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Post by burrunjor on Oct 7, 2023 11:07:22 GMT
I know what you mean. Seeing that and just the relentless, obnoxiousness from fans on social media like Josh Snares and comments like "why do heterosexual people even watch DW." "There's no place for conservatives in DW." It honestly is enough to make you not want to bother with the show, because it really does come over as a little neo liberals only club now. Ah, I know which fans you mean: the sort who only know of Jon Pertwee via reference books and YouTube videos, and who would probably raise their eyebrows in befuddlement were you to say the names "Roger Delgado", "Terry Nation", "Waris Hussein", "Terrance Dicks", etc. to them. The sort who would probably cringe at Bill Hartnell episodes because "muh black and white, racist old man mememememe" and would probably ship Two and Jamie when they got to their episodes. The sort who wouldn't even watch Jodie's episodes because they were too shit but praised them idly from the sidelines nonetheless, only to cannibalise Chibnall and team (white men, ew) and excusing Jodie's poor portrayal because of it, essentially dressing the elephant in the room up as a wardrobe and trying to pass it off. The sort who literally, and I know this is overstated but we all know it's true, don't understand any of the characters, their histories or how they're supposed to be portrayed, not realising that constant subversion of the past does nothing but damage the dynamic of the show. The sort who dress like f*cking babies, have never worked a day in their life yet crave a communist revolution, have no understanding of the world, no moral framework, no sense of right and wrong, no purpose. That's the dominant force in fandom today. Give me misogynistic anorak-wearing geeks any day, not that I've ever even encountered one, but they must exist since they're talked about so much! Ironically, it's a lot like the plot of RTD's Army of Ghosts; these "toxic fans" are being willed into existence as an entirely imaginary malevolent force from which a throng of narcissistic chancers can essentially harvest sociopolitical power. Of course, the majority of this "sort" are simply useful idiots in the employ of a greater power, but there are a few in the know; I'd even argue guys like Chibnall and RTD are merely failed big boys left clutching the lower rungs of the ladder, made to dance for the spectacle of the public eye. This coming era will be no different. Panem et circenses, as they say. That's the irony. That cliche of sci fan fans are all saddos is one that I and others like Uncle Deadly feel was dreamed up by the elites to undermine sci fi because it was a genuinely left leaning genre in the past. Again BIG difference between something like the Daleks that makes a clever, original point about the horrors of race hatred, atomic war, and fascism whilst still telling a story that can be enjoyed in spite of that and can therefore reach more people and make them think, as opposed to having a paper thin story, that's entire purpose is to get us to a scene where the hero literally lectures the audience about Rosa Parks and even then does so in a shallow, laughable way like "Rosa Parks is great because Bill Clinton looked up to her and they named an asteroid after her." Things like The Prisoner, Star Trek TOS (when it was at its best.) All challenged the status quo and made people think about various things from the civil rights movement, to tribalism to discreet fascism, unlike f*cking Kerblam or Supergirl, that reinforced every shallow talking point of the elitist media to dupe people into thinking they were being left wing in supporting big companies attacking workers who go on strike like Jodie, or right wing, imperliastic, war mongering monster Hillary Clinton like Supergirl, because hey ho we have a female, trans hero and lesbian, black supporting characters leading both shows. The elites therefore not only finished sci fi in the UK in the late 80s, 90s. They also tried to make it so that liking it would be seen as an embarrassing thing. That might sound like a conspiracy theory, but look at John Lennon, They tried to deport him because of his activism. Now I love Lennon, and I DO think Working Class Hero is a brilliant political song. Still a lot of Lennon's political demonstrations where just shallow, celebrity virtue signalling, but because he DID offer up some genuine left wing talking points then that was enough for them to try and get rid of him for 5 years, and I might add his reputation has also taken a hit more than the other three Beatles in recent decades. All of his failing are exaggerated, whilst the others are never even commented on. Honestly I think the same thing happened to sci fi fandom, and it's sad that it bred a generation of self loathing sci fi fans who'd do anything to avoid being seen as nerds, that they ironically ended up selling the genre out to the elite, hence why it's now overrun by SJW crap. Ironically because of the SJWs it will never be truly left wing again. Put it this way, I very much doubt I'd see a DW story that is on the wavelength of someone like Jimmy Dore? James O'Brien YES, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iverson, Abby Martin? Fat chance. |
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 7, 2023 12:10:21 GMT
I don't think NuWho is remotely left wing.
It's pro-establishment, pro-corporate, mindless celebrity arselicking, Liberal identitarian dumbed down crap, whereby the working class are reduced to cheap moronic chav type caricatures.
Not even Dicks/Holmes/Hinchcliffes snobbish classism of turning the working class in to largely monster cannon-fodder and portraying them as lazy skivers, bums, frauds, petty crooks, bank robbers, poachers or con men was as bad.
NuWho is not in the slightest bit left wing, or appealing to left wing intelligentsia.
Its Right Wing Pro-Establishmental Liberal Identitarianism, and pretty tabloidesque with it too.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 7, 2023 13:29:12 GMT
I don't think NuWho is remotely left wing. It's pro-establishment, pro-corporate, mindless celebrity arselicking, Liberal identitarian dumbed down crap, whereby the working class are reduced to cheap moronic chav type caricatures. Not even Dicks/Holmes/Hinchcliffes snobbish classism of turning the working class in to largely monster cannon-fodder and portraying them as lazy skivers, bums, frauds, petty crooks, bank robbers, poachers or con men was as bad. NuWho is not in the slightest bit left wing, or appealing to left wing intelligentsia. Its Right Wing Pro-Establishmental Liberal Identitarianism, and pretty tabloidesque with it too. That's pretty much what I said in the post above. Chibnall is as establishment as it gets. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 7, 2023 16:08:20 GMT
(god I must be pissing off Rushy LOL. He can do a post saying Amy Winehouse and Katey Sagal suck in response LOL Who? |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 7, 2023 16:31:48 GMT
(god I must be pissing off Rushy LOL. He can do a post saying Amy Winehouse and Katey Sagal suck in response LOL Who? I will say though it's a bit or an irony you used Blake's 7 for your come back, as you know what Amy Winehouse's most important two boyfriends were called? Blake and Travis. LMAO, in that case though Blake was the bad guy and Travis was the good guy. All kidding aside I don't know what it is you like so much about Abrams? His Trek trilogy was awful. A lot of people here say it was on a par with New Who, but that's extremely unfair to the first 7 seasons of New Who in my opinion. (And unfair to Abrams Trek when you compare it to the Capaldi and Whittaker eras to be fair.) Literally the only good thing about the Abrams films was Karl Urban who gave a faithful, but still distinct version of McCoy. Everything else from the casting to the scripts was awful. I will admit though that the absolute worst one was the third entry in the series which I believe Simon Pegg directed? I know he wrote it. It's funny because everybody hates Phoebe Waller Bridge, but I think she and Simon Pegg are kind of similar. Both did good sitcoms (though I've never seen Fleabag and it's probably not my thing, but I hear it is great for what it is.) However both then became the flavor of the month, went to Hollywood and both were then put in control of big sci fi, adventure franchises which is ridiculous. Why would you assume a comedy writer would be able to write a good sci fi story? I'm not saying they couldn't obviously, you can be skilled in both, and some people have been able to merge both, like Douglas Adams. Same way you can get good singers who can also play guitar, but guitar playing and singing are still two different skills, and so are writing a sci fi adventure and a comedy or even a pastiche like Shaun of the Dead. Sadly however the shallow flavor of the month mentality meant that they were put in charge of big franchises, and both did an absolutely piss poor job with it. The Simon Pegg Star Trek movie honestly put me to sleep it was so shit. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 7, 2023 20:29:30 GMT
All kidding aside I don't know what it is you like so much about Abrams? His Trek trilogy was awful. 1) He was a co-creator on Lost, which is second only to Blake's 7 as my favourite television show ever and is right up there with The Sopranos as a game-changer in television history. It's true that he wasn't there for most of its run, but he still directed and co-wrote the feature-length pilot (which is so cinematic and beautiful that it could easily be a standalone theatrical release today and no one would complain). He also conceived of the Hatch storyline, which is arguably the show's most popular. 2) Aside from Into Darkness, I've never disliked any of his films I've seen. I was very happy with both Trek 2009 and The Force Awakens at the time (and when it comes to the former, so was Leonard Nimoy, a man who understands Star Trek possibly the best out of anyone). Were they the most intelligent films ever written? No. But they were big on heart and still thrill me to this day. I would happily put Trek 2009 alongside the likes of The Voyage Home. Meanwhile, The Rise of Skywalker is at least one of the most entertainingly daft films I've seen. It's fast-paced, it's silly, there's something charmingly ridiculous around every corner. It's eons ahead of the pretentious tripe we had to endure with The Last Jedi. 3) I have yet to hear from anyone who speaks badly about Abrams IRL. Pretty much everyone agree he's terrific to work with, and takes people's ideas into account. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 0:59:53 GMT
The one thing I crave from these specials, and to a larger extent the coming era of Who, is a return to the times when not everything had to be so *heavy*. All I truly want from Doctor Who is an hour of mindless fun during which I can turn off my brain, have some "me" time, and then mostly forget about it until next week. I don't need this show to be a philosophical heavyweight, I don't need it to be a champion of sociopolitical issues. I just want escapist sci-fi fun, with a dash of social commentary of course but not enough to make rabid pundits of regular fans. Just enough to pique the slightest curiosity and to make viewers ponder for a bit after the episode ends. The rest of the time? Daleks and Cybermen shooting lasers, maniacal villains and good-hearted adventure stories please.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 8, 2023 9:27:21 GMT
The one thing I crave from these specials, and to a larger extent the coming era of Who, is a return to the times when not everything had to be so *heavy*. All I truly want from Doctor Who is an hour of mindless fun during which I can turn off my brain, have some "me" time, and then mostly forget about it until next week. I don't need this show to be a philosophical heavyweight, I don't need it to be a champion of sociopolitical issues. I just want escapist sci-fi fun, with a dash of social commentary of course but not enough to make rabid pundits of regular fans. Just enough to pique the slightest curiosity and to make viewers ponder for a bit after the episode ends. The rest of the time? Daleks and Cybermen shooting lasers, maniacal villains and good-hearted adventure stories please. You're not welcome here! How dare you expect a show about a man living in a magic box fighting monsters from outer space, who wears Victorian frock coats, not to completely reflect the world around us today. Get the f*ck out of MY fandom, or else I'll spread lies that you are a sexual abuser, make jokes about your pet dying, tell you to kill yourself frequently, wish death upon you and dox you. People like you are in danger of making my fandom look unkeeewwwwwllll and people might think I'm not getting laid if you're a part of it which I so totally am. Like every night, even though I'm a feminist, it's important to me that a man get the bitches every night. Last thing I want is for people to think I'm not like that. A failed comedian like Paul Merton said that single men who like sci fi were the worst thing you could be on some crappy panel show that is completely forgotten about in the 90s, so that must dictate everything we think from now in regards to DW. We in the Who fandom value kindness just like our savior and lord the Doctor, who never used weapons, was never awkward or unpleasant, was always a beacon of love and kindness and they would be ashamed of you, you revolting, disgusting, ugly, manbaby who probably has a tiny dick. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Oct 8, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
The one thing I crave from these specials, and to a larger extent the coming era of Who, is a return to the times when not everything had to be so *heavy*. All I truly want from Doctor Who is an hour of mindless fun during which I can turn off my brain, have some "me" time, and then mostly forget about it until next week. I don't need this show to be a philosophical heavyweight, I don't need it to be a champion of sociopolitical issues. I just want escapist sci-fi fun, with a dash of social commentary of course but not enough to make rabid pundits of regular fans. Just enough to pique the slightest curiosity and to make viewers ponder for a bit after the episode ends. The rest of the time? Daleks and Cybermen shooting lasers, maniacal villains and good-hearted adventure stories please. You're not welcome here! How dare you expect a show about a man living in a magic box fighting monsters from outer space, who wears Victorian frock coats, not to completely reflect the world around us today. Get the f*ck out of MY fandom, or else I'll spread lies that you are a sexual abuser, make jokes about your pet dying, tell you to kill yourself frequently, wish death upon you and dox you. People like you are in danger of making my fandom look unkeeewwwwwllll and people might think I'm not getting laid if you're a part of it which I so totally am. Like every night, even though I'm a feminist, it's important to me that a man get the bitches every night. Last thing I want is for people to think I'm not like that. A failed comedian like Paul Merton said that single men who like sci fi were the worst thing you could be on some crappy panel show that is completely forgotten about in the 90s, so that must dictate everything we think from now in regards to DW. We in the Who fandom value kindness just like our savior and lord the Doctor, who never used weapons, was never awkward or unpleasant, was always a beacon of love and kindness and they would be ashamed of you, you revolting, disgusting, ugly, manbaby who probably has a tiny dick. No they won't your unkeeewwwllll mate, they will think you a boring prate who's desperate for attention. A face in a sea of other boring people, indistinctive from one another as they case after the next little fad that might just elevate them from mediocrity. God f*cking forbid you take pride in your individuality or your own hobbies regardless of what the majority think. |
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Post by zarius on Oct 12, 2023 7:49:20 GMT
Russel confirms in Doctor Who Magazine that they filmed an additional special across six days in the studio around late September.
Could be something for Children In Need, could be something for CBBC or an online minisode like Night of the Doctor was.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 12, 2023 21:24:13 GMT
RTD has confirmed he is staying on for four years.
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Post by rushy on Oct 12, 2023 21:43:21 GMT
RTD has confirmed he is staying on for four years. probably 3 seasons then, spanning Ncuti's run unless he intends to stay longer |
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Post by iank on Oct 12, 2023 21:46:21 GMT
God help us all.
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Post by rushy on Oct 12, 2023 21:49:51 GMT
The Secret Books of Saxon shall be unveiled and a new End of Time will be upon us all!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 12, 2023 21:54:05 GMT
The Secret Books of Saxon shall be unveiled and a new End of Time will be upon us all! M-meat, meat, meat and graaaaaavvvvyyyyy. |
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