest, but stories like State of Decay, Earthshock, Enlightenment, Five Doctors and Caves of Androzani are top tier who.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 21:17:16 GMT
I find it hard to really take the opinion that "80s who sucked balls" seriously from a self confessed Love and Monsters fan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 21:23:16 GMT
There was plenty of good stuff in the 80s. The last two seasons are obviously better than the rest, but stories like State of Decay, Earthshock, Enlightenment, Five Doctors and Caves of Androzani are top tier who. Earthshock is a 0 for me because it contains 80s Cybermen. And also yes I confess to enjoying Love and Monsters lmao, it's a weird quirk of mine, but I'm sure you have at least one favourite story that no one else likes. |
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Post by RobFilth on Nov 3, 2023 2:47:02 GMT
Similarly what do you think of the idea of De-regeneration as well? I don't mind it actually, it works a darn sight better than the idea of regenderation and doesn't f*ck the Time Lord canon up. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2023 9:07:09 GMT
I actually feel Pertwee thrived in the earthbound environment. Honestly I wish they'd maintained the series 7 thing they had going a bit longer. His stories got progressively sloppier the more the TARDIS was able to go into space again. I agree. The only really good off-Earth Pertwee is Carnival of Monsters IMO. WHAT you're all insane. Curse of Peladon, Frontier in Space, Planet of the Daleks, Death to the Daleks are all great. I'll give you Monster of Peladon, Colony in Space, and The Mutants all suck, but to be fair so do a few earth stories. Whilst the earthbound formula was an excellent idea that completely reinvigorated the show and gave it a grittier edge, ultimately it couldn't continue for much longer, simply because the formula is limited. As it is though it does serve as a nice way to break up the Doctors adventures in classic who. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2023 9:09:08 GMT
There was plenty of good stuff in the 80s. The last two seasons are obviously better than the rest, but stories like State of Decay, Earthshock, Enlightenment, Five Doctors and Caves of Androzani are top tier who. Earthshock is a 0 for me because it contains 80s Cybermen. And also yes I confess to enjoying Love and Monsters lmao, it's a weird quirk of mine, but I'm sure you have at least one favourite story that no one else likes. Well surprisingly, it seems to be Death to the Daleks for me. I don't know how that is as it's a great story full of imagination and cool ideas? How people rate a 6 episode snooze fest like Invasion fo the Dinosaurs, that manages to combine the worst of classic and new who (bad pacing, dreadful effects like old who, and preachy crap with a badly thought out plot designed to lecture the audience, and the Doctor actually lecturing as at the end.) I am honestly baffled? |
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