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Post by Spark Doll King on May 8, 2023 7:57:49 GMT
Cushing once said he liked to think his Doctor was one from the future, forced to live out old adventures by the Toymaker. Really? I always thought he was generally disinterested in the role, apparently not mentioning it at all in his autobiography. I've found a copy of that interview. drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/peter-cushing/when asked if if his character was a complete remake of the show, he stated... "Well I’ll tell you something I thought once. I just said I didn’t watch TV, but one of the few episodes of the ‘Dr. Who’ series that I saw was one that involved a kind of mystical clown (‘The Celestial Toymaker’? – ed.), and I realised that perhaps he kidnapped Dr Who and wiped his memory and made him relive some of his earlier adventures. When Bill Hartnell turned into Patrick Troughton, and changed his appearance, that idea seemed more likely. I think that’s what happened, so I think those films we did fit perfectly well into the TV series. That would not have been the case had I taken the role in the TV series"Given that it's been hinted the Toymaker will return for the 60th, the apperances of Beep the Meep (a comic book character) and nuwho current need to make everything cannon in some way, I've just had this notion, after remembering this interview that maybe IF the events of the 60th are all a big run around caused by the Toymaker then maybe they would try to rope that idea into cannon of the series. Also having Wilfred turned into Tom Campbell, since both were played by Bernard Cribbins. |
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Post by rushy on May 8, 2023 10:35:39 GMT
I get the feeling their going to canonise Peter Cushing doctor in this anniversary. Cushing once said he liked to think his Doctor was one from the future, forced to live out old adventures by the Toymaker. That's falsely attributed to him. Cushing's only known opinion of the films is that he enjoyed playing a more lighthearted character for the kids. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on May 8, 2023 10:52:27 GMT
I get the feeling their going to canonise Peter Cushing doctor in this anniversary. Cushing once said he liked to think his Doctor was one from the future, forced to live out old adventures by the Toymaker. That's falsely attributed to him. Cushing's only known opinion of the films is that he enjoyed playing a more lighthearted character for the kids. Oh really, I'd not heard that? Were did that come from then and how did it get played off as being from Cushing? |
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Post by rushy on May 8, 2023 10:57:41 GMT
I imagine it was a fan theory and someone just got confused.
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Post by Spark Doll King on May 8, 2023 10:58:40 GMT
I imagine it was a fan theory and someone just got confused. Thanks for the info, even to this day I'm waaaaay out of the loop on most Who background information. Most of what I know I learned here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 11:48:04 GMT
I get the feeling their going to canonise Peter Cushing doctor in this anniversary. Cushing once said he liked to think his Doctor was one from the future, forced to live out old adventures by the Toymaker. That's falsely attributed to him. Cushing's only known opinion of the films is that he enjoyed playing a more lighthearted character for the kids. What's that documented interview about, then? |
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Post by rushy on May 8, 2023 14:46:54 GMT
I'm not sure, honestly. I distinctly remember someone debunking it. Wish I could offer more details to make said debunking legitimate, but I'm fairly confident they're correct. Cushing was certainly a bit nerdy (he had a love for war games and cartoons), but if he was enough of a Doctor Who fan to know who the Toymaker is, you'd think he would've made a bigger fuss about playing the character. It's not even mentioned in his autobiography. He's a generation too old to really be into TV.
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Post by burrunjor on May 8, 2023 22:13:42 GMT
I'm not sure, honestly. I distinctly remember someone debunking it. Wish I could offer more details to make said debunking legitimate, but I'm fairly confident they're correct. Cushing was certainly a bit nerdy (he had a love for war games and cartoons), but if he was enough of a Doctor Who fan to know who the Toymaker is, you'd think he would've made a bigger fuss about playing the character. It's not even mentioned in his autobiography. He's a generation too old to really be into TV. To be fair in the interview he says that he didn't watch much DW precisely because he doesn't watch much tv in general, but he says that ONE DW story he did happen to catch by chance had some mystic clown trap the Doctor in some special magic world, and then says that he could have made him relive those adventures for amusement with a different face. He doesn't know who the Toymaker is in the interview, and does state what you said that he enjoyed playing the role because it gave him a chance to play a light hearted character that children loved. Honestly I've read the full interview and I think it is legit to be honest. It all sounds like the type of thing Cushing would say, and I've never heard that it was fake until now. I think you must be mistaken. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 8, 2023 22:16:38 GMT
Ah here is the full interview.
Enjoy.
In this rare Dr. Who-centric interview, Peter Cushing comes up with a novel idea for finding a place for the two 60’s movies in the ‘canon’. This interview is from the late 1970’s.
Q: What do you remember of the two ‘Dr. Who’ movies you made?
A: They were very enjoyable. A little frustrating, though, because they were not quite what we planned.
Q: What do you mean by that?
A: I think I speak for everyone involved when I say that we intended to make them a little darker. But they turned out well, very good entertainments and a hit with the children.
Q: How close did you come to making a third?
A: Very close. I thought we would, and possibly a fourth. Sadly it didn’t come to pass.
Q: Were you a fan of the TV series?
A: I thought it was very good. Very well made. But I didn’t watch TV then, and I don’t much now.
Q: The character you played in those two films was very different from the character on the TV show. Were those films a complete remake?
A: Well I’ll tell you something I thought once. I just said I didn’t watch TV, but one of the few episodes of the ‘Dr. Who’ series that I saw was one that involved a kind of mystical clown (‘The Celestial Toymaker’? – ed.), and I realised that perhaps he kidnapped Dr Who and wiped his memory and made him relive some of his earlier adventures. When Bill Hartnell turned into Patrick Troughton, and changed his appearance, that idea seemed more likely. I think that’s what happened, so I think those films we did fit perfectly well into the TV series. That would not have been the case had I taken the role in the TV series.
Q: Were you ever asked?
A: Twice, as it happens. When Bill Hartnell was forced to quit, I was asked if I would be interested in taking the lead in the new series. I turned it down, which I now regret a little. It would have been fun. But at the time, you know, I considered myself a serious film actor and stepping into a television series seemed like a step backwards. I don’t know how serious the producers were about hiring me. But perhaps if I’d said yes, they would have been pleased and you would have had me fighting Daleks and Cybermen week in, week out. But I’m glad I didn’t in some ways, because Patrick was so wonderful.
Q: You said you were asked back twice.
A: Yes, another time was quite recently, with Tom Baker’s Dr. Who. I don’t know the part, but they wanted me and I was interested by scheduling conflicts scuppered it. But perhaps in the future I’ll be able to take a part. I’d be very keen on that.
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Post by burrunjor on May 8, 2023 22:26:18 GMT
Personally my idea for making the Cushing canon was a bit more simple.
I viewed it like this.
He's an alternate universe Doctor. In his reality the Doctor had two grand children, and when he lost the TARDIS in Quinnis in the fourth universe (which Susan says in the Edge of Destruction happened before they visited the earth.) Not only was the TARDIS damaged, but the Doctor was wounded getting it back and regenerated into his second form which was Cushing.
The Cushing Doctor then piloted the damaged TARDIS to earth, which burnt it out, and he spent the next few years repairing it, whilst under the alias of an eccentric professor "Doctor Who." Eventually by the time of the first movie he had finished repairing the TARDIS, and was ready to go exploring the universe again.
(His haphazard attempt to repair it however resulted in the TARDIS interior looking more cobbled together like in the Cushing movies.)
Personally I'd reveal this in the alternate sequel in a story that would have the Cushing Doctor who had since regenerated into his third form, the Doctor from the New Who universe (preferably Capaldi, who would reveal when he refused to regenerate in The Doctor Falls, he survived, but burned out his regenerations, meaning he can never change again, thereby writing Jodie out of even New Who canon. Sorry Jodie love your singing and huge nose, but the Timeless Children is so shit I don't even want it in the same multiverse.) And the 9th Doctor from the alternate sequel universe, all go on an adventure together ala No Way Home.
That to me is the best way to bring them all together and get a clean slate, rather than bringing the number 1 Amy Winehouse hater into it and messing up the number counting even more.
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Post by zarius on May 10, 2023 6:49:00 GMT
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Post by rushy on May 10, 2023 13:55:53 GMT
One thing I like about the Toymaker is that they established the Doctor knows him from before his travels even begun. I know that's the Master's shtick too, but the Doctor and the Master were always equal, and grew up as friends. It's just cool to think that the Toymaker is someone who may have scared him when he was young.
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Post by henshin on May 11, 2023 1:15:07 GMT
If Harris is The Celestial Toymaker...I like what i'm seeing. Possibly the best Riddler we've never had.
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Post by rushy on May 11, 2023 8:16:03 GMT
They're probably dropping the 'celestial' part of it lol, Chinese iconography and all that
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Post by burrunjor on May 11, 2023 8:57:20 GMT
f*ck NPH I still say. I don't get what his appeal is? He's a bum actor, an ignorant shit lib, smug and condescending and a thoroughly nasty piece of work who indulges in cannibal fantasies with his friends.
Honestly of all the geek actors it had to be him?
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