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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 17:24:50 GMT
They never learn, do they?
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Post by zarius on Jul 25, 2021 18:20:56 GMT
According to Chris, the whole series is one story much like 'Trial'
Open Air revival when?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 18:43:49 GMT
According to Chris, the whole series is one story much like 'Trial' Open Air revival when? Yeah because that worked so well before... |
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Post by iank on Jul 25, 2021 21:14:26 GMT
lols What? Why would you want to emulate the single worst season of classic?
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Post by mott1 on Jul 25, 2021 21:28:53 GMT
I've read today, when they interviewed the 3 leads, the showrunners intended to have cliffhangers in season 13 because they're a really new concept...!?
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Post by iank on Jul 25, 2021 21:36:34 GMT
The sad thing, mott, is that I can completely believe it.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jul 26, 2021 7:49:09 GMT
They never learn, do they? That looks bloody terrible. Jump cuts of idiotic gags and appalling CGI galore. Are they allegedly rehashing Trial of a Time Lord too in terms of rendering the season one continuous story? That season might be flawed, but I guarantee you it'll be leagues ahead of this in quality. |
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Post by mott1 on Jul 26, 2021 9:09:18 GMT
The sad thing, mott, is that I can completely believe it. Brilliant, isn't it? Emulating a season which required fans with long attention spans - but in this case aimed at fans with the shortest possible! Apparently The Swarm are a major part of this season. How appropriate they're named after arguably Michael Caine's worst film! |
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Post by burrunjor on Jul 26, 2021 9:53:41 GMT
Jesus Christ the Swarm? Why take from the one of the weakest most forgettable stories? I think it's pretty lame to bring back a one off villain from the classic era as the villain for a whole series, but to do it with one that nobody even remembers?
How the f*ck do these hacks justify not bringing back The Rani and Romana now with their bullshit of "nobody remembers those two villains?"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 15:42:56 GMT
lols What? Why would you want to emulate the single worst season of classic? And in Orphan 55 they did a "Mysterious Planet" reveal of Earth. Chibnall has become Trial's biggest fan lol The sad thing is that there's no McCoy or Cartmel on the horizon this time. Nothing can save it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 15:46:20 GMT
Capaldi's stuff is looking pretty sweet at the moment. Both are shit obviously, but even then there's a massive gulf in quality between the two.
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Post by burrunjor on Jul 26, 2021 16:14:38 GMT
Capaldi's stuff is looking pretty sweet at the moment. Both are shit obviously, but even then there's a massive gulf in quality between the two. IThat is EXACTLY why Moff chose Chinballs. It's ironically like I Claudius (I say ironic because that is apparently Moff's favourite show and one he used to sneeringly say DW was laughable compared too.) Look at it this way. In I Claudius we follow a dramatised history of the first 4 Roman Emperor's lives. The idea of the emperor where one person ruled was established because the Republic (where several different people ruled) threatened to tear Rome apart because there was too much infighting. Augustus establishes himself as the emperor to unite everyone. Augustus does a good job of ruling from a practical point of few, but he is far from perfect and makes many, many stupid mistakes and is arrogant. Nevertheless after his death he is seen as the perfect emperor. Tiberius is chosen to succeed him. Tiberius is a good general prior to becoming Emperor, and so everyone thinks that he will do a good job. He is awful however, desperate to be liked, paranoid, and arrogant. By the end of his reign he knows how hated he is and so he chooses Caligula, who is already a murdering sociopath to succeed him. He even says that he hopes people will say "well Tiberius wasn't so bad." Compared to Caligula. Sure enough Caligula is the worst of them all. He goes even more insane, believes he is a god, marries, impregnates and then kills his sister (and eats the fetus from her stomach.) He also makes his horse the senator and drags Rome down into a reign of terror. Eventually he is murdered by his own men, and Claudius is chosen. Despite being against the concept of the Emperor as he believes that one man shouldn't have the power, Claudius finally does a good job of running Rome through a bad system. It's exactly the same as Doctor Who LOL. We have the script editor/producer system of Old Who where multiple people run the show which worked for a long while. However like the Republic it was split apart by a civil war. (Saward vs JNT.) So RTD brought in a system where one guy has all the power. (Showrunner/Emperor) RTD did a good job like Augustus from a practical point of view, he made it popular, wrote some reasonable stories, but he was flawed and in both cases history looks on Augustus and RTD more favourably than it should. Moff meanwhile is Tiberius in that he was a good writer/general before and everybody thought he'd do well, but in both cases he was a total disaster when running it. Like Tiberius he was insecure and desperate to be liked. Also just as Tiberius listened to the wrong people (Sejanus who had his own ends) then so did Moff, listening to the feminists. Also just as Tiberius sent away so many people who questioned him to an island, then Moff fired all of his producers (like the one he screamed at YOU ARE ERASED FROM DW.) By the end of his sad era, Moff realised that he was going down as the worst, so he chooses Chinballs to take over because he knows he will be even more shit and make people think "God I miss Moffat." Chibnall is the Caligula. Like Caligula he had a proven track record of being shitty before with Cyberwoman. Casting Jodie meanwhile was like Caligula making his horse the senator, whilst Jo Martin as the Doctor was like Caligula saying he is a good. The Timeless Children was him eating the fetus. (Also another comparison is that Caligula had idiots around him who thought they could use Caligula for their own ends, and kissed up to him. Actually came out with crap like it's good to have an emperor who thinks he is a god, same way you get suck ups and shills like Mr Tardis who argue that Chinballs is great for DW.) The only difference is that from the looks of things we won't have a Claudius. Chinballs damaged it so much, we just cut straight to Nero, Claudius' successor who burned Rome LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 18:40:39 GMT
Well, that might just be one of the worst trailers I’ve ever seen. No exciting or dramatic scenes, nothing genuinely funny, not a single bloody thing to entice any person to watch. All that makes me think is this season’s production was so dire they really have nothing to show, and if they do it’s so little they dare not waste it here.
It seems to me that Chibbs is either very deluded or more likely activity trying to destroy the show. A single season long story can work, Trial might have worked if not for the nightmare going on behind scenes, but it requires the right person to write such an epic and nuwho has had none I would trust to do that. Also the classic series at least had other story I build it’s season long stories around, both in Key to Time and Trial, with mixed success. Chibbs is going to drag out a single story for too long. That’s the worse idea I’ve ever heard.
As for the Swarm, I never saw the invisible enemy though I did look them up on a wiki once. An interesting villain from an average story in my eyes but far from a classic. WTF is old chinballs thinking? Dose he realise this invalidates all his bollocks about people not knowing who classic who characters were?
f*cking dire shite if I ever saw it.
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Post by iank on Jul 26, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
The Swarm? For real?
How random.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jul 26, 2021 21:39:07 GMT
The Swarm? For real? How random. Not gonna lie, I forgot what the Swarm actually was until I jolted my memory. And I've seen the Invisible Enemy three times.  Who will be the central villain of Chibnall's next season then? The Myrka? The Bandrils? The Voord? Eh- I guess they ARE memorable for the wrong reasons (even if I like Keys of Marinus despite recognising its problems), although most of the general public wouldn't have a clue who they were. Moffat's spurious reasoning for not including the Rani on the grounds that she "wasn't memorable enough" now looks even more moronic, even if the choice to include the Swarm is inherently odd. |
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