The Batgirl drama

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Even if it does suck, I don't think it's fair for them to cancel the film and not show it on any streaming platform. What about the actors and the crew? They've pretty much wasted their time on it. I was looking forward to seeing Keaton again too.  Batgirl couldn' possibly be worse than some of the other shit they've been pumping out over the years. I'm sure the RestoreTheSnyderVerse cultists will be very happy with this.

[burrunjor]

Aug 5, 2022 12:28:56 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

Even if it does suck, I don't think it's fair for them to cancel the film and not show it on any streaming platform. What about the actors and the crew? They've pretty much wasted their time on it. I was looking forward to seeing Keaton again too.  Batgirl couldn' possibly be worse than some of the other shit they've been pumping out over the years. I'm sure the RestoreTheSnyderVerse cultists will be very happy with this.

I agree. The idea that it was too shit to release compared to Jodie era Who, Doom Patrol, the last few seasons of Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Batwahman etc, I'm sorry I don't believe it could be worse than any of that crap. 

I personally think it is just a publicity stunt now after having seen the success of the other lost film, the Snyder cut and also so that Keatons comeback isn't a supporting role in Batgirl. 

The Flash was supposed to be Keaton's reintroduction. Basically SPOILERS. it was going to go like this. 

In The Flash 2023 film, Barry goes back to try and stop his mother from being killed. However he ends up falling into an alternate universe. (If you don't read the comics or watch the tv show, basically the Flash can run so fast he can go backwards in time and by vibrating at different frequencies, travel to different universes.) So when messing around with his superspeed to go backwards in time he ends up falling into an alternate universe where the 89 Batman is. There he goes on an adventure with the Keaton Batman who has aged since we last saw him. Supergirl also exists in this universe too. After the three heroes fight General Zod which makes up the bulk of the movie, the Flash travels back to his universe and changes time. When he arrives back in his present however, we discover that when he changed history, he upset the balance between the universes, causing the 89 universe and the current one to merge into a single universe. So in the Flash's reality, Keaton is Batman now instead of Affleck and Supergirl also exists. 

Now originally the Flash movie was going to be released this year and reboot the DCEU with Keaton as their Batman going forward, after which Batgirl and Aquaman 2 both of which feature Keaton were going to premier. 

However sadly the Flash was delayed (again) due to COVID and Ezra's insane behaviour. As a result, Keaton's appearance in both Aquaman 2 and Batgirl were now going to premier before the Flash. Test audiences for Aquaman 2 responded negatively to Keaton's cameo stating that it was confusing as to why he was Batman and not Affleck, so Keaton's scenes were reshot with Affleck for Aquaman 2, and round about the same time Batgirl gets canned, supposedly for different reasons. Thinking it over to me it seems like maybe they thought, given the success of Spider-Man No Way Home, that they didn't want Keaton's comeback to be a supporting role in Batgirl, with no explanation which had already tested negatively with Aquaman 2, so perhaps they decided to postpone it, and generate publicity over this lost film since it was nearly finished, like they did with the Synder cut and have Keaton's comeback be the big Flash movie next year. 

However the fact that they think the Flash will be this big event movie like Spider-Man is very optimistic given what Ezra's been up too. Still either way I personally think this movie might just see the light of day later in 2023, or 2024. This also gives them extra time to work on it too. 

[rushy]

I genuinely cannot bring myself to care. The DCEU was already a complete mess from the 2nd film onwards, and the fact that they haven't managed to get their shit together still is hilarious.

Michael Keaton was a great Batman in his day, and I would welcome another film to close off his era as a trilogy (maybe with Billy Dee as Two-Face), but sticking him into an unrelated Flash or Batgirl movie instead is just further proof that these people are incompetent.

Don't f*ck with different universes before you've done twenty films, bring back Henry Cavill to anchor your film series and write a coherent story.

[iank]

Yeah, I'd much rather see Keaton in his own movie than playing cameo to characters I don't GAF about. Though knowing Hollyweird they'll probably just drop him altogether now.
I could care less tbh. The Keaton and Reeve movies are iconic films from my childhood/youth, but other than that I just don't have any interest in this stuff. It's time we moved on from comic books movies. Can't we have proper action and thriller movies back? Granted we'd need some real stars and the only ones left are over 50 now...

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The perfect Batgirl movie would be a freeze frame of Alicia Silverstone's butt in her Batgirl outfit for 120 minutes 

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I'm the same as Ian. I only really have interest in those old Batman and Superman (and Supergirl) movies. The first Spider-Man is good and I do enjoy The Shadow, but apart from that I'm exhausted just watching all the trailers of upcoming superhero movies. It's just the same stuff again and again. In ten years we'll probably get another Spider-Man reboot and another Batman too. It's a bit like Star Wars. It was an event when a movie came out, now they just pump all kinds of crap out and slap the Star Wars name on it. I don't think we needed the prequels let alone the sequel trilogy.

[Spark Doll King]

I really dont know what to think anymore. First they make films that are out right unwatchable, then they won't release them because their bad???

What exactly made this movie the straw the broke the camels back? It cant be any worse then some of the crap thats come out over the last few years.

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Apparently a rumour is that Keaton dies at the end of this film which doesn't make sense this is set before The Flash I believe could be wrong but yes that would have been controversial I don't like that idea at all myself .

[iank]

Aug 6, 2022 0:10:57 GMT Spark Doll King said:

I really dont know what to think anymore. First they make films that are out right unwatchable, then they won't release them because their bad???

What exactly made this movie the straw the broke the camels back? It cant be any worse then some of the crap thats come out over the last few years.

They're finally running out of money and now it's finally occurring to them to maybe make stuff for the general audience instead of a tiny minority of Twatter weirdos. 

[burrunjor]

Aug 5, 2022 22:40:03 GMT iank said:

Yeah, I'd much rather see Keaton in his own movie than playing cameo to characters I don't GAF about. Though knowing Hollyweird they'll probably just drop him altogether now.
I could care less tbh. The Keaton and Reeve movies are iconic films from my childhood/youth, but other than that I just don't have any interest in this stuff. It's time we moved on from comic books movies. Can't we have proper action and thriller movies back? Granted we'd need some real stars and the only ones left are over 50 now...

The Flash movie is still going ahead despite Ezra. Apparently it tested brilliantly to audiences, so from the looks of things we will be getting more Keaton. I don't mind him working with other superheroes, personally it could be quite fun,  and hey if the Flash is a success, then maybe we will get a third Keaton movie. 

As for the superhero genre, well it's like any other. It has its place, but when it got popular it was overhyped and oversaturated. It's like westerns were back in the 40, 50s, 60s and 70s. For every The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, there are a dozen shitty westerns like the racist and sexist John Wayne ones. 

It's the same with superheroes. I think fads need to finish once and for all. Studios should just accept good films regardless of their genre, than trying to cash in on a previous success. Whenever they try to emulate something that has worked, they always end up producing 90 percent shit and in the long run killing that genre, because the attitude becomes "well that genre has had its day." Same is true for all genres, whether that is superhero films, westerns or even martial arts. Look at the bruceploitation genre that sprung up after Bruce Lee's death for example? To me that's all the MCU crap is. 

However if there is a great superhero movie I will still check it out, like Logan and Guardians of the Galaxy and the Batman and Joker. 

PS anyone worried about Joker 2? It stars the big nosed goddess Lady Gaga herself as Harley Quinn. Now you all know how much I LOVE Gaga, but I don't think this is a good idea. To start with the first movie worked as a one off, second it's a more down to earth, gritty, brutal film. Also its Joker was a more tragic, pathetic character. To give him a supervillain girlfriend, played by one of the most desirable women in the world, kind of seems like they are dragging it into usual comic book territory. 

Then again Gaga can play quite pathetic, gross characters quite well too, so maybe it will be a complete going against type performance, but either way we will have to see. 

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I heard Joker 2 will be a musical as well.

[burrunjor]

Aug 6, 2022 12:27:23 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I heard Joker 2 will be a musical as well.

Hmmm I don't see how that could work. 

I never like to make presumptions though. Who would have thought Mark Hamill would have been so spectacular as the Joker? 

If it does well then that'll be awesome to have two of my fave things, crazy female singers and DC comics collide, though we already had that with Pennyworth I suppose and it was awesome then, but this will be even cooler as the Joker was my fave villain growing up.

I do wonder though, if they have Jaquin Phoenix and Gaga's Joker and Harley merged with the DCEU timeline. 

SPOILERS as you know they are rebooting the DCEU, by having Barry go backwards in time and his meddling, creates a hole in the universes that causes two of them to merge together, the DCEU and Burtonverse, leading to Keaton being the Batman going forward. They could easily have it that several more merge realities together as a result including the . The Phoenix Joker and Gaga Harley would go quite well with the Burtonverse Batman. After all this Joker caused the death of Batman's parents and Joker seemed to be set in the past, though when is never made clear, much like with the Burtonverse? 

The way I see it, they will have to replace the Joker at some point. Nicholson is too old, and his Joker died in the 89 universe, and Leto I think has retired, whilst Robbie, though popular, all of her movies were gigantic flops, so if Gaga's Harley is a hit then I can easily see DC saying "okay go with her instead." 

Personally I don't want this. If they are going to replace Leto, I think Cameron Monaghan would be better as he was an amazing Joker and would fit in with the Burtonverse better as he was monstrous. Still we'll see.

[iank]

I can see the "musical" stuff basically being delusions. The film is subtitled "Folie a Deux" - madness of two - so I can see Joker and Harley imagining themselves as these colorful supervillains complete with musical numbers when they're actually just grubby little nutters.

[rushy]

Aug 5, 2022 22:40:03 GMT iank said:

It's time we moved on from comic books movies.

Marvel will try to squeeze every penny out of its cinematic universe, but I doubt it will get anywhere near Infinity War/Endgame levels of hype again. It would've been smart to end it there, neat and tidy, and then kick off a new continuity with new heroes (Marvel has about a million to choose from). A fresh start that can bring in the next generation of viewers, and also hook the old audience with the promise of it being the same creative team. 

The longer the current iteration lasts, the more cross-referential it becomes, the less money it will make. The current viewers will get bored and worn out, and newcomers will feel too intimidated by the 20+ films they'd have to see to follow the plot. 

[rushy]

Aug 6, 2022 12:56:41 GMT burrunjor said:

Aug 6, 2022 12:27:23 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I heard Joker 2 will be a musical as well.

SPOILERS as you know they are rebooting the DCEU, by having Barry go backwards in time and his meddling, creates a hole in the universes that causes two of them to merge together, the DCEU and Burtonverse, leading to Keaton being the Batman going forward. They could easily have it that several more merge realities together as a result including the . The Phoenix Joker and Gaga Harley would go quite well with the Burtonverse Batman. After all this Joker caused the death of Batman's parents and Joker seemed to be set in the past, though when is never made clear, much like with the Burtonverse? 

The way I see it, they will have to replace the Joker at some point. Nicholson is too old, and his Joker died in the 89 universe, and Leto I think has retired, whilst Robbie, though popular, all of her movies were gigantic flops, so if Gaga's Harley is a hit then I can easily see DC saying "okay go with her instead." 

Personally I don't want this. If they are going to replace Leto, I think Cameron Monaghan would be better as he was an amazing Joker and would fit in with the Burtonverse better as he was monstrous. Still we'll see.

This sounds like the dumbest idea ever.  

1. The DCEU doesn't need a reboot. They could literally just make Aquaman or Wonder Woman the new focus of the franchise (a la Iron Man) and keep going without really bringing up the films everyone dislikes. Or just bring back Henry Cavill. As for Batman, Joker and Lex, those characters are easily replaced. Do a Batman Beyond thing for the first two, and cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Sr (I know they said Lex Sr was dead, but who cares). 

2. If they want to reboot it, it should be a brand new start. Mixing Snyderverse actors with new ones is just going to confuse everyone. It's not like Star Trek, where basically everything was new and they only had one minor loose thread to the old films with Leonard Nimoy.