|
|
Post by cyberhat on Oct 24, 2022 19:31:19 GMT
I thought it was alright.
I think New Who works better in an anniversary special because even the most hard-nosed fans will accept a bit of froth under the circumstances. This might be the solution to all New Who's problems, make every episode an anniversary special.
|
|
|
|
Post by iank on Oct 24, 2022 20:54:54 GMT
The biggest problem with the whole era is the lead. Not that Chinballs isn't shit, but Jodie is genuinely unwatchable. I watched the opening sequence with the Cybermen attacking the space train - fine, solid enough excitement... and then she turns up. The moment she opens her vacuous gob I'm out the door.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 21:13:08 GMT
I think she's fab now. The writing let her down big time and it's entirely his fault for not thinking things through. Power of the Doctor is the highlight of the era, but it's a little bit too late now. Should do some Big Finish audios in the future. Why I ever stopped fancying this delicious lady is a mystery to me.  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 21:34:58 GMT
I'll probably watch it as part of the 60th anniversary celebrations. Wouldn't make for a bad warm up to genuine classics like The Five Doctors and Remembrance of the Daleks. I'll probably never watch the 50th itself again. The best "day" Moffat gave us was Lynda Day from Press Gang.
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Oct 24, 2022 23:04:21 GMT
I think she's fab now. The writing let her down big time and it's entirely his fault for not thinking things through. Power of the Doctor is the highlight of the era, but it's a little bit too late now. Should do some Big Finish audios in the future. Why I ever stopped fancying this delicious lady is a mystery to me. Come on Maxil. She was awful. Check out her acting when she's being tortured in the last episode of Flux. It honestly had me howling with laughter. |
|
|
|
Post by cyberhat on Oct 24, 2022 23:36:33 GMT
The Jodie era has been Androzanied
|
|
|
|
Post by henshin on Oct 25, 2022 2:26:44 GMT
Ratings....just over 3 million.
Gallifreyan sized OOF.
|
|
|
|
Post by zarius on Oct 25, 2022 10:13:33 GMT
It's not top five Nu Who or even top five Chibs Who (yes, such a list exists for me), but it's a ruddy good time and a great send-off to Classic Who, it's just a pity the main character was such a victim of circumstance and didn't play a great deal in proceedings, with the companions, her predecessors, her arch-enemy, and a hologram during the lion's share of knitting the best bits altogether. Dawan is a steller Master and I hope this is not the end of him or his rubbish rasputin beard.
As much as I've always disagreed with Ace and the Seventh Doctor parting on bad terms, it's at least handled modestly better here than it ever is in Big Finish or novels. To finally have closure on my era of Doctor Who, the culmination of Ace's character arc and learning it didn't go quite to plan (but whatever does with your intentions for a child?) is very in-keeping with the themes of that era.
Can't really form an opinion on Tennant Mallet's return to glory, that'll be for Russel to dictate, but you have to laugh at all the Jodie stans who cried about "Not My Doctors" decree themselves to be NMDs straight after this.
|
|
|
|
Post by UncleDeadly on Oct 25, 2022 13:14:08 GMT
Speaking of diversity of opinion, I wonder when Rani will turn up to give his verdict. Reckon we've missed the boat on that one. Like most nuwho fans, Rani usually gives his opinion in advance. |
|
|
|
Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 25, 2022 17:55:33 GMT
Not gonna lie, I've had time to ponder on it further, and I think my original assessment of this episode was pretty accurate. It IS Dimensions in Time with a budget, even going as far as to have the Doctor (or a holographic version) switch incarnations on a whim.
Yes, it does feature some alluring cameos from previous Doctors and companions, but I'll be honest. If those (admittedly enticing) cameos weren't in the episode, and if we were judging the episode on its own merits, it deserves an outright slagging.
The scriptwriting is dire and lacks any coherent narrative flow: The space train attack is solely there to get rid of Dan, not least because the Cybermen are barely utilised again properly. The Dalek subplot is completely superfluous and does absolutely nothing interesting with them at all: Why implement the conceit of a traitorous Dalek only to do absolutely nothing with it? Why did it defect? Is it anomalous or is this now widespread (given how many bloody times NuWho has done this)? It's the same with UNIT HQ being converted into Cybermen- a core idea immediately dropped courtesy of one pivotal explosion.
It's a microcosm for the episode, and indeed the era: Incessantly throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks. This kind of storytelling invariably ensures that your narrative will not age well.
How does Graham even turn up in the first place? Why does Jodie actually regenerate? Why does she drop Yaz off in such a contrived, artificial and laborious way? Almost as if both characters are conscious that showrunners are about to change- very placid and uninspired storytelling.
Come to think of it, why is Jodie sipping f*cking ice cream in space when she's about to regenerate? She's dying, for f*ck's sake.
Attack of the Cybermen might have been heavy on continuity referencing, but it benefits from both making a modicum of sense and being anchored by great performances and character exchanges (not to mention a grittier and less patronising aesthetic). I know that the nostalgic elements work for some people (and did admittedly entice me briefly), but there's so much wrong with the episode on a purely functional narrative basis, it's unreal.
|
|
|
|
Post by zarius on Oct 25, 2022 18:00:26 GMT
Why does Jodie actually regenerate? Jodie was cut down by a stray lazer blast from the alien energy being she freed from the planet, the Master still briefly controlled it. She prolonged her regeneration to give Yaz one last outing together, she let Yaz go because she probably didn't want her to undergo the pain of seeing her become someone different from who's used to seeing. |
|
|
|
Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 25, 2022 18:03:48 GMT
Why does Jodie actually regenerate? Jodie was cut down by a stray lazer blast from the alien energy being she freed from the planet, the Master still briefly controlled it. Thanks for the clarification. Still, seemed to be glossed over from what I saw, unless I was just shite at paying attention...  |
|
|
|
Post by zarius on Oct 25, 2022 18:07:23 GMT
Jodie was cut down by a stray lazer blast from the alien energy being she freed from the planet, the Master still briefly controlled it. Thanks for the clarification. Still, seemed to be glossed over from what I saw, unless I was just shite at paying attention... I don't blame you. I'd have simply explained it away as being a consequence of the forced regeneration after the process was reversed. We know Nu Who Doctors can 'reset' so I assumed at the time that's what Jodie was going to go through at the end. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 20:51:50 GMT
One of my favourite moments. She looks great with McCoy's jumper. I wish she had worn it for her the whole of tenure instead of just one scene.  |
|
|
|
Post by henshin on Oct 27, 2022 22:37:41 GMT
"What am I wearing?"
Jodie really loves the legacy, doesn't she?
|
|
