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Post by burrunjor on Oct 26, 2023 22:54:42 GMT
You guys are far more generous than me, then again you weren't in love with Amy Winehouse as a teenager so you don't have the a blood feud with one of the actors LOL. All that stuff aside I can't be bothered though for the following reasons. 1/ I am not about to forget the Timeless Children, Jodie, Ruth, President of earth Doctor, Missy, Cyber brig etc. I will not follow a version that has those things as canon. Those are not despite the bullshit the BBC pushes, the same as finding out his people are called Time Lords, and it's not something I'll ever just accept when enough time passes like people did the Time Lords. I find that excuse and attitude from people like Nick Briggs incredibly offensive, as they are essentially saying I'm a moron who got annoyed over nothing and just doesn't get the show like them. The character and show are broken and only an alternate sequel interests me now. I'm not someone who will watch something just because it is called DW. No offence, but I don't understand that mentality. I wouldn't keep watching Buffy if she was suddenly a magic pixie from mars as that's not Buffy even if it is still called Buffy. To me that's not liking a show, it's supporting a football team. 2/ This 100 percent will be an RTD circle jerk. The guys ego is out of control more than ever before. Look at what he has planned for Ncuti and tell me I'm wrong. Like I said, I remember people saying that Tennant was only going to be in a few bits that had been filmed outside, there's no way he was the new Doctor, and Matt will probably be in it just as much. I doubt Matt Smith will even be in this and we know Capaldi and Eccelston never will. (They hate the BBC more than I hate NPH.) Meanwhile the classic Doctors I doubt will be in it at all, as the Power of the Doctor was their bit. 3/ Why is everyone so crazy about Beep the Meep? It's a joke, gag villain? Also it's voiced by Miriam Margolyes. She is basically the female version of Brian Blessed at this stage. Both were once actually good actors, but both had a gimmick they'd use now and again that became their whole identity. His was SHOUTING and hers was saying swear words and naughty words in a posh voice. That's all they ever do now, and I doubt that her performance in this will be much better than Brian Blessed's was in DW with that in mind. (To be fair his was absolutely f*cking hysterical for the wrong reasons.  ) 4/ They fired Ingrid Oliver! They got rid of one of the few characters people like and f*cked over one of my favourite actresses. Honestly hiring the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater and firing Ingrid. It's like they want to f*ck me off. 5/ I tolerated Tennant before as he is a good actor and nice guy, so even though his version isn't my ideal Doctor I was willing to watch him. However I don't think anyone should come back full time as a new incarnation. It destroys the whole f*cking point of it and cheapens each incarnation. New Who has managed AGAIN to get it the wrong way round. On the one hand they make each incarnation too distinct with bullshit like a female Doctor, and making out each one dies and isn't the same man, yet at the same time they make each one less unique by having the same guy play 4 f*cking Doctors. 6/ I am exceptionally bitter at all the member berries and old faces returning as this fandom abused me for not being able to accept change unlike the Fitzroy Clique. I might choke on my own bitterness seeing these same people squeeeee over a recreation of 2008 in every conceivable way. All of this again is before Neil Patrick Harris and his corpse cake (which again is being overlooked by a fandom that launched seriously personal and vicious abuse against me, and others like Bowlestrek, Ian Levine, James Dreyfus for not being PC enough.) As far as I'm concerned they can stick it up their arses all of them. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 26, 2023 23:29:09 GMT
I'm still confused about the Ingrid Oliver thing lol. How do you fire someone who's not on the payroll? She's barely even a recurring character lol. Three appearances is all she had, as a UNIT scientist. Eight years ago. The fact that she appears in audios is fan service in of itself. If Kate wasn't tied to an iconic character, she'd be gone too.
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Post by iank on Oct 27, 2023 0:15:20 GMT
For me, I don't regard New Who as the same program as classic anymore anyway - it's a reboot/spinoff/fanfic and allround separate entity to me. So really, unless they shove Jodie or any of that bollocks in my face (which they won't as they're desperate for everyone to forget it) I don't really GAF.
Will it be watchable and fun in a vaguely Whoish manner? Truth is I rarely rewatch New Who these days anymore anyway so most likely it will be a watch once and we're done thing even if it's okay.
I think Beep is just fun for people who enjoy seeing a tie-in with the comics, and it's a fun silly idea.
I'm afraid I'm with Maxil on this - I am long past anger and just want to see something fun and hopefully vaguely Wholike in a pop culture that seems to have outlawed fun these days. If it (or Ncuti) is shit I won't be sticking around. It's not a big deal either way anymore.
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Post by Monster X on Oct 27, 2023 5:39:09 GMT
You guys are far more generous than me, then again you weren't in love with Amy Winehouse as a teenager so you don't have the a blood feud with one of the actors LOL. All that stuff aside I can't be bothered though for the following reasons. 1/ I am not about to forget the Timeless Children, Jodie, Ruth, President of earth Doctor, Missy, Cyber brig etc. I will not follow a version that has those things as canon. Those are not despite the bullshit the BBC pushes, the same as finding out his people are called Time Lords, and it's not something I'll ever just accept when enough time passes like people did the Time Lords. I find that excuse and attitude from people like Nick Briggs incredibly offensive, as they are essentially saying I'm a moron who got annoyed over nothing and just doesn't get the show like them. The character and show are broken and only an alternate sequel interests me now. I'm not someone who will watch something just because it is called DW. No offence, but I don't understand that mentality. I wouldn't keep watching Buffy if she was suddenly a magic pixie from mars as that's not Buffy even if it is still called Buffy. To me that's not liking a show, it's supporting a football team. 2/ This 100 percent will be an RTD circle jerk. The guys ego is out of control more than ever before. Look at what he has planned for Ncuti and tell me I'm wrong. Like I said, I remember people saying that Tennant was only going to be in a few bits that had been filmed outside, there's no way he was the new Doctor, and Matt will probably be in it just as much. I doubt Matt Smith will even be in this and we know Capaldi and Eccelston never will. (They hate the BBC more than I hate NPH.) Meanwhile the classic Doctors I doubt will be in it at all, as the Power of the Doctor was their bit. 3/ Why is everyone so crazy about Beep the Meep? It's a joke, gag villain? Also it's voiced by Miriam Margolyes. She is basically the female version of Brian Blessed at this stage. Both were once actually good actors, but both had a gimmick they'd use now and again that became their whole identity. His was SHOUTING and hers was saying swear words and naughty words in a posh voice. That's all they ever do now, and I doubt that her performance in this will be much better than Brian Blessed's was in DW with that in mind. (To be fair his was absolutely f*cking hysterical for the wrong reasons. ) 4/ They fired Ingrid Oliver! They got rid of one of the few characters people like and f*cked over one of my favourite actresses. Honestly hiring the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater and firing Ingrid. It's like they want to f*ck me off. 5/ I tolerated Tennant before as he is a good actor and nice guy, so even though his version isn't my ideal Doctor I was willing to watch him. However I don't think anyone should come back full time as a new incarnation. It destroys the whole f*cking point of it and cheapens each incarnation. New Who has managed AGAIN to get it the wrong way round. On the one hand they make each incarnation too distinct with bullshit like a female Doctor, and making out each one dies and isn't the same man, yet at the same time they make each one less unique by having the same guy play 4 f*cking Doctors. 6/ I am exceptionally bitter at all the member berries and old faces returning as this fandom abused me for not being able to accept change unlike the Fitzroy Clique. I might choke on my own bitterness seeing these same people squeeeee over a recreation of 2008 in every conceivable way. All of this again is before Neil Patrick Harris and his corpse cake (which again is being overlooked by a fandom that launched seriously personal and vicious abuse against me, and others like Bowlestrek, Ian Levine, James Dreyfus for not being PC enough.) As far as I'm concerned they can stick it up their arses all of them.
I can't speak for anyone else here but my interest in BTM is simply because he's a British comic book character from the late '70s, created by three comics professionals who I greatly admire; writers Pat Mills, John Wagner and artist Dave Gibbons. Plus, The Meep is from the Tom Baker period ( well, the comic strips) - it's something from the Classic era of Who, as opposed to Tennant and Tate of the rebooted series, and therefore a good enough reason to watch this bloody Anniversary episode. The Meep is a jokey villain, true, but I'm a big fan of 2000AD (and British comics in general) and if you squint hard enough, the Beep could almost be a character from an early Judge Dredd or Strontium Dog story. I realize this is only relevant if you're particularly fond of those vintage Dredd/Strontium Dog adventures, otherwise my argument is meaningless. I don't really care who voices BTM - regardless of how they depict the Meep on screen, or whose voice they use, to me, he will always remain a beloved comic strip character from the good old Doctor Who Weekly. Silly, nostalgic fun. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 8:45:51 GMT
I'm still confused about the Ingrid Oliver thing lol. How do you fire someone who's not on the payroll? She's barely even a recurring character lol. Three appearances is all she had, as a UNIT scientist. Eight years ago. The fact that she appears in audios is fan service in of itself. If Kate wasn't tied to an iconic character, she'd be gone too. We've been over this. Her character in universe has been replaced by a new person. Big difference between not using her anymore, or even doing a UNIT story where there are just UNIT mooks. This is actively ensuring that she won't be back as now her role is taken by someone else. It also comes on the brink of a supposed UNIT spin off. It's what RTD does all the time to things and characters he doesn't like. He's a petty dick who either insults them, or kicks them to the curb simply because he doesn't like them. He doesn't act like a professional at all and thinks even if he doesn't like this character he'll either try and do something new and interesting with them, or at least give them a decent send off or maybe not write every single episode, so that a writer who likes them can do something with them? He despised UNIT from the classic era, as he claims he's so left wing he doesn't like any positive depiction of the military. Even a fictional military that hunts monsters! Again he sounds more like Rik here. Anyway that was why UNIT's role was largely taken by Torchwood and why when they did turn up UNIT are portrayed as fascists who abduct women in Torchwood. He also is a Dalek fanboy and thinks the Cybermen were second rate villains, so when they met he has 4 Daleks kill 5 million Cybermen. He hates the Time Lords and so he not only kills them off, but turns them into villains as well who want to blow up every universe. He hates Adric, so he creates an entire character in season 1 to be an Adric expy, just so he can humiliate him, and have him get kicked out of the TARDIS, even though doing that is completely out of character for the Doctor and actually makes him look irresponsible by leaving a piece of future tech stuck in a guys head to the point where he will be dissected and history changed. This is just an another example of that. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 8:47:10 GMT
For me, I don't regard New Who as the same program as classic anymore anyway - it's a reboot/spinoff/fanfic and allround separate entity to me. So really, unless they shove Jodie or any of that bollocks in my face (which they won't as they're desperate for everyone to forget it) I don't really GAF. Will it be watchable and fun in a vaguely Whoish manner? Truth is I rarely rewatch New Who these days anymore anyway so most likely it will be a watch once and we're done thing even if it's okay. I think Beep is just fun for people who enjoy seeing a tie-in with the comics, and it's a fun silly idea. I'm afraid I'm with Maxil on this - I am long past anger and just want to see something fun and hopefully vaguely Wholike in a pop culture that seems to have outlawed fun these days. If it (or Ncuti) is shit I won't be sticking around. It's not a big deal either way anymore. Sorry but imo that's how they get away with it. This isn't just an unfaithful remake which I wouldn't give a shit about. This is actively trying to rewrite the entire history of the original. Like I said before you'll never be able to watch or read anything about the original, without the revival poking its head in, like that docu on Terror of the Autons about the Master that was about 10 mins Roger, 50 mins John Simm. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 9:16:10 GMT
4/ They fired Ingrid Oliver! They got rid of one of the few characters people like and f*cked over one of my favourite actresses. Honestly hiring the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater and firing Ingrid. It's like they want to f*ck me off. I broadly agree with you but you need to stop going on about Ingrid Oliver. She was a minor character in 2 episodes who hasn't appeared for basically a decade. I don't see why that constitutes "firing" her. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 9:21:03 GMT
4/ They fired Ingrid Oliver! They got rid of one of the few characters people like and f*cked over one of my favourite actresses. Honestly hiring the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater and firing Ingrid. It's like they want to f*ck me off. I broadly agree with you but you need to stop going on about Ingrid Oliver. She was a minor character in 2 episodes who hasn't appeared for basically a decade. I don't see why that constitutes "firing" her. Well that was only part of it. I still think it's mean to give everyone a role in the UNIT spin off but her. The spin off is from sources that confirmed other things that turned out to be true, Kate, the new babe in the wheelchair who has taken Osgood's place. (Don't worry I won't do a Katie Waissel and attack her LOL.) Mel, and Freema Agyeman. Basically everyone who has been a prominent UNIT character in the past few years who wasn't killed off except Osgood is getting a leading gig in the show. That is firing her. She is replaced for good. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 9:25:02 GMT
I broadly agree with you but you need to stop going on about Ingrid Oliver. She was a minor character in 2 episodes who hasn't appeared for basically a decade. I don't see why that constitutes "firing" her. Well that was only part of it. I still think it's mean to give everyone a role in the UNIT spin off but her. The spin off is from sources that confirmed other things that turned out to be true, Kate, the new babe in the wheelchair who has taken Osgood's place. (Don't worry I won't do a Katie Waissel and attack her LOL.) Mel, and Freema Agyeman. Basically everyone who has been a prominent UNIT character in the past few years who wasn't killed off except Osgood is getting a leading gig in the show. That is firing her. She is replaced for good. Maybe that's true but it's still just a rumour. Maybe Ingrid isn't interested? Other commitments? No point speculating now because this show is at least several years away from production, let alone release, and that's if it even exists at all. I don't see why RTD would make this show at all, he's a savvy man who knows what the people want, broadly. They've been trying to make "Kate Stewart" a thing for over a decade now, and no one's having it. There's just no interest. That alone debunks these rumours for me.* *Just to clarify, I think Jemma Redgrave plays the role well. I was referring to the staying power and general public impact of the character, not the actress. She's a decent character but not nearly the fan-favourite juggernaut the BBC thinks her to be. The biggest lesson from this is that you can't contrive interest where there is none. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 9:57:26 GMT
Well that was only part of it. I still think it's mean to give everyone a role in the UNIT spin off but her. The spin off is from sources that confirmed other things that turned out to be true, Kate, the new babe in the wheelchair who has taken Osgood's place. (Don't worry I won't do a Katie Waissel and attack her LOL.) Mel, and Freema Agyeman. Basically everyone who has been a prominent UNIT character in the past few years who wasn't killed off except Osgood is getting a leading gig in the show. That is firing her. She is replaced for good. Maybe that's true but it's still just a rumour. Maybe Ingrid isn't interested? Other commitments? No point speculating now because this show is at least several years away from production, let alone release, and that's if it even exists at all. I don't see why RTD would make this show at all, he's a savvy man who knows what the people want, broadly. They've been trying to make "Kate Stewart" a thing for over a decade now, and no one's having it. There's just no interest. That alone debunks these rumours for me.* *Just to clarify, I think Jemma Redgrave plays the role well. I was referring to the staying power and general public impact of the character, not the actress. She's a decent character but not nearly the fan-favourite juggernaut the BBC thinks her to be. The biggest lesson from this is that you can't contrive interest where there is none. A UNIT spin off is possible because the organisation is a recognizable part of the brand regardless of Kate, Martha is popular, RTD wants spin offs, but he can't go back to Torchwood because of John's tendency to get little John out. (Plus Barrowman has insulted the BBC for stabbing him in the back and the fandom too.) Mel wouldn't be popular or strong enough to carry a spin off on her own. Ace, Jo and Tegan are too niche to mainstream audiences for a spin off (as there is a much greater distance between Jo's heyday in the show and now, than there was between Sarah's and the 00s. Also even then they had to bring Sarah back in the main show, and there are currently no signs that Jo or Ace will be back that way, at least not according to Sophie herself in an interview.) The Daleks and the Cybermen meanwhile if given a spin off would be diminished in the actual show itself. UNIT are the best bet for a recognizable spin off. Then there is the fact that they are introducing a new Marvelesque/Shield head quarters for UNIT and a new character in the 60th, plus Jemma Redgrave has talked about it too. Of course if Osgood is in it I'll eat my words. (I'll get alphabet spaghetti and make it spell my words LOL.) Still the person who leaked the rumor said don't expect to see her anytime soon for the next decade or so and that RTD wasn't a fan of her at all. Even though the new red haired babe will be doing pretty much the same role as Ingrid, mousey, cute red haired science sidekick to Kate. Meanwhile I doubt Ingrid would turn it down given the amount of audios she's in and how much she loves the show. (BTW her time in the audios could be compromised too as I can easily see Big Finish wanting to cash in on the 60th and thinking, well get the red haired babe, who is already an actress of there's in to replace Ingrid as she'll now be more recognizable. Basically Osgood is now consigned to being like Kristy Swanson's Buffy. The one who was in a tiny bit of it before they got the show.) Again everyone who was anyone in UNIT in the modern era, provided they weren't killed, or caught up in controversy like Noel Clarke is coming back except for her, because RTD doesn't like her. It would be like me doing a UNIT spin off in the 80s and having the Brig, Yates, and Jo, but saying to Benton "nah piss off I don't like you, here's the new guy who'll basically do exactly the same thing, except he won't be you." That's fair to say she was fired and be pissed if you like the actress I think. Plus it was only one of my complaints that everybody is focused on. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 10:04:30 GMT
Wonder why RTD supposedly hates her. Maybe because she's a positive depiction of a DW fan rather than the Levine caricature we saw in Love and Monsters?
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 10:14:38 GMT
Wonder why RTD supposedly hates her. Maybe because she's a positive depiction of a DW fan rather than the Levine caricature we saw in Love and Monsters? What's even more weird is that he basically did a proto Osgood with Lee Evans character remember (who also to be fair isn't coming back, but Lee Evans has retired and he was never a fan favorite.) To be honest I think it's because as Rushy says he just wants to put his own mark on it. Kate is too big a deal to cancel, even though she isn't anywhere near as popular as Osgood, the fact that she's a legacy character gives her protection. Still that doesn't excuse him as you should be a professional about this and remember that it is also people's careers you're messing with. |
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Post by zarius on Oct 27, 2023 11:03:00 GMT
The SFX magazine newsletter has informed subscribers that they won't receive their advance copy of November's issue this week due to a press embargo, they will have to wait until Wednesday when the magazine is released to the public.
The magazine will have a 28 page feature on the 60th anniversary specials
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2023 11:15:11 GMT
The SFX magazine newsletter has informed subscribers that they won't receive their advance copy of November's issue this week due to a press embargo, they will have to wait until Wednesday when the magazine is released to the public. The magazine will have a 28 page feature on the 60th anniversary specials 28 page feature! I'll give it to RTD he knows how to promote his work. Even I'm tempted to get that. I probably will actually as I don't mind SFX. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 11:27:19 GMT
At the moment, here are all the old stuff in the upcoming specials (or at least the ones I've noticed)
Toymaker (Celestial Toymaker)
Mel (JNT Who)
Donna and her family (Series 4)
Beep the Meep (The Star Beast)
Tennant (Series 2-4)
A character called Rose Tyler
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