Post by burrunjor on May 25, 2023 14:57:24 GMT
Not to mention that no one will sign of on an alternate reality sequel to run alongside the main one, because that by implication means criticism towards New Who. Which the company that produces it wouldn't allow. Hell, I wouldn't allow it if I was running the brand. The whole point of promoting and creating something is to make it seem as flawless as possible. New Who is meant as the direct continuation of Classic Who. Any other continuity (i.e. Shalka) would be competition rather than a companion. It's pragmatic not to allow other versions to exist canonically.
And RTD won't go the way of Joss Whedon, because you can't tie anything back to him. The "poor treatment of workers", Barrowman and Clarke etc. all happened while he wasn't on set. RTD wasn't screaming in people's faces or abusing anyone. He got blamed by Eccleston because he was the leader and didn't do more about it. Their beef seems entirely based on principles rather than personal dislike.
Anyway onto your points.
The whole point of the alternate sequel isn't simply to do a No Way Home story obviously. If that happened it would be just ONE story, an anniversary special or something. The real reason to do it would be to free DW from the excess baggage of billions of pre Hartnell Doctors, Time war, the battle ground casting a Doctor will be if you dare to cast a white straight man again, the Master being nothing but a jumbled mess, Cybermen on every planet there is humanoids, time being rewritten again and again, the Doctor having an infinite number of lives, both of which kill any drama etc.
The alternate sequel keeps it very straight forward. It's just the Doctor who is a renegade on his 9th life, no gender bending crap, no Doctor being an angry god. He's just a mad scientist/bolshy adventurer going on new adventures, with new companions. Every time you bring an old enemy back, which would be more fleetingly. You'd link it to classic who in a way that is not too alienating. IE don't show clips like New Who. Just have the Master be on his last life like the last time we saw him in Old Who, the Cybermen only come from Mondas, maybe mention that Skaro is destroyed etc. That's that. Have the Time Lords appear very, very, VERY fleetingly too if you have a good story.
That's all you'd need. The No Way Home part is just something we can do if we want, and to still keep them linked. I also fail to see how it's any tackier than anniversary multi Doctor stories to be honest. Unlike those stories it at least makes sense. It all depends on how you do it. As it was No Way Home is one of the best superhero movies ever made and the Flash is shaping up to be a great movie.
Really just saying it's tacky isn't a counterargument to be honest.
Certainly not as a counter to the benefits the shifting universes every time the Doctor reaches his 13th life, or alternatively every time we finish the current sequel, gives which is the following.
You get a fresh slate, but can still pick what you want from the original and even New Who and any other potential sequels too.
You can actually end stories. A big problem with New Who is that everything has to be restored, IE if the earth is aware of aliens, some bullshit retcon has to wipe it out. The Master even if they go through this big redemption arc have to be brought back, Gallifrey has to be destroyed and brought back and destroyed and brought back again and again. This way however because you're not looking at it going on literally forever, you can do things like have the earth be aware of aliens and develop it. Kill the Master for good (not saying you'd do this at the beginning, but you could at least work too it) Have the Time Lords be gone for good and know you weren't stopping all future writers etc.
Really to me just saying it's tacky because there is a bit of fan service involved in just one potential story, isn't anywhere near enough of a good reason. Even if New Who hadn't been a disaster, I would still push for the multiverse formula eventually btw, as again DW would get boring because no stories can be resolved, and the continuity would become so big it would collapse in on itself eventually.
Suppose DW is still being made in the 22nd century? It could happen, is it still going to follow continuity set up in the 1960s? You're going to have to get rid of past continuity eventually. Isn't it better to do that via a multiverse, where you can end the original continuity respectfully whilst it is still itself, and everything in it still happened, and can very rarely even be brought back. Rather than lazily ignoring it, except when we want fan service like Jodie's last story, turning it all into a jumbled mess. Or a bullshit time has been rewritten so these events didn't happen retcon, which not only is disrespectful to past stories, but like I said kills drama. "Eh the entire history of the universe has been rewritten so that now the Dalek invasion of the 22nd century, where billions died never happened, so if time can be rewritten to that extent. Why not go back and save me, ONE person if I died which surely can't be as big a change as billions on earth, thereby eliminating any tension?" "Eh wibbly wobbly timey wimey."
That is utter bullshit and not up to the basic standard of sci fi I'm sorry.
Meanwhile the idea of their being an animated series running parallel to new who that has a different 9th Doctor is NOT counter productive to New Who. It has happened all the fecking time with other franchises.
Look how many versions of Sherlock Holmes there have been running parallel? Look at Spider-Man. There were plenty of cartoons alongside the films that had nothing to do with them. Similarly Batman tas ran alongside Batman Forever. In fact Batman TAS made fun of Batman forever, having a scene where there is an effeminate man named Joel who goes on about Bat nipples and wanting to make the batmobile fly up the wall. Then there is shin Godzilla and the monsterverse, not to mention the animated movies.
The only reason multiple versions of the same character are ever stopped, is if studios are worried that people might get confused with them, hence why Gotham wasn't allowed to use the name Joker because at that point Jared Leto was playing him in the films. If anything an animated Doctor Who series would have be to be disassociated from the live action one to avoid confusion. Furthermore it's not like the actor playing the Doctor on tv would want to do the animated series as well full time. Hell this already happened with DW. Look at the Cushing films? The first of which was very successful and didn't hurt the tv show at all.
Again this gets into what I'm saying about how RTD fans want his version to be the only one. Fans of other franchises and even as seen with Cushing, once upon a time DW fans were happy to accept that with characters like the Doctor, Batman, Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes etc. no one can have a monopoly on them. Other people can and should be allowed to come in and do their own versions, in their own continuities. Yes DW's formula can allow its individual continuities to run longer, but ultimately even then it can't go on forever. All stories need to end at some point.
RTD and the Fitzroy Crowd are such controlling bastards however they have to have a monopoly on it and sadly their fans end up thinking the same. Not saying you are like the psychos online obviously Rushy, but I feel that attitude runs deep in New Who fandom, where any other potential DW project is seen as heresy. (We also saw this with Sherlock Holmes. Moffat and Gatiss actually tried to stop Elementary from getting made whilst they were doing Sherlock, at least if some reports are to be believed. I don't know how true that is, but it does sound like the type of thing they'd do. Sadly for them Holmes is too big a brand for them to monopolise.)
Finally as for RTD going the way of Joss Whedon, well I more meant in terms of his work being reappraised. People think Joss's career ended with Ray Fisher. It didn't even before that he was getting shat on by the SJWs because a lot of people were going back and looking at things like the Buffy/Angel romance which in places is very creepy, or Riley complaining about women only liking bad boys as being sexist.
RTD has a lot of things like that throughout his era. The jokes against fat people, the pairing off two black companions together, Rose being emotionally cruel to Mickey and it being played off as nothing, hell he even has an older woman grope the Doctor.
I'm surprised that he hasn't got the Joss Whedon treatment that way. The Eccelston stuff would more be the catalyist for that. Obviously RTD isn't anywhere near as terrible a person as Joss Whedon.
