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Post by iank on May 23, 2024 21:43:54 GMT
lol I remember Penny. She seemed okay at first but boy was she biased against men. I still remember her trying to paint Rory as a passive aggressive abuser! Bitch was crazy.  I'm not entirely sure what medicusitic is trying to say. I for one am not "sticking around" the show. I noped out in 2017 and there's only this forum and Caprona (which is not exclusively Who) I even bother with anymore. I am under no illusion that Who is coming back anytime soon. It is however now at least fun to watch this shite collapsing and these buffoons be publically humiliated, and I do want to see it axed. I also agree that real Who ended in 1989... |
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Post by burrunjor on May 23, 2024 21:55:59 GMT
lol I remember Penny. She seemed okay at first but boy was she biased against men. I still remember her trying to paint Rory as a passive aggressive abuser! Bitch was crazy. I'm not entirely sure what medicusitic is trying to say. I for one am not "sticking around" the show. I noped out in 2017 and there's only this forum and Caprona (which is not exclusively Who) I even bother with anymore. I am under no illusion that Who is coming back anytime soon. It is however now at least fun to watch this shite collapsing and these buffoons be publically humiliated, and I do want to see it axed. I also agree that real Who ended in 1989... Honestly I put all the forum feud crap behind me a long time ago and made peace with pretty much everyone involved like Lady and Mike and even admit that I was a bit full on in some of my opinions (for instance I cringe at having ever shared anything by PJW) but looking back on it Penny was just a total bitch. She would constantly no matter what the subject just attack me, and again it was always on the grounds that I was a misogynistic homophobe. Even when I was joking like when I was making fun of the B7 episode Power for having a "lesbian feminist bitch" as the villain, she took that out of context and said I hated lesbians? I even tried to be polite and see things from her perspective, but it was always just coming down on me no matter what. I think her comments about "I just can't stand any form of entertainment with women as leads" aged about as well as RTD's legacy LOL. Sophie Aldred clearly didn't think my writing was misogynistic. (PS was she a fan of the McCoy era? I so hope she was so that can stick in her craw haha. Was Adam a fan of the McCoy era too? Please tell me he was.) Anyway I agree that there is an element of gloating in watching it fall apart now. I feel a bit ashamed, but given the absolute abuse I've got from new who toadies and even just arseholes like Penny for years for simply pointing out things that have driven the show into the ground before most people did, yeah I can't help but have a twinge of I told you so. I'll also say that even this forum apart from the last few weeks I mostly use to talk about other things than DW. I still think this forum should maybe be rebranded as a general discussion form, like a sci fi one or something. Might bring in more people? |
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Post by iank on May 23, 2024 22:01:12 GMT
I would be fine with that. The other forum I'm on is 80stv which as the title suggests is 80stv focused but also deals with movies and other decades. Who's in there but only one member even still watches it lol
I'd be fine with us just being more cult-movies-tv-focused.
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 23, 2024 22:01:45 GMT
I’d like to add that- contrary to the idea that he “foresaw” it and tried to prevent it- Grade himself likes NuWho.
His own words:
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Post by iank on May 23, 2024 22:03:42 GMT
That was like 20 years ago though wasn't it. I wonder if he still thinks this degenerate drivel is awesome (ironic given the story about him wanting to get rid of JNT because of his dislike for the "gay mafia" in the BBC!).
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 22:05:43 GMT
I’d like to add that- contrary to the idea that he “foresaw” it and tried to prevent it- Grade himself likes NuWho. His own words: He's absolutely right. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 23, 2024 22:06:11 GMT
That was like 20 years ago though wasn't it. Yes, but I was mainly referring to the idea (posed by Medicusitic, or “Med”) that Grade canned Doctor Who because he foresaw the “oncoming storm”. Whether he’s changed his mind now is beyond me. Mind you, whether he think it’s crap now or not doesn’t alter the fact that his character is sorely lacking… |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 23, 2024 22:58:24 GMT
I’d like to add that- contrary to the idea that he “foresaw” it and tried to prevent it- Grade himself likes NuWho. His own words: He's absolutely right. BBC controller berates British TV show for not looking like an American motion picture. Yeah... next, please. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 23, 2024 23:04:06 GMT
BBC controller berates British TV show for not looking like an American motion picture. Yeah... next, please. Given that he deliberately slashed the programme’s budget after the hiatus, he’s one to talk. |
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Post by iank on May 23, 2024 23:43:02 GMT
lol Yeah I remember the dork Grade saying Who needed Robin of Sherwood production values. It's like, yeah, ROS actually bankrupted their production company because it was so expensive, and ooh who exactly was in charge of Who's budget? Oh the twat running the Beeb.
What a complete twonk.
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Post by Ludders II on May 24, 2024 7:32:26 GMT
Sorry but that is a ridiculous post. I thought it was common knowledge that we found out eventually that Penny was actually a man posing as a female poster. Anyway, I agree with Burun. |
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Post by iank on May 24, 2024 7:37:57 GMT
Seriously?!
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Post by burrunjor on May 24, 2024 7:45:13 GMT
I’d like to add that- contrary to the idea that he “foresaw” it and tried to prevent it- Grade himself likes NuWho. His own words: He's absolutely right. Honestly he isn't. Yes the Davison era had absolutely atrocious production values in some stories, though some great ones in others like Earthshock and the Five Doctors. By the McCoy era however the production values weren't a problem. They were at least on a par with a show like Buffy/Angel in terms of the planets, the make up for the creatures and monsters and I'd say above those of shows like Supernatural, Arrowverse, Xena and Charmed all of which were made ten or twenty years later. As Maxil pointed out, they only start to fall short when you compare them to big budget films, but that's not fair. For a tv show the McCoy era still looks better than most low budget genre shows on tv. Meanwhile there are plenty of effects in New Who that are far more ropey than those in the McCoy era. The cat people look worse in my opinion, or at the very least don't look any better than the Cheetah people. (I think the Cheetah people were more successful because their masks were more fearsome, and less cute. Also the direction like when it's chasing Ace on horseback and there's the creepy music really makes it seem tense. The Cat people meanwhile seem cute and silly.) The Dalek flying and the dalek battles in Remembrance were also much better done than the Dalek flying in Dalek and the bulk of Dalek fights in any new who story. To start with Remembrance uses actual Dalek props, whilst New Who was all CGI. I know which one looks better. Meanwhile the direction in New Who or the Dalek battles was often quite shoddy and you couldn't always see what was going on like in Doomsday, or it would go full CGI, whilst Remembrance again actually blew up real Dalek props. The only Dalek scene I think is as effective in terms of direction and making them seem big and imposing in series 1 is Lynda with a Y's death. Also the planet in Survival has a lot more creative and unique design than any of the few worlds or generic space stations in the RTD era. The shot of the Cheetah people fading away into the flamees is so much more striking than any generic shot of drab and dreary corridors in Parting of the Ways, whilst again other monsters like the Carrionites, the Flood, don't look any better than the Heamovores, Light, the Gods of Ragnarok etc. The only two times I'd say new who's improved budget is evident over the McCoy era are the Beast being a gigantic monster and their werewolf obviously looking like a cool CGI beast rather than a woman with fangs and funny eyes. At the same time however the Slitheen and the Bee monster look far worse than anything in the McCoy era. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 24, 2024 7:57:05 GMT
Sorry but that is a ridiculous post. I thought it was common knowledge that we found out eventually that Penny was actually a man posing as a female poster. Anyway, I agree with Burun. I'm pretty sure you're getting mixed up with Be Kind. That was a hilarious parody of the worst aspects of Jodie era fandom. It's sad to think back then the people Be Kind was parodying were just a fraction of the fandom, now they represent all of it. Penny as far as I'm aware was a real person, though her posts weren't far off Be Kind. She posted for like ten years. |
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Post by Ludders II on May 24, 2024 8:34:19 GMT
I thought it was common knowledge that we found out eventually that Penny was actually a man posing as a female poster. Anyway, I agree with Burun. I'm pretty sure you're getting mixed up with Be Kind. That was a hilarious parody of the worst aspects of Jodie era fandom. It's sad to think back then the people Be Kind was parodying were just a fraction of the fandom, now they represent all of it. Penny as far as I'm aware was a real person, though her posts weren't far off Be Kind. She posted for like ten years. Was it really 10 years? But anyway, when I came back to what was then NuHive after a long break, I was told that Penny had been found to be a man. I can double check this, but I'm sure that was the case. Not that it really matters now. |
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