Doctor Who The Collection: Series 22

[RobFilth]

Jan 25, 2022 23:07:07 GMT mistressrani said:

Jan 25, 2022 20:52:46 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

No, their digusting treatment of a television producer does. Read the quote above.

Is that a reliable quote though? And surely it is right to interview him and challenge what he said in the past?

People making death threats or participating in hate speech should not be given a platform or entertained in any manner, and those who think they should are complicit in their crimes.

Shame on you Rani.

I thought you were better than that.

Now I suggest you hand write a long grovelling personal apology to every single one of JNT's relatives who will be personally distraught to read your platforming approval of hate speech directed toward their much missed and lamented family member.

[mistressrani]

Jan 26, 2022 5:32:26 GMT RobFilth said:

Jan 25, 2022 23:07:07 GMT mistressrani said:

Is that a reliable quote though? And surely it is right to interview him and challenge what he said in the past?

People making death threats or participating in hate speech should not be given a platform or entertained in any manner, and those who think they should are complicit in their crimes.

Shame on you Rani.

I thought you were better than that.

Now I suggest you hand write a long grovelling personal apology to every single one of JNT's relatives who will be personally distraught to read your platforming approval of hate speech directed toward their much missed and lamented family member.

I don't see a death threat in that quote. Telling someone to go and die isn't the same as wanting someone to kill them.  It is nasty and unpleasant but not a death threat.  Following on from that are you saying that anyone who says anything offensive, nasty or unpleasant should be no-platformed?  Do you oppose free speech.

[Bernard Marx]

Jan 25, 2022 23:07:07 GMT mistressrani said:

Jan 25, 2022 20:52:46 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

No, their digusting treatment of a television producer does. Read the quote above.

Is that a reliable quote though? 

Here's the full quote, as taken from his IMDb quote page:

[on his contempt for Doctor Who (1963) and its producer, John Nathan-Turner] I wanted him to fokk off and solve it - or die, really. But it had probably gone beyond solving. The only way of resuscitating it would have been to put a new producer on it - but we didn't want to resuscitate it.

Conveniently, this is the only other quote next to it:

 Norman Tebbit came to dinner one night on the sixth floor of the BBC and we were all summoned, heads of department, and he sort of shot us throughout dinner saying, "So, what was the last right-wing programme you made?" And of course nobody had an answer at all. My best chance was a programme called Howards' Way (1985), which I tried to persuade him was a pro-Thatcherite drama, and I didn't get very far really.

Doesn't that just say it all? Most of the changes in televisual policy at the time were done to appease right-wing Tory twats, and Doctor Who was itself a casualty of the BBC's "New Broom" mentality at the time. Grade himself embodied that, and is now a Tory peer in the House of Lords.

Therefore, by condoning their behaviour, you are also condoning the ever-increasing influence of Thatcherite executives within the BBC, Rani.

Jan 25, 2022 23:07:07 GMT mistressrani said:

And surely it is right to interview him and challenge what he said in the past?

Do you reckon he or Grade will be challenged? I doubt Grade's opinions will be held under particular scrutiny within these extras, somehow...

[cyberhat]

There's a very easy answer to Tebbit, The News.

Jan 26, 2022 10:54:51 GMT Bernard Marx said:

 Norman Tebbit came to dinner one night on the sixth floor of the BBC and we were all summoned, heads of department, and he sort of shot us throughout dinner saying, "So, what was the last right-wing programme you made?" And of course nobody had an answer at all. My best chance was a programme called Howards' Way (1985), which I tried to persuade him was a pro-Thatcherite drama, and I didn't get very far really.

[RobFilth]

Jan 26, 2022 10:29:04 GMT mistressrani said:

I don't see a death threat in that quote. Telling someone to go and die isn't the same as wanting someone to kill them.  It is nasty and unpleasant but not a death threat.  Following on from that are you saying that anyone who says anything offensive, nasty or unpleasant should be no-platformed?  Do you oppose free speech.

Nonsense. Personally wishing death upon someone particularly from an advantage of power and after an issued order/instruction can be construde as a very palpable and considered death threat.

You are an apologist for hate speech, but I wouldn't expect anything less from a bullying Red Tory supporter.

I dunno why you don't just vote for the Blue Tory real deal instead like the person you are being an apologist for does, instead of supporting pretend pseudo oppositions who have identical policies.

[mistressrani]

Jan 27, 2022 10:38:11 GMT RobFilth said:

Jan 26, 2022 10:29:04 GMT mistressrani said:

I don't see a death threat in that quote. Telling someone to go and die isn't the same as wanting someone to kill them.  It is nasty and unpleasant but not a death threat.  Following on from that are you saying that anyone who says anything offensive, nasty or unpleasant should be no-platformed?  Do you oppose free speech.

Nonsense. Personally wishing death upon someone particularly from an advantage of power and after an issued order/instruction can be construde as a very palpable and considered death threat.

You are an apologist for hate speech, but I wouldn't expect anything less from a bullying Red Tory supporter.

I dunno why you don't just vote for the Blue Tory real deal instead like the person you are being an apologist for does, instead of supporting pretend pseudo oppositions who have identical policies.

Nonsense.  There is no death threat there, just a nasty, mean spirited comment.  Clearly you would ban any bad language and unpleasantness of any sort.  we'll start calling you Rob 'Mary' Whitehouse.

And when it comes to real deal Blue Tories, you've gone on the record preferring their election to Labour. Maybe you're not Mary but Maggie.

[RobFilth]

Jan 27, 2022 21:13:21 GMT mistressrani said:

Nonsense.  There is no death threat there, just a nasty, mean spirited comment.  Clearly you would ban any bad language and unpleasantness of any sort.  we'll start calling you Rob 'Mary' Whitehouse.

Rubbish, Grade is quite clearly engaging in illegal hate speech and should be arrested retrospectively for this dangerous radicalised behavior and put on some kind of Desistance and Disengagement de-radicalisation programme before he goes postal and starts to randomly murder people. He is obviously a risk to the whole community and platforming him is not only a completely reckless move but complicit in his crimes.

Why not go the whole hog and arm him with a semi-automatic gun and suicide vest too, seeing as you think such deeply concerning and dangerous illegal behaviour is by any measure acceptable?

I suppose Mister "freedom" Rani would platform Nazis spouting their racist hate speech as well, or maybe even paedophiles and put them on tv too? Maybe on a few childrens programmes, eh?

Then again, for a closet Tory who hides behind a pseudo red rosette, not surprising.

Jan 27, 2022 21:13:21 GMT mistressrani said:

And when it comes to real deal Blue Tories, you've gone on the record preferring their election to Labour. Maybe you're not Mary but Maggie.

Nonsense, I want a Democratic eco-Socialist Government which is why I'll be voting Green. If Labour still offered those policies instead of the Tory-lite drivel they currently do then I'd vote for them because I'm not blindly tribal to political brands.

I'm one of the floating voters your rotten party of Red Tory bullies has failed to persuade.

If anyone is ensuring the continuance of Maggies consensus it's the Blairite trash with their media-bubbled dumbed down neoliberal 1990's reenactment society. They're certainly no transformative or progressive political party. Just another set of bumlicking Murdoch Tory goons.

Every bit as disingenuous and dishonest as the Johnson clown and his crooks currently in power.

[Deleted]

When is this actually coming out? It says 2030 on Amazon LOL

[Deleted]

I'm calling it now that the Season 25 trailer will be Greatest Show in the Galaxy themed.

[Bernard Marx]

Mar 29, 2022 14:59:38 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

When is this actually coming out? It says 2030 on Amazon LOL

Has it been delayed? I think the Abominable Snowmen animation is also still bereft of a release date, despite initially being set for an early 2022 release. Wonder what's going on there...

[iank]

Heard rumours that the (foreign) site that actually manufactures the Blu rays has been hit by the Kung Flu, hence delays.

[Deleted]

Found this on Amazon.

Here's his thoughts on Season 22:

"The beginning of the end of Doctor Who. To think only ten years before the show had been at its absolute zenith with Tom Baker at the helm.
This season is the beginning of the end, terrible stories, dire or none existent production values and an incredibly unlikable Doctor saddled with a moaning companion. Colin Baker was totally miscast in the role then given poor scripts and a clown costume to deal with he really didn't stand a chance. The two lead characters spend their entire time bickering, it's so annoying, I've seen more joy in Albert Square on Christmas Day !
The stories themselves are all weak and badly written. It's a slog to get through this season with very little to reward the viewer. The following two seasons got even worse, you'll wonder how that's possible if you ever get through this nonsense.
If like me you're a completeist then buy this, but if not then avoid at all costs !"


and then here's his thoughts on Revolution of the Daleks:

A fun enjoyable New Years special with the Doctor and her friends. A classic Doctor Who adventure with the Daleks and the return of Captain Jack. I've been a fan of the show for 50 years and it's so great to see it still on top form. Thoroughly recommend this Blu-ray , the show has never looked so good.

And Resolution:

"The best special for years. The move to New Year's Day was a master stroke.... as Christmas had been done to death.
An exciting story, great acting by all especially Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor and great special effects.
Doctor Who has always been about good over evil, right over wrong love and acceptance. It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show..... The show I've loved for over 50 years."

I love this bit: "It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show" It's fine for him to slag off Season 22, but God forbid anyone who dislike the Whittaker era. Remember, it's a show he's loved for over 50 years!  Be respectful. Idiots like this make me embarrassed to be a fan. 

[burrunjor]

Apr 26, 2022 11:03:14 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

Found this on Amazon.

Here's his thoughts on Season 22:

"The beginning of the end of Doctor Who. To think only ten years before the show had been at its absolute zenith with Tom Baker at the helm.
This season is the beginning of the end, terrible stories, dire or none existent production values and an incredibly unlikable Doctor saddled with a moaning companion. Colin Baker was totally miscast in the role then given poor scripts and a clown costume to deal with he really didn't stand a chance. The two lead characters spend their entire time bickering, it's so annoying, I've seen more joy in Albert Square on Christmas Day !
The stories themselves are all weak and badly written. It's a slog to get through this season with very little to reward the viewer. The following two seasons got even worse, you'll wonder how that's possible if you ever get through this nonsense.
If like me you're a completeist then buy this, but if not then avoid at all costs !"


and then here's his thoughts on Revolution of the Daleks:

A fun enjoyable New Years special with the Doctor and her friends. A classic Doctor Who adventure with the Daleks and the return of Captain Jack. I've been a fan of the show for 50 years and it's so great to see it still on top form. Thoroughly recommend this Blu-ray , the show has never looked so good.

And Resolution:

"The best special for years. The move to New Year's Day was a master stroke.... as Christmas had been done to death.
An exciting story, great acting by all especially Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor and great special effects.
Doctor Who has always been about good over evil, right over wrong love and acceptance. It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show..... The show I've loved for over 50 years."

I love this bit: "It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show" It's fine for him to slag off Season 22, but God forbid anyone who dislike the Whittaker era. Remember, it's a show he's loved for over 50 years!  Be respectful. Idiots like this make me embarrassed to be a fan. 

Who is this guy?

I won't judge him personally outside of his DW opinions as obvs I don't know him, but oh dear god in regards to DW does he sound like the epitome of the self loathing fanboy who holds Colin Baker in low regard because "eeeek they cancelled the show in the 80s and some snobby comedians made fun of it on panel shows made by wankers for wankers, so that means everything done in late 80s Who has to be awful and not what the public wants." And who praises and worships RTD because "Eeeeeeek he made DW something that here today, gone tomorrow celebs like McFly, Anne Robinson and shallow wankers and shills in the media thought was keeeeewwwwwwl and even though it's now been about ten years since Who occupied that shallow slot, I'm so far in the RTD/Moffat Fitzroy cult I'll still delude myself into thinking it is the most popular show ever made." 

Maybe I'm generalising LOL, but these middle aged classic fans who can't get over the wilderness period are actually worse than the fans who came to it with RTD. They are not only often the most unreasonable and aggressive and pride themselves on being "true fans" (compare Nullain with Claudia Boleyn for instance, or even that fangirl I talked with the other day about Freema to Loonyboyx.) But they are the real sell outs too. 

It doesn't bug me if a twenty something fangirl who thinks Tennant and Simm were cute, ships the Master and the Doctor. Of course she will, the DW she has seen is designed for that. These gits who grew up with Delgado who say "Missy is the best Master. The only one to properly get the character since Delgado" And who actually do fan art with Jodie coming after Hartnell. To use a line from True Who itself. "YOU ARE THE SUPREME TRAITOR!"

[Deleted]

Apr 26, 2022 11:26:16 GMT burrunjor said:

Apr 26, 2022 11:03:14 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

Found this on Amazon.

Here's his thoughts on Season 22:

"The beginning of the end of Doctor Who. To think only ten years before the show had been at its absolute zenith with Tom Baker at the helm.
This season is the beginning of the end, terrible stories, dire or none existent production values and an incredibly unlikable Doctor saddled with a moaning companion. Colin Baker was totally miscast in the role then given poor scripts and a clown costume to deal with he really didn't stand a chance. The two lead characters spend their entire time bickering, it's so annoying, I've seen more joy in Albert Square on Christmas Day !
The stories themselves are all weak and badly written. It's a slog to get through this season with very little to reward the viewer. The following two seasons got even worse, you'll wonder how that's possible if you ever get through this nonsense.
If like me you're a completeist then buy this, but if not then avoid at all costs !"


and then here's his thoughts on Revolution of the Daleks:

A fun enjoyable New Years special with the Doctor and her friends. A classic Doctor Who adventure with the Daleks and the return of Captain Jack. I've been a fan of the show for 50 years and it's so great to see it still on top form. Thoroughly recommend this Blu-ray , the show has never looked so good.

And Resolution:

"The best special for years. The move to New Year's Day was a master stroke.... as Christmas had been done to death.
An exciting story, great acting by all especially Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor and great special effects.
Doctor Who has always been about good over evil, right over wrong love and acceptance. It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show..... The show I've loved for over 50 years."

I love this bit: "It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show" It's fine for him to slag off Season 22, but God forbid anyone who dislike the Whittaker era. Remember, it's a show he's loved for over 50 years!  Be respectful. Idiots like this make me embarrassed to be a fan. 

Who is this guy?

I won't judge him personally outside of his DW opinions as obvs I don't know him, but oh dear god in regards to DW does he sound like the epitome of the self loathing fanboy who holds Colin Baker in low regard because "eeeek they cancelled the show in the 80s and some snobby comedians made fun of it on panel shows made by wankers for wankers, so that means everything done in late 80s Who has to be awful and not what the public wants." And who praises and worships RTD because "Eeeeeeek he made DW something that here today, gone tomorrow celebs like McFly, Anne Robinson and shallow wankers and shills in the media thought was keeeeewwwwwwl and even though it's now been about ten years since Who occupied that shallow slot, I'm so far in the RTD/Moffat Fitzroy cult I'll still delude myself into thinking it is the most popular show ever made." 

Maybe I'm generalising LOL, but these middle aged classic fans who can't get over the wilderness period are actually worse than the fans who came to it with RTD. They are not only often the most unreasonable and aggressive and pride themselves on being "true fans" (compare Nullain with Claudia Boleyn for instance, or even that fangirl I talked with the other day about Freema to Loonyboyx.) But they are the real sell outs too. 

It doesn't bug me if a twenty something fangirl who thinks Tennant and Simm were cute, ships the Master and the Doctor. Of course she will, the DW she has seen is designed for that. These gits who grew up with Delgado who say "Missy is the best Master. The only one to properly get the character since Delgado" And who actually do fan art with Jodie coming after Hartnell. To use a line from True Who itself. "YOU ARE THE SUPREME TRAITOR!"

Some muppet on Amazon. I noticed that the Season 22 boxset had a couple of one stars. His review was by far the silliest. I was curious to see if he'd reviewed anything else related to Doctor Who and saw him give two five star ratings to Whittaker era DVDs. He goes on about "so called fans projecting hate towards the show" yet ticks all the boxes when it comes to being a JNT era basher i.e. Hinchcliffe era was the best, the beginning of the end of Doctor Who, Colin was miscast and given poor scripts etc etc. It's just the same old tosh I've heard time and time again. 

[burrunjor]

Apr 26, 2022 11:26:16 GMT burrunjor said:

Apr 26, 2022 11:03:14 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

Found this on Amazon.

Here's his thoughts on Season 22:

"The beginning of the end of Doctor Who. To think only ten years before the show had been at its absolute zenith with Tom Baker at the helm.
This season is the beginning of the end, terrible stories, dire or none existent production values and an incredibly unlikable Doctor saddled with a moaning companion. Colin Baker was totally miscast in the role then given poor scripts and a clown costume to deal with he really didn't stand a chance. The two lead characters spend their entire time bickering, it's so annoying, I've seen more joy in Albert Square on Christmas Day !
The stories themselves are all weak and badly written. It's a slog to get through this season with very little to reward the viewer. The following two seasons got even worse, you'll wonder how that's possible if you ever get through this nonsense.
If like me you're a completeist then buy this, but if not then avoid at all costs !"


and then here's his thoughts on Revolution of the Daleks:

A fun enjoyable New Years special with the Doctor and her friends. A classic Doctor Who adventure with the Daleks and the return of Captain Jack. I've been a fan of the show for 50 years and it's so great to see it still on top form. Thoroughly recommend this Blu-ray , the show has never looked so good.

And Resolution:

"The best special for years. The move to New Year's Day was a master stroke.... as Christmas had been done to death.
An exciting story, great acting by all especially Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor and great special effects.
Doctor Who has always been about good over evil, right over wrong love and acceptance. It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show..... The show I've loved for over 50 years."

I love this bit: "It's just a shame that so called fans are projecting such hate towards the show" It's fine for him to slag off Season 22, but God forbid anyone who dislike the Whittaker era. Remember, it's a show he's loved for over 50 years!  Be respectful. Idiots like this make me embarrassed to be a fan. 

Who is this guy?

I won't judge him personally outside of his DW opinions as obvs I don't know him, but oh dear god in regards to DW does he sound like the epitome of the self loathing fanboy who holds Colin Baker in low regard because "eeeek they cancelled the show in the 80s and some snobby comedians made fun of it on panel shows made by wankers for wankers, so that means everything done in late 80s Who has to be awful and not what the public wants." And who praises and worships RTD because "Eeeeeeek he made DW something that here today, gone tomorrow celebs like McFly, Anne Robinson and shallow wankers and shills in the media thought was keeeeewwwwwwl and even though it's now been about ten years since Who occupied that shallow slot, I'm so far in the RTD/Moffat Fitzroy cult I'll still delude myself into thinking it is the most popular show ever made." 

Maybe I'm generalising LOL, but these middle aged classic fans who can't get over the wilderness period are actually worse than the fans who came to it with RTD. They are not only often the most unreasonable and aggressive and pride themselves on being "true fans" (compare Nullain with Claudia Boleyn for instance, or even that fangirl I talked with the other day about Freema to Loonyboyx.) But they are the real sell outs too. 

It doesn't bug me if a twenty something fangirl who thinks Tennant and Simm were cute, ships the Master and the Doctor. Of course she will, the DW she has seen is designed for that. These gits who grew up with Delgado who say "Missy is the best Master. The only one to properly get the character since Delgado" And who actually do fan art with Jodie coming after Hartnell. To use a line from True Who itself. "YOU ARE THE SUPREME TRAITOR!"

To be honest I can see why Hinchcliff praise bugs you in this respect. A lot of these fans IMO only like the Hinchcliff era the best because it was the most popular with viewers. As it is I would rate it as one of the best and it is a good era, but seriously how can these people honestly think that Jodie holds up with the Hinchcliff era, that Missy is like Delgado? Forget taste, this is objective. Even if you like Jodie, to pretend that it's more like DW than the 80s is absurd. What Vengeance on Varos and Revelation of the Daleks are less like something from Hinchcliff's time than say Rosa?

I'd say that the Hinchcliff era does have rivals too among the classic era for what is the best. Early Hartnell era is arguably more creative. Early Pertwee era is the show at its most gritty and frightening in some respects. Late McCoy era is the perfect balance of sci fi and fantasy. Finally the mid Troughton era is at its most dan daresque fun. Hinchcliff era does treat it more seriously than any other and was the darkest, but I feel they only praise it for its popularity as how else do they legitimately say that Jodie carries it on better than Colin Baker?