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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 25, 2024 10:47:49 GMT
Two Season 13 classics both directed by Douglas Camfield and written by Robert Banks Stewart. Which one is the best for you? I'm actually going to say Terror of the Zygons simply because I find the atmosphere more chilling and the Zygons a much more memorable enemy (though Chase in Seeds is awesome.)
I do like Seeds however which is my second favourite of the season.
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 25, 2024 11:08:50 GMT
It's funny as both are fairly unoriginal, bland ideas on paper, but work because of how amazing the script is, the atmosphere, the acting, the direction, the music and the practical effects. You don't always have to be original.
Overall the Zygons are better monsters. Their designs are far more unique, the Scottish setting fits them perfectly like the bit about Tulloch Moor, and the fact that they can look like us when killing people adds a greater element of horror.
However Seeds overall is much better. It's action is more spectacular (Tom is a serious badass in it.) It also has a much better supporting cast. No disrespect to the actors in Zygons who all put in great performances, but I think the Seeds characters are more interesting. Also as far as horror goes you really can't top Seeds with Chase's machine arguably exceeding what a lot of British horror movies were doing at that time.
Zygons is probably an 8/10 story, Seeds is an 11/10.
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 25, 2024 13:05:50 GMT
Seeds for me too.
I love both, but Seeds is one of the best ever, not just best of the season or one of the best of Tom even.
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Post by rushy on Jun 25, 2024 13:16:44 GMT
Zygons is a good Hinchcliffe-ication of the Pertwee formula.
Seeds is an epic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 17:34:17 GMT
Season 13 forms such a perfect whole that I'm unable to vote on individual episode quality. They're all lightning in a bottle
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Post by rushy on Jun 25, 2024 17:38:39 GMT
I'd say Planet of Evil is a bit of a dip in quality. I didn't really care for that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 17:41:12 GMT
4 classic stories, 1 good story, 1 middling story. That's probably the best record of any classic Who season.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 25, 2024 21:03:47 GMT
13 is my least favourite Hinchcliffe season bookended by two Camfield bangers.
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Post by iank on Jun 25, 2024 22:01:21 GMT
Love Zygons but I do think Seeds just edges it.
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 26, 2024 1:10:57 GMT
4 classic stories, 1 good story, 1 middling story. That's probably the best record of any classic Who season. Yep. Planet of Evil being the middling one, and Android being the good one, IMO. The other 4 are the classics. |
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 26, 2024 1:14:29 GMT
13 is my least favourite Hinchcliffe season bookended by two Camfield bangers. For me it's: 13 12 14 |
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Post by iank on Jun 26, 2024 1:49:29 GMT
14
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Not a fab of either Android or Morbius.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 26, 2024 7:21:27 GMT
13 is my least favourite Hinchcliffe season bookended by two Camfield bangers. For me it's: 13 12 14 Interesting. Mine goes 14, 12, 13. |
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 26, 2024 8:17:49 GMT
Interesting. Mine goes 14, 12, 13. I know you and Ian are big on 14, and I love Robots and Talons too. Especially Robots. I like Face of Evil and Deadly Assasin a lot too, but they're a step down on Talons and Robots, whilst I find Hand of Fear a bit weak after the first two eps, and Masque would be my weakest Hinchcliffe story of all. In fact I'd put Fang Rock, Fendal, and Sunmakers above most of S14 except for Robots and Talons, and maybe Deadly Assassin. |
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Post by iank on Jun 26, 2024 8:58:54 GMT
I find Hand a bit weak too but I think Masque is hugely underrated.
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