You guys might be interested in reading this.
I don't mean that in a condescending, bitchy way LOL. Just that it shows you how what we are talking about here with New Who and its fans often happens.
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I know I've had my beef with TV Tropes in the past, but I'm over that now. That was like 3 years ago, we've made peace and that's that. I seem to be quite good at making peace with my enemies. I'd prefer it if I didn't make enemies in the first place LOL, but what can you do?
Anyway this article talks about how adaptations or modern updates to things can ultimately colour how they are perceived by certain generations and audiences. The X-Men I think is a notable example. Most people think of the Professor as a British, kindly old man because of the films, when he was an American, manipulative shit in the comics.
(PS their sections on DW are still crap. Sadly it seems the Be Kind side of fandom still rules the roost on tv tropes, which is why I don't bother with any of their DW articles anymore. For instance even there when ironically talking about how things can be shaped by later adaptations, they try and claim that Tom Baker was the only Doctor who was asexual. That's another common argument I've seen from new who fans to try and make Ten inch not stand out so jarringly and it's utter bollocks. You can find interviews with Jon Pertwee and William Hartnell who both say that they were adamant about the Doctor being asexual. Given both were womanizers in real life, it obviously was not because they were prudes, but a deliberate creative choice.)
Still you can see how New Who is basically just the X-Men movies to a particular generation, and that's fine. However again where New Who earns the wrath of fans more so than the X-Men movies and is more objectionable is the following. (Obviously the X-Men movies are more objectionable because of Bryan Singer who was an absolute monster! However again separating the art from the artist, then the X-Men movies were not anywhere near as damaging for the brand as New Who was for the following reasons.)
1/ The X-Men movies are their own continuity and therefore don't rewrite the past. Also this makes them easier to enjoy on their own, as for instance we don't have to try and reconcile the Phoenix being an alien, and just a damaged woman. The only way you can get away with such blatant errors as characters entire histories, motivations and personalities being rewritten (which is obviously different from a minor thing like Atlantis in Old Who) long term is if you adopt Paul Cornell's bullshit of continuity doesn't matter, which will kill your version in the long run too as it will mean that basically nothing matters giving people a reason to not give a shit about it.
2/ New Who has made its changes political in nature to the point where if you disagree with them on creative grounds, you will be smeared as a bigot. If I were to suggest Dylan Moran as the Doctor, that would be enough for me to be called a racist, sexist, transphobe! This has basically made it all but impossible to have a proper version of DW. At least another version of the X-Men could be more faithful, IE cast an American actor as Xavier who plays him as a bit of a dick without being accused of xenophobia.
3/ The Fitzroy clique really have established a cult like fandom to the point where any deviation from their crap will be met with psychotic abuse from their fans.
My theory of an alternate sequel is actually reasonable, As many of you know I've suggested that after New Who finishes in a few years, we do another sequel where there is a new Doctor. We don't mention which he is. Like Eccelston he just shows up and later says after he has been established maybe on his second season "I'm on my 9th life." That's that.
Then somewhere down the line you can do a No Way Home style story where one of the new who Doctors crosses over from their universe to help this Doctor. (That would be a better way to canonise Cushing as well, have his Doctor show up from another universe and do a No Way Home adventure with all three, You could have them take on the Daleks from their respective universes who have teamed up to build a reality bomb type weapon, and who will then war with each other after they have destroyed all other life, to see which of the three is supreme. We'd see the Cushing Daleks back with the foam shooters, the Jazz music Robomen, and the big headed emperor from the tv century 21 comics leading them. The New Who Daleks would have the RTD design, be led by the Emperor and the claw handed Davros and have Colony Sarf and finally the alternate sequel Daleks would be like the original ones, either the grey or the Remembrance types, led by the Evil emperor and Davros from Remembrance and served by the Ogrons and vargas.)
On top of that you can even have alternate versions of New Who characters, like maybe in this reality, Martha Jones is the lead Doctor at UNIT and is a recurring character now and again? Have the Weeping Angels show up in this universe, and maybe even do a story where Captain Jack falls into this universe by mistake and goes on an adventure with this Doctor.
Then when this alternate sequel ends, you repeat the process. IE give it a break, then do another series with another alternate 9th Doctor who is introduced the same way. He just casually mentions being on his 9th life once he is established. Then you can do a no way home story again etc.
That is the absolute best formula in every way. Everybody wins. All of these alternate sequels means you can pick and choose which if any, is the true sequel to classic who. It stops archive panic as now you can divide it up more clearly with definitive ends, like the different versions of Holmes and Dracula. It also allows each sequel to pick and choose what it wants from each version of DW, and finally it allows each sequel to end. IE once its Doctor gets to his 13th life, (assuming it runs that long) no magic pixie fairy dust. He's gone and the show can then live on after via a different version in another reality. Proper endings to the Master, the Daleks and the Cybermen too. Things actually matter in the series.
I suggested this story of Doctors from different universes, IE classic Doctor, New Who Doctor and Cushing Doctor teaming up and fighting their Daleks, way back in 2016, and I was laughed at. Told that it would never succeed as it is too big and too stupid a concept. Then No Way Home and now the Flash come out with the EXACT same story and are both huge hits (well we don't know about the Flash yet, but the reviews are certainly excellent.)
Even after those films however whenever I bring it up I still get told I'm a moron, it would never work, without any reason given? New Who fans on Reddit, GB, twitter will also tell me I'm a sad f*cker, that I'm just inadequate around women, that I hate black people, that I'm the type of fan who killed it in the 80s. (Where even with a smear campaign and deliberate sabotage it still performed better than the Jodie or Capaldi eras tailored for them.)
They can't provide one reason for why my alternate sequel idea doesn't work? What's funny even by their own logic they should be okay with it. These are people who claim that DW has no canon right? That we don't have to pay lip service to anything that came before? So what difference does it make to them if this version is an alternate sequel then? To those of us who do care it matters, to them it provides a bigger clean slate than simply saying there is no canon?
Honestly it seems to me that their only beef with it is because then RTD and the Fitzroy crowd's vision of DW wouldn't be the only one, and then their cult master wouldn't be the be all and end all of DW and they'd go f*cking nuts. Even when I suggested that alternate sequel concept as an animated series, to run side by side, just to give those of us who aren't happy with new who an alternative I was still met with absolute psychotic personal abuse. This also explains why they are so f*cking desperate to smear their shit over anything classic who related too, like Dhawan's Master in Fury from the Deep, Jodie in Scratchman etc. They can't stand a version of DW existing that's not completely tailored to them.
As a result of this DW unlike X-men or any other franchise that has an audience colouring adaptation that can eventually break free will never escape these people's clutches. Any attempt, no matter how fair or measured like my alternate sequel idea will be shot down by the psychotic cult like fandom that RTD has deliberately cultivated, the Sandifiers. On top of that now that political crap has been dragged into it, they will also smear any attempt to do a more faithful version as a sexist, a racist and a homophobe attempt to eliminate minorities having any roles on tv too. And as if that wasn't enough, now the classic era's history has to be rewritten as much as it possibly can, both behind and in front of the camera. IE we have to view the Master as his gay lover, new who crap must be inserted in no matter what etc.
All of that is where New Who ultimately eclipses even the most unfaithful remakes in having the absolute worst effect on what came before. You can blame multiple factors. The classic era actors and writers being so spineless and desperate to have a new millenial fanbase, they sold out, the toxic controlling nature of the Fitzroy clique, identity politics etc.
Honestly the only way it's going to end is if RTD goes the way of Joss Whedon, which could happen if Eccelston is bitter enough, but probably not.
