Davies' return: A mainstream success or a tired damp squib?

[Bernard Marx]

Sept 10, 2023 12:40:02 GMT Bernard Marx said:

Back in 2021, some of us predicted that Davies' return would result in an initial ratings success (likely accompanied by mainstream outlets writing gushing appraisals coupled with numerous caveats) before gradually dwindling into insignificance. 
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...this era might be a ratings success amidst the anniversary specials, but beyond the series' PR exercises, I can't see it having much steam afterwards.

Turns out my core instincts were right, but I grossly underestimated what an absolute ratings failure- and sheer f ucking shitshow- it became.

[iank]

Sept 10, 2023 21:08:32 GMT iank said:

I think it will fail, honestly. I'm sure the 60th will be a moderate success riding on nostalgia - though I doubt the ratings will be that spectacular - but if RTD cannot - and from the casting alone it seems he can't - keep his own personal ideology and rather warped worldview out of what is supposed to be a family show, I can see Ncuti going down like a cup of cold sick. Likewise if Ncuti is incapable of giving any performance other than "camp gay best friend" (which he even played Romeo as in that Shakespeare thing), I don't see him replicating Tennant's success in the 2000s.
I may be wrong. Davies has always been good at playing to the lowest common denominator imaginable, but at the same time he is nearly 20 years older than he was in the 2000s. I'm considerably younger than him, and I'm completely out of touch with the yoof of today. A man who spends his entire life in a shallow showbiz bubble surrounded by yes men with a very bizarre lifestyle he regards as normality may not be the man for the job this time around...

Tee hee. 

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

May 14, 2024 21:36:51 GMT iank said:

Sept 10, 2023 21:08:32 GMT iank said:

I think it will fail, honestly. I'm sure the 60th will be a moderate success riding on nostalgia - though I doubt the ratings will be that spectacular - but if RTD cannot - and from the casting alone it seems he can't - keep his own personal ideology and rather warped worldview out of what is supposed to be a family show, I can see Ncuti going down like a cup of cold sick. Likewise if Ncuti is incapable of giving any performance other than "camp gay best friend" (which he even played Romeo as in that Shakespeare thing), I don't see him replicating Tennant's success in the 2000s.
I may be wrong. Davies has always been good at playing to the lowest common denominator imaginable, but at the same time he is nearly 20 years older than he was in the 2000s. I'm considerably younger than him, and I'm completely out of touch with the yoof of today. A man who spends his entire life in a shallow showbiz bubble surrounded by yes men with a very bizarre lifestyle he regards as normality may not be the man for the job this time around...

Tee hee. 

"surrounded by yes men"

I mean, that could mean several different things...

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

There's a hatefulness to this era and the people working on it. Jinx and Ncuti have both essentially told fans to f*ck off despite the fact that most of them just want good story telling rather than lectures about things only they care about. They all paint themselves as these wonderful, rational people but they completely malfunction whenever anyone criticises them. I don't like the implication that if you don't buy what they're selling then you're the problem.  

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Ncuti's performance is f*cking crap btw. When he's not mincing around he just delivers a really flat, drab portrayal. He stumbles over his words a lot too. A lot of young people do that, I think because the schooling system doesn't prioritise elocution anymore and kids are being brought up with minor speech impediments. Everyone is uniquesieeeeessssssss after all

[iank]

Oh for the days when all we had to be embarrassed by was Colin's outfit...

[zarius]

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BBC's Dead Ringers openly mocking Ncuti, Jodie, and the ratings dips

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[zarius]

May 18, 2024 10:11:03 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Link doesn't work

Rats. sorry.

I'll describe what I heard then:

It was Cushaw voicing the whole thing....Daleks are afraid to attack Ncuti because social media will cancel them for assaulting a 'gay black man', 'Ncuti' wants the Cybermen, but they were accused of 'Cybermansplaining' around Jodie and stopped appearing, Ncuti finally convinces the Daleks to appear, the Daleks only agreeing if nobody finds out, Ncuti responds with "oh noone will, have you seen our ratings?"

[ClockworkOcean]

Interesting that Culshaw feels free to say all of that given the amount of work he's been doing for Big Finish lately. Could it be that Briggs and co. aren't as delighted with the state of NuWho as they'd like us to believe? The impact it's had on the popularity of the franchise as a whole is bound to be hurting their bottom line by now.

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Once an apologist, always an apologist. I don't buy that Briggs has changed his tune. I don't know who this Culshaw bloke is, but the jokes are fairly run-of-the-mill woke gags. It's the sort of "risque" material Jimmy Carr would do even though he's been part of the establishment for over 20 years. It's not exactly biting criticism. What would be really dangerous would be poking fun at the casting couch situation, which is pretty much an open secret at this point.

[Ludders II]

I agree it's fairly gentle and not too much of a biting criticism, but the fact that it's there at all is noteworthy.

[burrunjor]

I know someone who attended the premier of Space Babies. He said this is what happened.

Audience: It's rubbish!

Russell: Ncuti are they saying it's rubbish? 

Ncuti: No babes they're saying Ruuuussselll, Ruuuuusssell.

Russell: Are you saying it's rubbish or Russell.

Audience: IT'S RUBBISH!

Aging millennial hipster who still dresses like and thinks it is the early 2010s (he probably wears a stupid hat and has a stupid trimmed beard to show how meterosexual he is.) Back then when he was at Uni and DW seemed keeeewwwwwl he ran an obnoxious geek club that talked about all the hipster geek fads of the day that are long since forgotten, like Game of Thrones, Sherlock, The Big Bang Theory. He is now barely clinging to survival on a crappy youtube channel he opened up back then, where even though back in the glory days his videos were still ignorant and shallow, at least his opinions were his own. Now in order to still make a living from the Beeb who could copyright his channel any day but won't hire him, he has to whore himself out to them and try and spin positivity over RTD's latest fetishes. He also thinks he's a member of the LGBT community because he kissed a man back then and once wore a dress and uses that as a shield, but he is trapped in a marriage with a feminist who hates him for having white male privilege. This plus no official gig from the BBC and the shameless positivity he has had to spin, has completely and utterly eroded his soul and he clings to DW ironically as a relic from when he was happy as a child or a trendy student: I was saying Ruuuusssellll. 

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Mr TARDIS?

[burrunjor]

May 18, 2024 17:40:26 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Mr TARDIS?

LOL it was more just an amalgamation of those bland, awful 2000s era fan youtubers like him and Five Who Fans and others. As far as I know Mr Tardis has never claimed to be LGBT, but oh my god so many of the others would claim to be for the most shallow reasons and would then accuse you of being homophobic if you didn't agree with them. I mean fair enough human sexuality is very fluid and as I've said before bisexuals are rarely 50/50, but these types would often come out with crap like I'm bi because I'm a man who wears lipstick.